A contructive apprasel of Alb RVR performance post 1.60

[censi]

Well It was about time we held our annual JER where we perform a review of your performance so far.

This is more to tell us where we are going wrong rather than pick holes in your performance.

Just a small post to comment on Albion RVR capabilities post 1.60.

It seems to me now albion have the potential to put togther some of the most deadly RVR groups in DAOC.

I was talking to a m8 on the US servers and there guild is the highest RP earners on the server. Over there albion seem to do well in FG v FG. Same for most servers. However on Excalibur albion seem to still shy away from FG roaming, and I am not seeing much pwning.

Gonna resist the urge to talk about the Z word. But how are albion finding your 1.60 changes. Do you still feel that even with a balanced group, you cannot compete with hibernia or midgard still? Or is the problem still that its hard to make your balanced grps? Whats changes would make albion competetive with the other 2 realms and mean you could start FG rvr finally after 2 years of DAOC?

 

[zlair]

Stop crap talking like this!

NOT TRUE!

Dont get the attention of the Nerf ppl!

Albion is STILL gimped!

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by zlair
Stop crap talking like this!

NOT TRUE!

Dont get the attention of the Nerf ppl!

Albion is STILL gimped!

no its not, its albs themselves who are gimped, not the realm :>

 

[-yoda-]

if you still think there is no guilds/people running around looking for fg vs fg action , then im sure you need to get out to rvr more often cos i see albs runing in FG'S reguler ,,, or maybe u dont get to see the fg cos those that travel in zerg kill you b4 you have a chance to see them ? but they are out there . especially in odins ,

as for making albs viable in rvr only thiong i can think of is sumin we been saying since the start ,,, give us INSTA CC bolt range mezz is NO good if enemy hits u from the side/back , sure you might say have peeps pan cam angles ,, but by time the person with cam angle spots u , and types in group chat.. your insta cc grps are well in range to pop us off with ya insta mezz chant IMO isnt v good "doesnt seemed to of helped me much anyways" ,,,, give alb insta cc and maybe put some more grp needed skill in more usefull spec lines a n im sure alb coul and would givemids and hibs a run for there money everytime ,

thereis a reason why nearly EVERY albion server sruggles in rvr "unless huge zergs population" and thats insta cc plain and simple

 

[censi]

ok yoda, some good points there chief.

 

[Arnor]

alb guilds that run in fg's..... hmmm....FC, and...uhhmm.... Brethren...and...?

 

[froler-mid]

last i heard was 2fg+ is standard on excal now.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
no its not, its albs themselves who are gimped, not the realm :>

Explain why pls.

 

[Qte Eth]

because excal albs are lame zergers?

 

[Tigerius]

Yes Alb FGs are viable when faced with 8 opponents, sadly this isn't the case very often and that new found viability is worth little.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
because excal albs are lame zergers?

Yes, n excal hibs are l33t tacticians

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Explain why pls.

bc albion has some rpetty good classes and can be very powerfull if combined, just look at NP on MLF, they are doing good, or FC, they can be good to

 

[Novamir]

ESSENTIALS for best groups:
spec buffs+heals
base buffs
end song
pbt
resists
1min aoe mez
speed5


hib:
warden
druid
bard (although its by far the hardest to get end regen with bards than with pala/shammy)

mid:
healer
shaman
runemaster
skald

alb:
cleric
friar
paladin
theurgist
sorc
minstrel


in other words, hibs have a backbone of 3, mids have a backbone of 4, and albs have a backbone of 6.


tide turning abilities (instant activated abilities which make difference):

hib:
GP (30min)
BAoD (30min)
instant aoe mez (quite shit due to a. bards not having aoe stun, b. druids never having aoe root) (10min)

mid:
instant aoe stun (highly effective as casted 1min aoe mez can follow this) (10min)
instant aoe mez (10min)
ichor (15!! min)
perfect recovery (30min)

alb:
1875 mez (castable)
speed of sound (30min)
bunker of faith (30min)
faith healing (30min)



so basically, alb has the necessary abilities to beat other groups easily, IF they are all up. mid has the most tide turning RA/abilities readily available in groups, closely followed by hibs.

overall, mids and hibs are relatively equal - although zerks are overpowered to fuck at the moment which throws this out. mids are slightly ahead due to having the most surviveable CCers - however they lose out on high healing for pacification unlike druids/clerics.

albs are a tiny bit behind because of needing more characters for successful FG rvr essentials, and that they are less likely to have tide turning RAs ready in tight situations. this makes albs slightly more likely to lose if they are jumped.

 

[Tigerius]

Good eval there Nova, got my vote.

 

[old.Filip]

i think a FG of albs vs a FG of hibs is quite fair now ..

vs the mids i think the zerker heavy groups still got an egde in most case's vs albs ...

if the mid group got good healers it is very hard ...

but tbh i think it is to hard to make those balanced group's

in fact im thinking of quiting the game because i use to much time waiting on a mind sorc//cleric group ..

the last week i have been logging on ... waiting 1+ hour at atk emain for a group...

maybee trying with a semi balanced random group then logging of......

but for the hardcore gamers i think the albs are a playable realm now .. you just need 8 good ppl who you know will logg on ..

then about the zerg thing...

when the skill lvl of daoc is raising i think the numbers ppl bring out in rvr will keep raising... at times with the albs as front runners...

and this is mainly class issues .. sometimes 2-3 fg's has to share 1 sorc .. or in some case's cleric's ..

