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bards are uber...
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Archeon
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Lol, always thought that warden's belonged in midgard.
afterall, they can spec weaponary, they can use bows, well you know all the cool shit you guys can do. seems awfully melee like too me.
sadly by the time i learned of all the uber things wardens could do i was a loyal middy so switching realms isn't really an option, but i could get a petition going to get warden and healers switched arround, but then i'd probably miss AE stun
i think the whole moral of this has been that
1. you can't compare any of the realms healing classes, they are all too diverse and different for any serious comparision to be made
Healers = Mainly CC
Shamans = Shit Cloud Makers
Clerics = Nukers
Friars = Hand To Hand
Wardens = PBT/Buff-Bot with a brain
Druid = Muppet With A Doggie
Bard = Skald Wanna Be, And I Hate Them For It
I'm using the extra lines classes get, not counting the mend/aug lines.
Hybrids are a mix of classes and thus shouldn't be as powerful as people that live off being able to pick a tank off at 5,000 paces. so smite clerics should expect this, at the same time if your full extra line specced then you should still be formidible in your respective right.
Oh, and one final thing...
Albion's learn some teamwork, if your realms lacking CC characters then for gods sake roll some or offer to help lvl those that are trying. RvR would be a lot more interesting for all partys i feel if there were more than 2 realms that had more or less 100% of the time AE MEZ capability
afterall, they can spec weaponary, they can use bows, well you know all the cool shit you guys can do. seems awfully melee like too me.
sadly by the time i learned of all the uber things wardens could do i was a loyal middy so switching realms isn't really an option, but i could get a petition going to get warden and healers switched arround, but then i'd probably miss AE stun
i think the whole moral of this has been that
1. you can't compare any of the realms healing classes, they are all too diverse and different for any serious comparision to be made
Healers = Mainly CC
Shamans = Shit Cloud Makers
Clerics = Nukers
Friars = Hand To Hand
Wardens = PBT/Buff-Bot with a brain
Druid = Muppet With A Doggie
Bard = Skald Wanna Be, And I Hate Them For It
I'm using the extra lines classes get, not counting the mend/aug lines.
Hybrids are a mix of classes and thus shouldn't be as powerful as people that live off being able to pick a tank off at 5,000 paces. so smite clerics should expect this, at the same time if your full extra line specced then you should still be formidible in your respective right.
Oh, and one final thing...
Albion's learn some teamwork, if your realms lacking CC characters then for gods sake roll some or offer to help lvl those that are trying. RvR would be a lot more interesting for all partys i feel if there were more than 2 realms that had more or less 100% of the time AE MEZ capability
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Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation
Here comes the don’t ruin my fun post, I could not care less what you think about yourself, or even state about yourself. If you had the same mentality back in PvE you gimped yourself and you will remain gimped in RvR.
If you want to fuckin role play while I nuke your ass out of orbit, don’t come here and fuckin whine each time you get raped. And thinking that a cleric should be able to take on a fighter (knight tank), with what potions?
No I will not accept selfish cunts that play a support class only to benefit himself (herself); then instead of healing smithes just to ask, are we dead already? No wonder albion sucks, when the pawn thinks he’s the queen on the battlefield (checkmate?).
Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation.
Here comes the don’t ruin my fun post, I could not care less what you think about yourself, or even state about yourself. If you had the same mentality back in PvE you gimped yourself and you will remain gimped in RvR.
If you want to fuckin role play while I nuke your ass out of orbit, don’t come here and fuckin whine each time you get raped. And thinking that a cleric should be able to take on a fighter (knight tank), with what potions?
No I will not accept selfish cunts that play a support class only to benefit himself (herself); then instead of healing smithes just to ask, are we dead already? No wonder albion sucks, when the pawn thinks he’s the queen on the battlefield (checkmate?).
Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation.
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Totally agree. Smite clerics/balanced clerics maybe over powered in pve. (so are some other classes but not the point). I have no problem with this. I am not talking about PvE, am talking about RvR.
That is some interesting logic. Smite (in RvR) needs to be nerfed because clerics are over powered. But smite clerics who solo don't get enough rp to make it to the top of the table. So smite makes all this dmg... but they aren't getting rp. It's crap. A smite cleric cannot solo in Emain on Excali. There is no uber smite cleric that the mids and hibs fear because smite isn't overpowered in RvR.
This is getting silly. I know the battle is lost - it doesn't make it right. Tig's whole point is that smite isn't really good now, so what's it gonna be like after the patch? I have been playing my cleric awhile - if you think smite is owning every class in large scale rvr you are kidding yourself.
Totally agree. Smite clerics/balanced clerics maybe over powered in pve. (so are some other classes but not the point). I have no problem with this. I am not talking about PvE, am talking about RvR.
That is some interesting logic. Smite (in RvR) needs to be nerfed because clerics are over powered. But smite clerics who solo don't get enough rp to make it to the top of the table. So smite makes all this dmg... but they aren't getting rp. It's crap. A smite cleric cannot solo in Emain on Excali. There is no uber smite cleric that the mids and hibs fear because smite isn't overpowered in RvR.
