A combat logs guide to an (offensive) Clerics life.

[old.Nol]

I have never won a duel doesn't stop me from trying though.

Nerfing pbaoe mezz is pants in my book, but mezz is now pants, so no biggy. Bards are pretty much in the same predicament, we're healers that run fast....

 

[old.Icebreaker]

The Hero Tigerius attacked was me.My Char is full defence specced.

53 sword

60 shield + MoB 3

36 parry + MoP 1

High Resists against any kind of ranged attacks (34% spirit for example)

Thats the Reason he couldnt kill me.Iam not there to make Damage, iam there to take Damage and to interrupt everyone
with high range and Damage Output.Iam not able to kill someone in a few seconds but i can stay alive for a very long time.

You are not gimped Tigerius, you just met the wrong Hero



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Icebreaker <Celtic Fist>

 

[bf_kate]

Oh I forgot another good thing, my 686 hp heal is now on a 2 sec cast time

Sorcerers come back!

 

[Mageling]

Krs-one

Originally posted by Damini
Mageling, have another "I stole this outburst from a cool film and some other words from a rap song, but then screwed up the words and forgot I dont live in the Bronx, actually I'm sat at home in my pants playing computer games and not hanging with my homies at all" outburst and theres a distinct possibility of losing your account.

You trip over more than vanilla ice on ice, but at least his haircut was dope, back in the eighties ya fuckin poodle freak. Lose my account; ffs at least threaten me with something I remotely care about. Like fuckin’ up my mp3 player, or talking when I’m eating, which would present you to the pleasure of chewing on my plate sideways as it passes down ya narrow ass throat.

 

[old.Nol]

Tell it like it is grrlfrend!!! swing those fubu chains mofo, swing them...

 

[hotrat]

Well at least they improved healing

Was just thinking imagine if alb had a class like the healer.
Would anyone choose to play a cleric (dmg//healing//buffs) over a healer (cc//healing). Maybe a few but a lot of players who want to actually be a support class would choose the healer.
Now how about sorc, would anyone play that? Again doubtful because if they want good cc healer is the way to go, only reason to play a sorc would be if you wanted to do damage (ie not a support class).
Just look at PvP population of healers vs clerics//sorcies :/

I also agree nerfing the pbae mezz was a bad idea, they should have kept the pbae mezz and added a ranged insta mezz as well. This way the smite line is less appealing for those who want to do damage but MORE appaeling for those who actually want to SUPPORT their group.

 

[Novamir]

mageling mageling he's our man!

 

[Brinx]

.. if his own stupidity can't kill him we'll just ban

Catchy

 

[old.LandShark]

Arnor: ok, i overreacted, sorry.
But, may i ask, what was the relevance of your post? No-one has 34% slash resist, it's not physically possible to get over 29% in this game and that would be an extreme case. Compare a worst case for you of 29% slash resist, to a worst case for a cleric of 40% (not even a really bad worst case; bard chant could easily add 20% more, Avoidance of Magic RA could add 6% more for little RApt investment)....
OK, so once every half hour, a cleric can rape your damage; i still don't see how this is relevant. Tigerius never complained the hero was doing too much damage to him, merely that no class being nerfed for doing too much damage with DDs should be able, with serenity2, capped pie and acuity buffs up, to nuke itself Completely OOP and only do 20% damage to an unhealed target.


edit: Oh, and your own unique RA i agree is crap, all the RA styles are. Shame none of the melees get a useful unique RA, but I'm sure you can handle the loss once you get your 4pt purge and your 8pt IP. =)
edit2: Going to putting Novamir's avatar and brinxie's in a small pit for a fight to the death, later. Tickets £5 a piece...

 

[old.Arnor]

Thing is, yes you can have over 29% slash resist, in this patch very many can get that, and Ill tell you how: you add that 29% thats the cap, and then you add the 15% that chain/scale/plate has innate, for a grand total of 44% ^^
You have NO idea how boring it is to hit cjkace for instance for 189(-160) like I did on gorre


And im afraid I have to correct you once more

There is one unique RA for a melee class that in fact is very good:

Soldiers Barricade


But yes, it will be VERY much more bearable when I get 12Rsps in 1.53

edit: one ticket please. 5£ you say? how much is that in pubes?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
No-one has 34% slash resist, it's not physically possible to get over 29% in this game and that would be an extreme case.

