Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

Who do you currently intend to vote for in the next UK general election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 14 60.9%
  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • DUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Total voters
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Scouse

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Labour MP's verdict on the new legislative agenda:


This sums up where we have gone wrong in the first two years in government. We talk about not going back to the status quo and then propose boosting growth by tweaking the wording of regulators’ remits.

I.E. business as usual.

If the government really wanted to keep Reform out then they'd have a stab at radical change - the radical change voters have been screaming for for a decade now.

But they ain't getting it. Labour or Tory - you get tweaks and gradual enshittification.

Again - I'm not saying Reform will be better - I don't think they will be.

But you vote for Labour or Tory in FPTP, then this shit is what you're guaranteed.
 

SilverHood

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Who needs Wall Street when you have Wes Street? Anyway, what a bunch of clowns. The bar for doing better than the Tories was so low, and they've somehow managed to duck under it, and are surprised that the electorate is voting with their feet.
 

Raven

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Farage can stand for whatever he likes, he has 4mil to spend on security, after all.
 

Scouse

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For the billionaire who gave him £5m that's like giving a mate a few hundred quid.

I guess dem's the circles eh? Good that they're properly looking into it, as they should.

I'm with them on one thing though - we should be in on crypto, instead of the rounding of the wagons of the corrupt and closed shop fractional reserve banking system.
 

Gwadien

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@Gwadien - where should Farage stand on this:


Considering it's the teaching of the Church?

I think considering the Far Right has taken up Christianity more recently (with calls to crusade etc) I think it would be wise of him not to associate himself with such figures.

Farage/Reform have repeatedly said they're not racist, Islamophobic, homophobic etc so it seems like a bit of an own goal.
 

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I'm with them on one thing though - we should be in on crypto, instead of the rounding of the wagons of the corrupt and closed shop fractional reserve banking system.

No thanks.
 

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Farage can stand for whatever he likes, he has 4mil to spend on security, after all.

It annoys me how this seems to be accepted by many people. If it was for personal security than why didn't the billionaire simply employ those security people himself?
 

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I think considering the Far Right has taken up Christianity more recently (with calls to crusade etc) I think it would be wise of him not to associate himself with such figures.

Farage/Reform have repeatedly said they're not racist, Islamophobic, homophobic etc so it seems like a bit of an own goal.
I think it's the Guardian smearing by association.

We all know that religion is racist, sexist and homophobic - but unless we are to ban religion, they should be free to spout their hateful bile.

That way the whole country can see what they're *actually* about.
 

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Awesome. So we're going to remove critical environmental protections when the actual problem isn't judicial reviews - it's connecting to our old and antiquated grid.

I've a suggestion to our economically incompetent chancellor - print some fucking money and upgrade our grid.

"Anything we can do, we can afford to do."
 

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Awesome. So we're going to remove critical environmental protections when the actual problem isn't judicial reviews - it's connecting to our old and antiquated grid.

I've a suggestion to our economically incompetent chancellor - print some fucking money and upgrade our grid.

"Anything we can do, we can afford to do."

I think it makes complete economic sense.

We've got HS2 to look at as a perfect example. £100m was spent on building a tunnel for bats to live in whilst it was under construction IE bats wouldn't be bothered when the train was actually going.

It's interesting you say 'print some fucking money' and call her economically incompetent, because I think the vast majority of economists would consider this pretty dangerous.

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If you look at AI's breakdown of costs, it seems to account for £35bn, I'd wager that the consultancy & legal takes up a large chunk of the rest.

How much would upgrading the grid cost? Trillions?
 

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It's not legal challenges that are holding up development of our energy infrastructure @Gwadien.

It's connecting to the grid. It's right there in the article itself.

Unless we can speed up the connections to the grid, you can trash the environment all you like (which makes you a dick) - building inappropriate things in the wrong place (like wind farms on SSSI's rather than in the sea). But if you can't connect them you're building a load of white elephants.

Labour has shown a shocking desire to trash long held protections for our environment. Building on green belt land when land availability isn't the issue with housing (developers have huge land banks they won't develop on - that's the problem). And now trashing the environment to "speed up energy" - when it's the grid that is the problem.

On printing money - we've done the keynsian economics bit before. It would not, of course, cost trillions to upgrade the grid - and it's work we *have* to do - so bring that cost forward so we can benefit from the work faster.

So, lets use public money where it should be used - making good quality jobs available and get the grid upgraded, which benefits the whole country, individuals and businesses - and all of the shit that is in the pipeline but is blocked by a lack of grid connections can be brought online faster - creating our much needed economic growth.


Or we can fuck over the environment, and still have our grid problem. We'll no longer have our "natural world" problem, but, you know: Labour.
 

Scouse

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£100m was spent on building a tunnel for bats to live in whilst it was under construction IE bats wouldn't be bothered when the train was actually going.
BTW - this is wrong.

They spent £100m on a bat tunnel so the trains wouldn't kill all the rare bats when running at high speed through their habitat. The tunnel was for the train to go through - the bats can fly *over the top* of the tunnel, not end up as bugs on the windscreen.

It was also poor decision making. They could (should) have taken half that money and massively improved habitat and protections for the same species at the other sites around the country where they're already under pressure, with lots of micro-interventions, which are more effective, better bang for buck and could have been transformative.

This is governmental decision making in action. This isn't a problem with the legal protections - it's a problem with idiots.


But it's nice to see you're aligned with Boris Johnson who used to moan about bats and newts too. You've fallen for the (previously) "rightwing money wasting narrative", which is now clearly Labour's actionable modus operandi.
 

Scouse

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Yep. The solution is don't build a road (or railway) through areas of rare animals and plants. Roads can be routed slightly differently.

But now energy is critical infrastructure, how long before roads are designated that too. Like housing. Or, well, pretty much anything where we've built up decades of environmental protections in a country where we've killed 70% of all animal life in the last 50 years by building shit.
 

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