This is getting silly. I know the battle is lost - it doesn't make it right. Tig's whole point is that smite isn't really good now, so what's it gonna be like after the patch? I have been playing my cleric awhile - if you think smite is owning every class in large scale rvr you are kidding yourself.
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there really is fuck all u can do about ranged aoe 11sec stuns, insta mezz and insta root. WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
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Yeah I am a healer class, and you're an idiot.
((See all classes that can beat Magleing should be nerfed.)
You know nothing about the class or about me. I am actually a full rejuv cleric and I am getting nerfed along with smite clerics. Yes it was easy to group. No it wasn't easy to level up any more than any other main class. I don't think healing is boring. I think that clerics got smite instead of cc and now they are taking that away too and I am pissed off. Please come back when you have a clue.
Do people actually group with this person? I almost feel sorry for the Hibbies.
Ensceptifica - yesh am tired and stuff, meant Druid. Druid pet is the h8 of k8.
Tzeentch - The problem is that all other main healers get stuff, our stuff was smite(especially the dinky mez for me personally). If it was too powerful they shouldn't have just taken it and not given us something else to replace it. Like Hotrats said, we should have some instant ranged mez on 10 min timer or something. Also it sucks to make a char based on what you are told it is and then have that taken away.
Nerf nerfing.
Yeah I am a healer class, and you're an idiot.
((See all classes that can beat Magleing should be nerfed.)
You know nothing about the class or about me. I am actually a full rejuv cleric and I am getting nerfed along with smite clerics. Yes it was easy to group. No it wasn't easy to level up any more than any other main class. I don't think healing is boring. I think that clerics got smite instead of cc and now they are taking that away too and I am pissed off. Please come back when you have a clue.
Do people actually group with this person? I almost feel sorry for the Hibbies.
Ensceptifica - yesh am tired and stuff, meant Druid. Druid pet is the h8 of k8.
Tzeentch - The problem is that all other main healers get stuff, our stuff was smite(especially the dinky mez for me personally). If it was too powerful they shouldn't have just taken it and not given us something else to replace it. Like Hotrats said, we should have some instant ranged mez on 10 min timer or something. Also it sucks to make a char based on what you are told it is and then have that taken away.
Nerf nerfing.
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Re: Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation
The don't ruin my fun post is unavoidable in most aspects, it's what it comes down to. I've learnt to appreciate what I have, I have fun with it, I don't think it's yours or Mythics choice how I play.
I'm not very selfish, I do believe there is nothing anyone does that doesn't root in personal emotional or otherwise gain, but my choices are far from solely depending on what benefits me. I benefit from playing in a good team, both literally in terms of RP but also because it's very enjoyable to succed, being a support class allows me to fill a needed spot in a good team. I like this. Working with other class people to achieve something good feels great, if I get to do that I couldn't care less if I'm playing whack-a-mole with the Celtic pixels on screen or the health bars in the corner of it. As long as I feel I can do my job sufficiently, that I fill a function then any role works for me.
Problem is that not all teams are great, trying to support a clueless person is like being a sprinter trainer for a man in a wheelchair. It can't be a rewarding experience. Since this is a game I do believe I more or less am entitled to having rewarding experiences always, I most certainly will try. Part of this is a broad spec in a broad class that allows me to fill several vital support functions in a team, but to also have my solo duel moments, to duo with a close friend and be more than personal medic there. I'm starting to guess you are jealous, that a class that can be fun to play in so many situations simply must rock because fun = owning people. Etc. In your limited minds a support class must be full support all the time and like a well trained dog or housewife never leave your side and be independent.
The don't ruin my fun post is unavoidable in most aspects, it's what it comes down to. I've learnt to appreciate what I have, I have fun with it, I don't think it's yours or Mythics choice how I play.
I'm not very selfish, I do believe there is nothing anyone does that doesn't root in personal emotional or otherwise gain, but my choices are far from solely depending on what benefits me. I benefit from playing in a good team, both literally in terms of RP but also because it's very enjoyable to succed, being a support class allows me to fill a needed spot in a good team. I like this. Working with other class people to achieve something good feels great, if I get to do that I couldn't care less if I'm playing whack-a-mole with the Celtic pixels on screen or the health bars in the corner of it. As long as I feel I can do my job sufficiently, that I fill a function then any role works for me.
Problem is that not all teams are great, trying to support a clueless person is like being a sprinter trainer for a man in a wheelchair. It can't be a rewarding experience. Since this is a game I do believe I more or less am entitled to having rewarding experiences always, I most certainly will try. Part of this is a broad spec in a broad class that allows me to fill several vital support functions in a team, but to also have my solo duel moments, to duo with a close friend and be more than personal medic there. I'm starting to guess you are jealous, that a class that can be fun to play in so many situations simply must rock because fun = owning people. Etc. In your limited minds a support class must be full support all the time and like a well trained dog or housewife never leave your side and be independent.
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Eazy come...
2) Can’t argue with logic, getting groups does not make it easier to level, agreed.
3) My crusade started, Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation, they must be purged!!!
4) And to disrupt your pathetic comeback, worst class (to face) would be skalds. Then again they are arguably one of the best classes, and according to me very well balanced. However stealth is not. So enjoy the nerfs ‘stealthers’, because snipers and mistrels had them already. < Insert random smiley here >
5) as you seem to be the main star out of the movie clueless.