Except that chain (for example) has a latent 15% slash resist, so 44% slash resist is possible. But yes, you can get over 60% spirit resist if you really wanted to, or 98% on a timer if you have the realm points

 

[old.Arnor]

btw, I have aom 2, and my cap is 32% on magic resists :\

 

[Novamir]

mine has a buffbot

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Arnor
btw, I have aom 2, and my cap is 32% on magic resists :\

26 from items, 24 from buffs, 3 from certain races, 3 per level (5 levels for 15) from AoM, 10 per level on timer (3 levels for 30) on The Empty Mind = 98. Don't think anyone is that obsessed though

But if someone wants to try that on Gorre, it might be a laugh

 

[Danya]

Racial spirit is 5%...
26+24+5+15+30 = 100%...
Roll on "You hit for 1 (-285)!"

 

[Tigerius]

Yeah Icebreaker it was you, yes you have 34% spirit resist as I said in my first post, no your defensive spec is really not on trial here.. 90% of my melee attacks failing to hit is nothing new

It's just that 34% spirit resist isn't that rare, most certainly will be more common with SC, all the more common with group resist buffs. In my mind you aren't the wrong Hero, you are the average Hero, otherwise I'd have put more direct focus on my target specifically. I'm not saying everyone has 34% but I'm saying that anyone clever and with access to good equipmment will have it easily and SHOULD have it if they are concerned with their own well being.

 

[feldeshadowbane]

Re: What was that song, ah, truth hurts.

Originally posted by Mageling

3) You are aware that Swedes military operations are the laughing stock all around the globe?

What Swedish military operations? Congo? Thats quite a few years ago (Never heard anyone complain about that operation).
Don't throw shit at something you don't know anything about.

By the way, I never said I was proud of Sweden having a history of war. I just said Sweden was not always neutral, thats all.

And neither did I say anything about myself not beeing childish. The differance between me and you though is that I do not have to use abusive language to make my points.

 

[old.LandShark]

Mid chain.
There's no longer any armor with 15% slash resistant and 27% or higher absorb...
So Mr.zerker over there will never fight anything with good hp and more than 29% slash resist, k?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Mid chain.
There's no longer any armor with 15% slash resistant and 27% or higher absorb...
So Mr.zerker over there will never fight anything with good hp and more than 29% slash resist, k?

You still have 24 hours of being resistant to slash with your minstrel

And I only have 24 hours of being vulnerable to slash
(After that I'm gonna hate hammer-zerks )

 

[dakeyras]

Re: Uhuh

Originally posted by Mageling


Dont care about Tigerius, issue was smithe clerics, he got smithed as well.

Is a smithe cleric one who sits at Caer Beno crafting?

 

[old.Arnor]

ok landshark, i concede(sp?)

you win, I loose. you are the best, im the worst etc etc etc ^^





just thought of something: plate! isnt plate resistant to slash? and they have 34 or something absorb

 

[hotrat]

What are the new dmg tables then?

cus i was hitting thorey for 120(-50) last night on gorre. He wasn't hitting me that hard either though.

Playing as hotrats ofc.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by hotrat
What are the new dmg tables then?

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/438.php

or

http://www.camelot-seer.com/handler.cfm?app=&method=weaponEffectiveness

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by hotrat
cus i was hitting thorey for 120(-50) last night on gorre. He wasn't hitting me that hard either though.

My first duel with Thorey went as follows:

You miss,
You miss,
You fumble,
You sit down and cry.

 

[kirennia]

On the original issue of smite clerics, thought i would have my say.

I myself am i humble smite/rej hybrid cleric and as others can (hopefully) vouch for, I can generally do em bout pretty well.

44smite/27rej/15enh

Let us have our journey start in emain...I will arrive and buff up all the people in the group...o but wait, half of em have buffbot's anyways, guess I ain't that needed in that respect afterall, i'll just ddo my normal baseline buffs and try sneak in a few green's in the hope they wont notice how pitiful they r compared to spec:50 enh buffbot's (and yes it is starting to get bit like that with bots and if not a bot, lets assume theres another cleric in group)
Still....all said...the joy's of buffing r almost too great.....