1fg vs 1fg albs has NO chance vs good opponetns with no AE mezz ... (plz dont bring 1 example up to counter this augement ... in 9 out of 10 figth the group with no AE mezz will loose)

allso albs need the RA's to balance out the hard figths..

and imagine the horrow to group with a new cleric and find out that he dont have BOF ...

or that he just used it vs the PBAOE hib group we just meet before...

with the chance of beening flamed to hell and back i think the alb realm is the hardest to play in rvr on the highest lvl..

midgaard is the easyest imho.. and hibs somewhere in between there ..

the exception would be figth's where ALB RA's are used ...

in those case's i think the skill involved to win is equal hard for all parts ..

this is the case from my point of view..

Filip
Minser of HB rr6,9

edit: just saw nova's post ......

i think he is rigth .... just with fewer words than i did ... NERF !!

 

[old.LandShark]

Problem with FGs roaming looking for 1fg-v-1fg action is, that, well... god, I don't know how to put this without saying "we're all zerging tossers".
For example, HB run in 1fg (seriously; we try not to zerg. If we have any more than 2fg in emain we send the rest to odins ) and meet 2fg RG. Well, obviously we're going to come back with 2fg because otherwise, no matter how un-gimped albion is (and I agree, albs should be able to be competetive with the right group setup - kudos Nova) we can't beat 2fg with 1fg. And then RG come back with 3fg.
And the milegates don't help, either - 3 seperate groups roaming around a frontier will think "hmm, let's go check out AMG...." unfortunately, that's what the other groups are thinking, so you end up with zergy MG conflicts.

 

[Karlo]

Originally posted by Arnor2
alb guilds that run in fg's..... hmmm....FC, and...uhhmm.... Brethren...and...?

Black legion now

 

[Karlo]

Novamir has hit the nail on the head with the backbone for the group, and as Ive posted before this is the main problem we have.

I would argue that CC isn't such a prob with long range mez.

My 41 mez was in a 1fg FC group other day and believe it or not I was mezzing fg of hibs before they got close enough to insta.

Insta stun is still a prob though.

I dont necassarily wanna see albs get insta CC, but id like some way to cut the backbone of an alb group and getr some proper dmg dealing classes in there.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

pr is TEH ra.

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
no its not, its albs themselves who are gimped, not the realm :>

Doesn't really have that much a meaning when it comes from someone who doesn't play Alb/Excal

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Doesn't really have that much a meaning when it comes from someone who doesn't play Alb/Excal

i used to, thank god i saw the light and went hib :|

 

[old.LandShark]

Solo scout hardly counted as playing with the realm of albion :great:

 

[Aussie-]

US albs only seen 1% of what some classes can do. they get nerfed/patch faster. while EU ppl read about it and exploit those classes to teh max , EU ppl don't have to worry about a near nerfpatch
just compare the number of r6+ zerks on US with EU..
after 1,5y MLF has 7 while standard mid groups on Excal have 2-3(?) in every group.

 

[Jiggs]

as someone who has RvR on both US and EU servers at a high(ish) level, excalibur is 100% more full on in RvR

on US you will find alot of lower rr people in epic armour and also in rvr its pretty common to be in groups with people 45+ and fighting people of those levels in return...

basically on excalibur each realm has about 3-4 guilds active in rvr with *most* of their members in SC equipment, on US servers you probably find its one per realm

in short what you know from US is rubbish, EU players have pushed the envelope of their characters alot further _in general_

i dont play on excalibur atm for one reason, everytime i log on its 90+ in emain and 30+ in odin's, pretty boring from my perspective, but i guess you zergers love it

 

[lofff]

well, what nova said.

just gotta add, albs have it easier against mids, mids have it easier against hibs, hibs have it easier against albs ;x

 

[Tranquil-]

People wearing epics you say? I think I'll roll US.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by Arnor2
alb guilds that run in fg's..... hmmm....FC, and...uhhmm.... Brethren...and...?

Legion of Darkness, though we rarely meet other fgs. Sunday we met 1fg of VGN in Odins and had nice close fight that ended as 2v2 battle at the end which they won. It didn't matter at all that we had lost, it was a fun fight and we decided to release and come straight back. However, when we caught up with them again they had grown to 2fg.

Novamir summed up the current situation perfectly. And insta-mezz should be taken out of the game completely imo.



And Sharp Thing wins this weeks DAOC Comedy Award (TM).

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman

And Sharp Thing wins this weeks DAOC Comedy Award (TM).

admit it, 70% of the albion excal player base are crap and hardly know what the alb chars can do :|

 

[Karlo]

Originally posted by lofff
albs have it easier against mids

how so?

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
admit it, 70% of the albion excal player base are crap and hardly know what the alb chars can do :|

Thats why u left Albion n rolled a FoTM chanter, coz u like hard challenges dont ya?