"The Cleric Smite line was re-tuned to bring this specific class/skill combination into line with other healers. The primary change was a reduction to the direct damage spells (single target and AE), which were doing the equivalent damage to a nuker direct damage spells. This was inappropriate due to offensive and defensive melee capabilities of the Cleric. The Heavenly Strike line (AE DD) now has had its radius increased to 350 at all levels, however." From 1.51 release notes.
1) I’m a god and you’re a bitch resembling a squirrel on acid. Or maybe you are just one of those who believe god is a she? Further onwards, my brave crippled mare.
2) Can’t argue with logic, getting groups does not make it easier to level, agreed.
3) My crusade started, Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation, they must be purged!!!
4) And to disrupt your pathetic comeback, worst class (to face) would be skalds. Then again they are arguably one of the best classes, and according to me very well balanced. However stealth is not. So enjoy the nerfs ‘stealthers’, because snipers and mistrels had them already. < Insert random smiley here >
5) as you seem to be the main star out of the movie clueless.
"The Cleric Smite line was re-tuned to bring this specific class/skill combination into line with other healers. The primary change was a reduction to the direct damage spells (single target and AE), which were doing the equivalent damage to a nuker direct damage spells. This was inappropriate due to offensive and defensive melee capabilities of the Cleric. The Heavenly Strike line (AE DD) now has had its radius increased to 350 at all levels, however." From 1.51 release notes.
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Tsk...
2) I know for a fact that smithe clerics are not wanted in PvE, tell me why would that change in RvR? You really do not have any real function, and what you do, others do better. Thus you’re not wanted in groups.
3) Only thing I’m jealous about is your healing capabilities, does this mean all mages should have self heal? If you don’t want to depend on other people (groups) roll a skald, mistrel with buffbot etc. Because support classes can never be better than their groups are. And however hard you want to slam that airhead against a brick wall, won’t change the fact that you in fact are, a supportive class.
And liked I said, I care fuck about selfish bitches who think their fun is what matters, lay the fuck down and swallow up already.
1) I do not care how you play neither does mythic nor goa. Just don’t come whining about it when you only play to benefit yourself.
2) I know for a fact that smithe clerics are not wanted in PvE, tell me why would that change in RvR? You really do not have any real function, and what you do, others do better. Thus you’re not wanted in groups.
3) Only thing I’m jealous about is your healing capabilities, does this mean all mages should have self heal? If you don’t want to depend on other people (groups) roll a skald, mistrel with buffbot etc. Because support classes can never be better than their groups are. And however hard you want to slam that airhead against a brick wall, won’t change the fact that you in fact are, a supportive class.
And liked I said, I care fuck about selfish bitches who think their fun is what matters, lay the fuck down and swallow up already.
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lol
this guy cracks me up
this guy cracks me up
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old.BJ|Bored
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tbh why shouldnt alb primary healing class also be its primary nuker ? *give it better dds than wiz*
after all mids primary healer class is its primary cc..
but thing is kate, every1 loves to get alb nerfed
it'll be my speedsong next as i can run at same speed as mids/hibs it'll be cut by 20%
after all mids primary healer class is its primary cc..
but thing is kate, every1 loves to get alb nerfed
it'll be my speedsong next as i can run at same speed as mids/hibs it'll be cut by 20%
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mageling u sir are a fool
btw the top 3 clerics on excal unless im mistaken 2 of them are full juve might even be all 3 i only know #1+3 are juve
chesnor a cleric will STRUGGLE to kill a Orange con if it has NO vunerability to smite dmge . granted yes if Oj gives us a +dmge we own them . how many other chars can kill oranges ? cabalists can kill reds so can theurgs . pallys/mincers/sorcs can kill oranges does that make them overpowered? ive also read in numerous threads chanters can solo purps!! before you call smiters overpowered i suggest u look at what other classes can do in pve before u start flaming .
as for clerics solo in emain LMFAO when was last time u saw a cleric solo in rvr and actually be so uber they farmed the rp's ?
name one smite cleric you are scared of !
how can u say clerics are only Healers ? if mythic wanted clerics to just heal they woulndt of gave them SMITE spec line ! hence giving them smite allowed the cleric to CHOOSE wether he wanted to be offensive or defensive . as for mythic nerfing clerics to bring them inline with other realms healers LMAO wheres clerics ae insta mezz/stun ? wheres cleric ranged ae root and pet ? its just fags that whinge about being killed by a cleric that got the cleric nerfed not the char itself .
btw the top 3 clerics on excal unless im mistaken 2 of them are full juve
might even be all 3 i only know #1+3 are juve chesnor a cleric will STRUGGLE to kill a Orange con if it has NO vunerability to smite dmge . granted yes if Oj gives us a +dmge we own them . how many other chars can kill oranges ? cabalists can kill reds so can theurgs . pallys/mincers/sorcs can kill oranges does that make them overpowered? ive also read in numerous threads chanters can solo purps!! before you call smiters overpowered i suggest u look at what other classes can do in pve before u start flaming .
as for clerics solo in emain LMFAO when was last time u saw a cleric solo in rvr and actually be so uber they farmed the rp's ?
name one smite cleric you are scared of !
how can u say clerics are only Healers ? if mythic wanted clerics to just heal they woulndt of gave them SMITE spec line ! hence giving them smite allowed the cleric to CHOOSE wether he wanted to be offensive or defensive . as for mythic nerfing clerics to bring them inline with other realms healers LMAO wheres clerics ae insta mezz/stun ? wheres cleric ranged ae root and pet ? its just fags that whinge about being killed by a cleric that got the cleric nerfed not the char itself .