We run into a fg of mids/hibs whatever and a battle commences as it usually does...lets also assume mezzes land and r dispelled by mincer/sorc with a CURE ae mezz spell...I thought clerics were the healers in the land...o well

In rvr I was generally very aggressive....i would run into the heat of battle, pbae smite emm....ooh, but wait, thats been nerfed by 20% so i will hit a caster for bout 10% of his life and it wont even sctach tanks anymore....hmmm, o well, only a small aspect of my char.

Directly after this i would land my pbae mezz. O no, wait, thats been put on a high timer too so bout 70% of battles it wont b in use...damn, hmm, there goes that i guess then...i best stay back and only use in emergency for defense of the casters in the group.

Anyways, I can now stand at the back and stun the enemies to help the tanks and casters. Hold on a second, my range on stun would mean i would have to pull away from the casters leaving them defenceless from stealthers...o well, i'll just stand at the back and hope they other albs can cope with the stuns too.

As 44 spec smiter, ooh, i should b able to do some damage to help out the tanks...hold on, thats been nerfed too o well, best leave it upto the other chars to do some damage. I'll just stand back and heal...

Whats this?! after 2 heals some1 with half a brain has decided to hit me (casue yeah, credit where its due, people r tending to go for healers bit better than they used to )...melee time!!!! ooh, im damaging em...hold on, this is almost half as effective as my smite damage now, not bad for a caster. WOOHOO, SUMMIT NOT COMPLETELY CRAP!!! But ooh, here it comes....miss.....miss......miss. I'll just try and keep it up...hope I get saved by a tank. Ooh, here one comes, an alb tank is hitting the enemy trying to get it off me but.....but the other realms healer class have mezzed him....o dear : /

Time for instants woohoo, thats the end of them instas.....wasnt that really fun....


You see people, in light of my previous thoughts, I thought that a nerf wouldn't be so bad...y'know, just summit small an all. Why? Who cares, it's only a game. Ok so I wont do as much damage but I thought it would still b fun. Unfortunately looking at all points ive pointed out, it's not the case...

We had quite a bit less damage despite quarms, MUCH less all important range, much slower cast rate, No chance to critical hit, our mana pool was used up quicker and no quickcast but we didn't care. We were being called wizzies in chain purely because our damage was near a level with theurgs and cabbies and wizzies etc (theurg get bt, cabbies get pet and nearsight and wizzies get the biggest power in the game and i thought our added bonus was heal)

We got our job done and in the best, funnest way possible. For those clerics who stood there smiting 24/7, yeah, they r bad but the whole of the cleric society has been condemned for this. How many bad sorcs/fighters/wizzies have you seen yet they have not been pleaded to goa to be nerfed. As soon as a smite was let off people would jeer and tell you to stop (those who didnt know you could play your character). I had fun...I grouped with my friends, I damn well tried my best to do my job.

Well people, mids hibs but mostly albs who complained, here is your wish.

Now the smite has gone as have most of the clerics along with it...
Stun has been lessened in time...
ANOTHER mezz in alb is nerfed...
and unfortunately your thoughts that this would bring more healers into the realm is an illusion. You have merely lost the little hope for a healer you will get and a lot of good healers along with it.


In reply to those who have just read what I have put and are thinking, well a cleric should just b a healer and you can respec to that, nuff said or whatever, that isn't what I created this char to do.
I created this char to be what it was, not a completely different char that i intended it to be (imagine if your infs were suddenly left unable to spec one line....stealth for example) becasue its the most fun I've ever had with a char in a mmorgp and I knew it would b. To be a primary healer was not my intention, I just basically wanted to have fun.

Well done to all of those who have ruined that for me and many other clerics in the realm and probably will do so to other classes who they think r 'uber' without trying them first and seeing their real flaws. I will continue to play for a short will til the fun discipates as will prob most others.

Thanks :-

(Not Amused) Kir xxx

 

[Tranquil-]

plate is neutral to slash, infact all alb armour is neutral to slash in 1.52.