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I stated that I could solo orange, and I can. The other classes you say can solo are pet classes. Pet classes can solo above yellow cons by design, because the the exp hit they take for using pets. Mincers cannot solo orange without pets. Paladins are an exception, being arguably the best PvE tank in the game. Shame they don't carry that over into RvR. Smiters pre-nerf are an fantastic though, a fantastic PvE soloer, a fantastic PvE group char, a fantastic RvR soloer (compared to all other realms healer classes) and a fantastic RVR group char (just for the heals, res). Smiters had it all, had too much in fact. Please remember, smite has'nt been totally removed. It has recieved a 20%ish dmg reduction and pbaoemezz timer increased to 5min. So they still retain some good offense if they choose to spec smite. Better offense than every other healing class in the game (except maybe their colleagues the friar) and still they moan. Smite has been nerfed, not gimped.
One last point, ACeltHero in Tigerius' post. How much spirirt resist did he have? How easy is spirit resist to load up on? Why would a class choose spirit resist over any other resist? Looking at the xxx(-yyy) figuers, without resist that is unbelievable damage output, and unbelievable resist. Perhaps instead of whining about smite not being overpowered, you might want to point out that spirit resist is too easy to come by? I dunno, just a thought.
One last point, ACeltHero in Tigerius' post. How much spirirt resist did he have? How easy is spirit resist to load up on? Why would a class choose spirit resist over any other resist? Looking at the xxx(-yyy) figuers, without resist that is unbelievable damage output, and unbelievable resist. Perhaps instead of whining about smite not being overpowered, you might want to point out that spirit resist is too easy to come by? I dunno, just a thought.
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Re: Albion= All Lame Bitches In One Nation
Havent seen you around in albion so not all lame bitches can be there.
Havent seen you around in albion so not all lame bitches can be there.
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Re: Tsk...
That havent any sense:first at all every realms have hibrid classes and to have a character good in PvE dosent have any link whit RvR stuff;second a 23 reiv/48 smite (the most common smiter template) whit enought rp to get MCL and Serenity (rr2-3) can do quite good in a PvE group also as main healer.
And that is the only thing you said witch worth a reply...
the rest is shit:bullshit sentences and delirious flames against clerics,albion ,females (omg Kate you are all that at same time!!!).
I would say you are an ashole,but no you are simply ridiculous.
Mageling: probably recently sodomized by a smiter cleric.
That havent any sense:first at all every realms have hibrid classes and to have a character good in PvE dosent have any link whit RvR stuff;second a 23 reiv/48 smite (the most common smiter template) whit enought rp to get MCL and Serenity (rr2-3) can do quite good in a PvE group also as main healer.
And that is the only thing you said witch worth a reply...
the rest is shit:bullshit sentences and delirious flames against clerics,albion ,females (omg Kate you are all that at same time!!!
).I would say you are an ashole,but no you are simply ridiculous.
Mageling: probably recently sodomized by a smiter cleric.
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having played a smite cleric to 50 and not thinking they was overpowered and now playing a runie and seeing my baseline runie nuke doesnt even come close to my smite spell greater holy fury it was quite funny, considering that the cleric also has chain/semi decent melee, 20 second insta dd for about 140 a time, pbaoe mezz, stun and a dam hard nuking smite, i smited for 450 average and used to stand outside atk pretending to be afk waiting for stealthers to perf me, mezz>stun>nukex3>wash and rinse.
I do think smite needed nerfing but not the mezz as thats a clerics defence.
I do think smite needed nerfing but not the mezz as thats a clerics defence.
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Just fyi,
The dps on smite dds works out at around 75% of a cloth nuker today.
(that's before you consider shorter range, no crits, much less power efficiency, much smaller power pools and no quickcast)
I guess this is the tradeoff for wearing chain and having lots of HPs. Shamens get shafted in a similar way with DoTs, their 4 tick dots do 66% of the damage of a cloth caster 6 tick dot. I'm sure healers get some similar weakness in some line, though it is, admittedly, difficult to spot it amoungst their joint best buffs, joint best heals, and outright best cc in the game .
The only other smite spell anyone ever casts in RvR is pbaoemez, which never works anyway, but has a pretty effect.
The nerf reduces the dd dps it to 60%ish of a cloth caster.
/shrug
The nerf was obviously unsustainable on balance grounds - but everyone with even basic arithimetic skills knew that at the time.
Mythic claim the reason smite has been removed in 1.51 was that it was only intended as a pve pulling spell so that we sould use our uber melee skill to solo (I kid you not).
Personally I suspect it was in fact a crude attempt at social engineering to make more rejuv clerics, mythic having realised that there was a shortage of Alb healing classes (espeicially since friars were not popular at the time in the US). Obviously the quality of the reasoning where Mythic seem to believe that nerfing a class will make more of them, is, well, somewhat dubious; but there you go.
The dps on smite dds works out at around 75% of a cloth nuker today.
(that's before you consider shorter range, no crits, much less power efficiency, much smaller power pools and no quickcast)
I guess this is the tradeoff for wearing chain and having lots of HPs. Shamens get shafted in a similar way with DoTs, their 4 tick dots do 66% of the damage of a cloth caster 6 tick dot. I'm sure healers get some similar weakness in some line, though it is, admittedly, difficult to spot it amoungst their joint best buffs, joint best heals, and outright best cc in the game
.The only other smite spell anyone ever casts in RvR is pbaoemez, which never works anyway, but has a pretty effect.
The nerf reduces the dd dps it to 60%ish of a cloth caster.
/shrug
The nerf was obviously unsustainable on balance grounds - but everyone with even basic arithimetic skills knew that at the time.
Mythic claim the reason smite has been removed in 1.51 was that it was only intended as a pve pulling spell so that we sould use our uber melee skill to solo (I kid you not).
Personally I suspect it was in fact a crude attempt at social engineering to make more rejuv clerics, mythic having realised that there was a shortage of Alb healing classes (espeicially since friars were not popular at the time in the US). Obviously the quality of the reasoning where Mythic seem to believe that nerfing a class will make more of them, is, well, somewhat dubious; but there you go.
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oh, and btw.
I do wish Mythic would post spell stats in terms of DPS and speed, like they do for weapons. It would educate these discussions immeasurably above the current standard.
Personally I don't give a rat's ass if my smite is doing the same damage on a nuke as a caster nuke, at least, not when it takes so damn long to fire.
Not that I ever use smite in RvR anyway, In order to heal I'm generally standing a good way back from the group - and so the chances of anyone coming inside the 3 foot range of my weak ass base-smite, and staying there long enough to complete the 6 week cast time on a smite, is pretty small.
So I exaggerate a little - but you get the point.
I do wish Mythic would post spell stats in terms of DPS and speed, like they do for weapons. It would educate these discussions immeasurably above the current standard.
Personally I don't give a rat's ass if my smite is doing the same damage on a nuke as a caster nuke, at least, not when it takes so damn long to fire.
Not that I ever use smite in RvR anyway, In order to heal I'm generally standing a good way back from the group - and so the chances of anyone coming inside the 3 foot range of my weak ass base-smite, and staying there long enough to complete the 6 week cast time on a smite, is pretty small.
So I exaggerate a little - but you get the point.
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Imagine that
I aint there you are, proves my point, bitch.
“onus probandi“
Your dumbness amazes me, really. How can I say clerics are a healing class? Let me put it this way, maybe you don’t want any (pure) healers at all? All good RvR groups got good healers, my bad; albs don’t have any good groups. In the long run this helps albion (stop zerging?). Tanks might survive as they now have some support. Not a cleric spamming his smithe button for all his worth. No fuckin wonder you guys suck you’re all delusional. Tsk, another albion bitch purged.
2) What is fun is a fellow guild mate comes to the rescue, take your fucking pussywhipped ass back and do the dishes, then shut tha fuck up shemale. And this aint flames, only facts about why albs suck in general, they too fucking stupid to even grasp the meaning of teamwork. Some dumb fuck over at ign even compared thanes whith clerics, your not that stupid, but not far from it.
3) I regularly beat up wannabes, clerics included.
I aint there you are, proves my point, bitch.
“onus probandi“
Your dumbness amazes me, really. How can I say clerics are a healing class? Let me put it this way, maybe you don’t want any (pure) healers at all? All good RvR groups got good healers, my bad; albs don’t have any good groups. In the long run this helps albion (stop zerging?). Tanks might survive as they now have some support. Not a cleric spamming his smithe button for all his worth. No fuckin wonder you guys suck you’re all delusional. Tsk, another albion bitch purged.
1) Ok to comment, you’re a player in albion, and yet you don’t fuckin know that clerics are not considered hybrids? Ffs friars are hybrids, and your dehydrated and super ventilating. That your main healers want to put your realm mates lifes at stake to do some damage is very sad indeed.Originally posted by Ialkarn
That havent any sense:first at all every realms have hibrid classes and to have a character good in PvE dosent have any link whit RvR stuff;second a 23 reiv/48 smite (the most common smiter template) whit enought rp to get MCL and Serenity (rr2-3) can do quite good in a PvE group also as main healer.
And that is the only thing you said witch worth a reply...
the rest is shit:bullshit sentences and delirious flames against clerics,albion ,females (omg Kate you are all that at same time!!!
Mageling: probably recently sodomized by a smiter cleric.
2) What is fun is a fellow guild mate comes to the rescue, take your fucking pussywhipped ass back and do the dishes, then shut tha fuck up shemale. And this aint flames, only facts about why albs suck in general, they too fucking stupid to even grasp the meaning of teamwork. Some dumb fuck over at ign even compared thanes whith clerics, your not that stupid, but not far from it.
3) I regularly beat up wannabes, clerics included.