 

[Grandpeck]

I dont get it,u have a class that can heal and smite and buff and insta and yet u still moan that u couldnt kill someone,boo hoo indeed i wish my shammie could dot a hero/figther class for as much as u smite.Fact is that u know that smite is to powerful and many many ppl will admit that it is, but as u know no better than to smite and smite and having admitted to being a i quote/misquote evil bitch and isnt happy for not getting rps for healing u most proabaly deserve to get killed in rvr as harsh as that sounds.As for resists its pretty much tough if a target resists and it probably means u r picking the wrong target.The fact that u do so much damage in so little time is pretty amazing, many if not all other classes would have been dead to your smiting. If u would have had a group u would/could have killed them all prolly but as u didnt u were stuffed.Simple answer get a group.
The fact that u got away alive the first time would have been good enough for me,bu i quess some ppl are just greedy.

This is no flame towards u but i cant beleive u moan.
Kio lv 48 shamen (Not a buffbot) btw i do actually try to play her

 

[kirennia]

damage damage damage....thats all people seem to talk and worry bout with the smite...please read/reread my post saying bout the comparisons with the wizzie in damage...

where a wizzie would hit for 400 every 2 seconds, a cleric would hit for 300 every 4 seconds (or less if using an extremely mana heavy smite),
where a wizzies range is 1500, a clerics is 1350 (makes a big difference),
Our mana usage for smite is greater,
The critical hit wizzies rave on about hitting for 1000+1000 we never got and rightly so...most dmg i ever did was bout 450, not 2000,
The all important quickcast which admitedly would have made us way overpowered was not there.
Thats the difference with the smite spells compared to fire wizz...i dont think it was overpowered at all...

 

[Belomar]

This is highly amusing, this Mageling character must be an alias of someone "normal" on this forum who needed a way to blow off some steam. I, for one, simply cannot take his ramblings seriously.

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
I dont get it,u have a class that can heal and smite and buff and insta and yet u still moan that u couldnt kill someone,boo hoo indeed i wish my shammie could dot a hero/figther class for as much as u smite.Fact is that u know that smite is to powerful and many many ppl will admit that it is, but as u know no better than to smite and smite and having admitted to being a i quote/misquote evil bitch and isnt happy for not getting rps for healing u most proabaly deserve to get killed in rvr as harsh as that sounds.As for resists its pretty much tough if a target resists and it probably means u r picking the wrong target.The fact that u do so much damage in so little time is pretty amazing, many if not all other classes would have been dead to your smiting. If u would have had a group u would/could have killed them all prolly but as u didnt u were stuffed.Simple answer get a group.
The fact that u got away alive the first time would have been good enough for me,bu i quess some ppl are just greedy.

This is no flame towards u but i cant beleive u moan.
Kio lv 48 shamen (Not a buffbot) btw i do actually try to play her

Sorry to see you didn't grasp the irony in my quote, sorry to see you think it's an issue how I play and not my own choice.

Get a group? Wtf? Is that your answer when someone offensively specced entirely fails to kill something in spite of not being attacked?

You DO DoT for as much as I smite, but under different mechanics of course. I obviously see your problems with the DoT in that you can't chain cast on a single target to kill him, this is the tradeoff definately, but the advantage is that you can go back to performing other tasks or DoTing other targets something which I could only wish for at times.

Picking the wrong target huh? With group 24% Spirit resist buffs which exact target is the RIGHT one?

So much damage in so little time is amazing? :/ jeez. I'd say it's amazingly low, I'd say you have no idea just how much a real nuker does in the same time period or a offensive melee char for that matter. That I did so damage at all was because of my terrain advantage, I could DD from just outside guard range so noone dared to attack me in melee and noone was clever enough to attack me ranged. Most other classes would have either moved out of my range or attacked me with range back and there would have been no damage.

I should be glad to get back alive when I'm standing 4 steps outside guard aggro range? Even a cloth caster would have made it back alive from there, no sorry a cloth caster due to 150 extended range wouldn't have had to go outside guard range in the first place.

Sorry but you have no idea.