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old.LandShark
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i ain't even going to read half of this thread.
SMITE CLERIC?
Christ, you people are retards.
Has has the penultime rezz, his buffs add a little over 350hp to my gimped rogue self.
A smite cleric hasn't got this rezz, has, if you're lucky, 9 spec in enhance (say +50hp to me) and 48smite.
Now then, next point.... healing class? Well OK, i can't show you another realm's healing class doing that kind of damage. Could you show me a cleric with insta AE stun, mezz as well as cast versions? Hmmm? Could you perhaps show me a cleric with group purge?
Some of you people (hello Novamir!) are really full of shit.
A smite cleric not being able to solo a celt hero is one thing, a smite cleric nuking himself OOP to do 20% of the guy's damage? You have the nerve to bullshit and whine that clerics want to be fire wizards with chain and heals??
Quite apart from anything else, cleric DD's are already compensated for being decent damage, if you call it decent damage. They have a hideous casting time and a range which had mana eldritches and supp. runies whinging to high heaven a few US patches ago...
A further note to Mageling. Let's be reasonable here instead of your usual self-biased, randomly-flung BS. Do you know the single rarest class in this game? The single least-played class in this game? It's a pure healer. Because, basically, let's face it; it isn't fun. It gets you no RP, it has no machismo (no 'blow shit up' aspect) and frankly it won't do much in RvR because battles are 90% of the time lost or won at the initial "who gets their mezz off first" stage. So, tell me, assuming you have experienced RvR and thus must admit that most RvR encounters are won/lost by CC, why are you not whinging at mid healers that they should all be pure mend spec and not be able to stun and mezz?
SMITE CLERIC?
Christ, you people are retards.
Has has the penultime rezz, his buffs add a little over 350hp to my gimped rogue self.
A smite cleric hasn't got this rezz, has, if you're lucky, 9 spec in enhance (say +50hp to me) and 48smite.
Now then, next point.... healing class? Well OK, i can't show you another realm's healing class doing that kind of damage. Could you show me a cleric with insta AE stun, mezz as well as cast versions? Hmmm? Could you perhaps show me a cleric with group purge?
Some of you people (hello Novamir!) are really full of shit.
A smite cleric not being able to solo a celt hero is one thing, a smite cleric nuking himself OOP to do 20% of the guy's damage? You have the nerve to bullshit and whine that clerics want to be fire wizards with chain and heals??
Quite apart from anything else, cleric DD's are already compensated for being decent damage, if you call it decent damage. They have a hideous casting time and a range which had mana eldritches and supp. runies whinging to high heaven a few US patches ago...
A further note to Mageling. Let's be reasonable here instead of your usual self-biased, randomly-flung BS. Do you know the single rarest class in this game? The single least-played class in this game? It's a pure healer. Because, basically, let's face it; it isn't fun. It gets you no RP, it has no machismo (no 'blow shit up' aspect) and frankly it won't do much in RvR because battles are 90% of the time lost or won at the initial "who gets their mezz off first" stage. So, tell me, assuming you have experienced RvR and thus must admit that most RvR encounters are won/lost by CC, why are you not whinging at mid healers that they should all be pure mend spec and not be able to stun and mezz?
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old.Ramas
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Actually clerics are a priest class - which isn't the same thing. Go read an AD&D rules book if you really want to work out what a cleric 'is' in RP terms.
Personally I've never quite understood this 'cleric=healer' mentality.
Certainly it's one possible spec option, but you don't see...
Runemaster is a PBT class! You are evil if you do not spec PBT!
or...
Wizards are a PBAoE class! You let down your realm if you do not do your PBAoE job! You also let your realm down if you have not got both high spec in fire aoedds *and* earth gtaoedd.
maybe...
Elds are here to Nearsight! Non-nearsight spec Eldritches are a disgrace to Hib!
perhaps even...
Cabalists are a dot class! How dare you heal me!
/sigh
Never really undertstood the Cleric Rejuv thing.
And this is coming from a rejuv cleric.
If you believe that Alb needs more rejuv clerics, the sensible solution is to play one.
/shrug.
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he smote for 1800 damage... if he'd targeted the druid he'd have killed him..
was the druid healing the hero? or was the hero just moosing+IPing?
(and it's not a smite cleric... looks like a balanced one - level 35 spec nuke)
was the druid healing the hero? or was the hero just moosing+IPing?
(and it's not a smite cleric... looks like a balanced one - level 35 spec nuke)
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After reading Magelings posts I have realized albion certainly isn't the only realm with stupid people.. Now I feel a bit better about playing in the chain-nerfed realm. Nerf chain-nerfing.
Just to bring you some additional information; I played a friends air theurg a while ago. Their nukes are spirit damage and as such has the same resists as smite. I have a L50 smite cleric and I figured I would try to compare the damages a bit on some undead mobs that are weak to spirit nukes.
My cleric nuke for 450 (+200) damage on those mobs every 4 seconds with 1350 range. The theurgist nuked them for 650 damage every 2 seconds with 1500 range and very often critted for as much as double damage. So effectively the theurgist nukes for 1300 damage in the same time the cleric nukes for 450 not counting crits. Its pretty funny how people say clerics nuke for as much as wizards and have chain and instaheals etc etc as a basis for arguments.
Also for the record, my cleric is permanently logged in Castle Excalibur for quick relic defense and hes not actively played for anything besides that and the occational guild trip because frankly smite clerics suck in RvR and will be even worse in the next patch. If he was on a seperate account from my other chars he would be respecced to full enhance right away..
The only thing a cleric was good at before nerfs was pure duelling.
Btw, yes, cleric can sometimes take oranges in pve if hes lucky and the stun isnt resisted but after hes finished off the orange he has no or very little power left. A smitecleric uses 30-50% power to kill off a yellow mob with smite. Its just not worth it.
Just to bring you some additional information; I played a friends air theurg a while ago. Their nukes are spirit damage and as such has the same resists as smite. I have a L50 smite cleric and I figured I would try to compare the damages a bit on some undead mobs that are weak to spirit nukes.
My cleric nuke for 450 (+200) damage on those mobs every 4 seconds with 1350 range. The theurgist nuked them for 650 damage every 2 seconds with 1500 range and very often critted for as much as double damage. So effectively the theurgist nukes for 1300 damage in the same time the cleric nukes for 450 not counting crits. Its pretty funny how people say clerics nuke for as much as wizards and have chain and instaheals etc etc as a basis for arguments.
Also for the record, my cleric is permanently logged in Castle Excalibur for quick relic defense and hes not actively played for anything besides that and the occational guild trip because frankly smite clerics suck in RvR and will be even worse in the next patch. If he was on a seperate account from my other chars he would be respecced to full enhance right away..
The only thing a cleric was good at before nerfs was pure duelling.
Btw, yes, cleric can sometimes take oranges in pve if hes lucky and the stun isnt resisted but after hes finished off the orange he has no or very little power left. A smitecleric uses 30-50% power to kill off a yellow mob with smite. Its just not worth it.
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Not tob nor neverwinternights
Support class which do not have heal, why ever group you.
Game is not based on AD&D rules, ever heard of rolemaster.
Support class which do not have heal, why ever group you.
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Still no explanation as to why mythic gave clerics smite, ae smite, pbae smite if they didnt want them to do any damage at all and just heal.
A bit like giving minstrels stealth even though they don't want them to solo.
So true, mid healer is not only the (joint) BEST healer in mid but its also got the BEST CC!
This is why shamans are so rare because they can offer healing like the healer but the other thing they offer (ae dot? some crappie bolt?) is much worse than CC.
If there was any other class in mid that had ok cc nobody would pick it because healer already has better.
No class in alb is the best at 2 things (out of tanking, healing, damage making, CC).
If a cleric was better at dmg than a wizard everyone would make a cleric of course because a wizard is pure damage and can do nothing else.
I expect a lot of rejuv clerics would much prefer to have a line similar to the pac line healer spec instead of a smite line.
It all comes down to mythic trying to vary the realms by putting different skills on different character types and making a right mess of it.
Giving a healing class powerful offense, giving a almost pure support class (minstrel) a solo only skill (stealth), giving all the best CC to a caster class and trying to give that same class nice nukes as well, giving albions second healing class amazing melee dmg so they are always in combat....
One question though is why do all albs make theurgs, wizzies etc when a full body spec sorc can do almost as much dmg but also gets a nice ae mezz and a very nice ae root. I really think albion would do a lot better if half the wizards and theurg's out there were sorcerer's instead.
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good point, if alb clerics gotta heal all the time so have mid healers !
just proves their other lines are better cus they use them (and have to use them) a lot more.
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old.Odysseus
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Valid point, a few answers from my POV:
a) PBT makes levelling a HELL of a lot easier.
b) Haste+EB gives more to the levelling speed
c) Theurgs get aoe mezz and root as well (gimped in comparison)
d) Theurgs do very well as secondary CC
e) I hate pets (genetical defect from my scouting time)
nuff said on that topic.
Other than that, giving cleric smite, then making it useless ... hmm lets try and remove Pac from the healers and see how pissed they would get - or remove stealth from minstrels and archers for that matter....
Dont nerf ffs! It only leads to whines.
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Gimps
You could roll a bard and fully spec regrowth and be a portable healer. Don’t ask me why, as I know mezzing, music spec btw is the aim for bards (aoe mezz, soon instant aoe). There are many ways to spec, and equally as many to gimp yourself.
You could roll a bard and fully spec regrowth and be a portable healer. Don’t ask me why, as I know mezzing, music spec btw is the aim for bards (aoe mezz, soon instant aoe). There are many ways to spec, and equally as many to gimp yourself.
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Re: Not tob nor neverwinternights
Ever played albion? Smite cleric typical spec has a perfectly servicable group and single-target insta, can happily heal for 400+ a pop. Smite clerics do 99% of all the healing in albion. Firstly, because friars are not merely rare but the currently-in-leveling generation of friars all seem to want to be armsmen-cum-ninjas. Secondly, because rejuv clerics are rare as can be and, upon reaching 50 and realising how futile it is being a pure-healer in RvR, roll alts.
Oh, and another point on the 'smite cleric' accusation @ Tigerius, he has wild healing and mastery of healing RAs. Just so you know.
So you're saying a non-mezzing bard would be a gimp or a smite-cleric, not-doing-the-job-it-should class? Even if it could heal you better than most druids you encountered?
So every class only has one job and should do nothing else?
I can't even believe you're serious about this.
Oh, and answer the damn question: mid healers, should all be pure mend spec, or should all be pure pac. spec? Cos you certainly seem to be saying that clerics should all be pure healers and all bards pure CC, so where would you put a healer?
Ever played albion? Smite cleric typical spec has a perfectly servicable group and single-target insta, can happily heal for 400+ a pop. Smite clerics do 99% of all the healing in albion. Firstly, because friars are not merely rare but the currently-in-leveling generation of friars all seem to want to be armsmen-cum-ninjas. Secondly, because rejuv clerics are rare as can be and, upon reaching 50 and realising how futile it is being a pure-healer in RvR, roll alts.
Oh, and another point on the 'smite cleric' accusation @ Tigerius, he has wild healing and mastery of healing RAs. Just so you know.
So you're saying a non-mezzing bard would be a gimp or a smite-cleric, not-doing-the-job-it-should class? Even if it could heal you better than most druids you encountered?
So every class only has one job and should do nothing else?
I can't even believe you're serious about this.
Oh, and answer the damn question: mid healers, should all be pure mend spec, or should all be pure pac. spec? Cos you certainly seem to be saying that clerics should all be pure healers and all bards pure CC, so where would you put a healer?
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Fingoniel: Some credit please, say what you want about smiting a Hero but I would never had done it had a Druid been healing him or for that matter been in range. No you see I only got an attack on the already low health Druid and then he ran for the hills, to stop, heal, return I expected but all the less nothing I could do anything about with my limited range. Fact is I never saw him come back, I never saw a heal animation over the Hero or his bar go up other than when he IPed and Moosed.
Chesnor: I adressed this in my initial post already. The target has 34% spirit resist, which is 26% from items, 5% from racial resists for Celt and 3% from a 1p RA. It's a high resist but that's what lvl50 players in epic armor and soon spellcrafted armor are MEANT to have. Don't forget Wardens getting a 24% group spirit resist timered spell soon
Before epic and SC armors I could agree with your point about arguing the exist/non-exist of specific resistances, after them however my base assumption when calculating a classes damage output is that they are faced with atleast 20% resist, more so for a few damage types (cold) and less for a few (energy). You cannot make class changes or balance arguments based on 0% gimped resist. Any target with 0% resist is totally gimped, you are hitting his weak spot, such a target does deserve an usually high damage. I'd cheer every day if it was a world of 0% resist but it's not, it's a world closer to 50% than 0%.
I won't deny that there are specs allowing you to be good in PvE Solo, PvE Group, RvR Solo, RvR Group, that spec isn't Smite. That spec is a broad spec, avoiding diminishing returns that high speccers get and spreading those saved points in a balanced way. Having 3 useful lines to do this between is a luxury but not an inbalance. What this means is that I'll be 75% (number made up) effective in 3 areas as opposed to 100% in 1 50% in another, naturally this allows me to suit a large number of roles but I won't be doing any of them to 100%. Many would call such a spec gimped as it means you can't do anything good, I'll let people decide on that themselves but what I can say is that to be a chameleon suited for many roles I AM paying a price. When a RvR group wants me as healer/buffer then voila all smite spec is more or less wasted, etc. In pure 1on1 / duel encounters I CAN use all spells from all 3 lines and the result will be 3x75%, don't expect it otherwise.
Chesnor: I adressed this in my initial post already. The target has 34% spirit resist, which is 26% from items, 5% from racial resists for Celt and 3% from a 1p RA. It's a high resist but that's what lvl50 players in epic armor and soon spellcrafted armor are MEANT to have. Don't forget Wardens getting a 24% group spirit resist timered spell soon
Before epic and SC armors I could agree with your point about arguing the exist/non-exist of specific resistances, after them however my base assumption when calculating a classes damage output is that they are faced with atleast 20% resist, more so for a few damage types (cold) and less for a few (energy). You cannot make class changes or balance arguments based on 0% gimped resist. Any target with 0% resist is totally gimped, you are hitting his weak spot, such a target does deserve an usually high damage. I'd cheer every day if it was a world of 0% resist but it's not, it's a world closer to 50% than 0%.
I won't deny that there are specs allowing you to be good in PvE Solo, PvE Group, RvR Solo, RvR Group, that spec isn't Smite. That spec is a broad spec, avoiding diminishing returns that high speccers get and spreading those saved points in a balanced way. Having 3 useful lines to do this between is a luxury but not an inbalance. What this means is that I'll be 75% (number made up) effective in 3 areas as opposed to 100% in 1 50% in another, naturally this allows me to suit a large number of roles but I won't be doing any of them to 100%. Many would call such a spec gimped as it means you can't do anything good, I'll let people decide on that themselves but what I can say is that to be a chameleon suited for many roles I AM paying a price. When a RvR group wants me as healer/buffer then voila all smite spec is more or less wasted, etc. In pure 1on1 / duel encounters I CAN use all spells from all 3 lines and the result will be 3x75%, don't expect it otherwise.