Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Scouse]

But I'll try to be less cantankerous eh?

 

[Deebs]

But I'll try to be less cantankerous eh?

Just spat a little bit of coffee out after reading that, you ok?

 

[Scouse]

Just spat a little bit of coffee out after reading that, you ok?

It seems that everyone else is a little fragile but I'm willing to see things from their POV.

But I don't really buy the argument that people are 'tired' of argument - I've never seen any evidence-based defence of Labour policy. Just a desire to state their 'correctness' and have it go unchallenged and a 'you're being a wanker' if you try to demand a defence of opinion.

But if being unchallenging is what it takes for everyone to feel happier for a bit - and god knows we could all do with that - then I'll be 'nice' for a while.

 

[Gwadien]

Lol

 

[DaGaffer]

And as for being some sort of apologist for the right - I used to get called far leftist comrade scouse. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, that ship sailed quite some time ago.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, that ship sailed quite some time ago.

Still anticapitalist.

I mean. I've said for a long time the whole left-right thing was idiotic nonsense.

And what is obviously true is our economy isn't working for huge swathes of us - when it palpably could. And I've argued strongly for the requirements of the poorest in society - when I'm obviously not one of them.

So what's so bad about that? The problem with not engaging in argument because you're "tired" is, for me, an excuse to not challenge yourself.

I'd love it if people could tell me exactly what I'm wrong about and why I'm wrong. But there doesn't really seem to be an appetite for that.

 

[DaGaffer]

Still anticapitalist.

Aby fascist can say that. So what?

 

[Scouse]

Aby fascist can say that. So what?

So I'm facist now?

How can you have possibly taken that from my posts?



Edit: I don't believe in strongman leaders, I don't believe in ultranationalist ideals, I don't believe in militarism, I'm anti-heirarchical.

Your assertion is palpably nonsensical tbh.

 

[DaGaffer]

So I'm facist now?

How can you have possibly taken that from my posts?



Edit: I don't believe in strongman leaders, I don't believe in ultranationalist ideals, I don't believe in militarism, I'm anti-heirarchical.

Your assertion is palpably nonsensical tbh.

No, you're "talking fatuous bollocks endlessly" now. And have been for quite some time. And the tedious "only asking questions" schtick is just exhausting.

The UK is terrible, too many immigrants, Labour are responsible for everything that's gone wrong, Israel are terrible but Trumpistan isn't all that bad, Reform are only getting traction because... blah blah blah.

Don't care. If you think you have answers, stand for public office or stop whining from the sidelines about everyone and everything.

 

[Scouse]

The UK is terrible, too many immigrants

I'm not in the least bit bothered about the number of immigrants.

I just offered an evidence-based argument as to why wholesale immigration isn't economically useful for the whole of society, how it actively harms the lowest rungs and how that's tied into our idiotic voting and political environment (which you've called the UK out on repeatedly).

It's not a moral position on my part. But I refuse to be eyes-closed to the economic and cultural arguments. That doesn't make me "reform"...

Labour are responsible for everything that's gone wrong

I was hyper critical of the Tories. Hyper.

Labour have come in and shown themselves to be economically Tory, with added other shitness.

I've also explicitly credited Labour for stuff they've done well, but that appears to go unnoticed...

Israel are terrible

Yep. We agree.

Trumpistan isn't all that bad

Not "all that" bad isn't the thrust. But not all bad. i.e not Evil.

I refuse to be completely polarised and rabidly pro-democrat when they are in part responsible for the failings that have landed us with the Orange Retard.

And the fact that I've repeatedly, explicitly, called him out as a wanker counts for nothing.

It's not me that's so incredibly polarised.

, Reform are only getting traction because... blah blah blah.

Part of the reason we got Brexit was an unwillingness to deal with issues that affect the poorest - and that still holds. We'd rather call them retards instead.

Can't help if you don't like that - but it doesn't make me a supporter (or a facist!).

People find messengers unpopular IMO.

If you think you have answers, stand for public office or stop whining from the sidelines about everyone and everything.

Discussion forum.

If you consider me not agreeing with everything whining...

 

[DaGaffer]

If you consider me not agreeing with everything whining...

It's boring. Default contrarianism is just dull.

 

[Scouse]

It's boring. Default contrarianism is just dull.

It's not contrarianism. Maybe I'm not doing a good job of making myself clear, but I don't think it's that.

People are still so used to calling Brexiteers thick, and ignoring them, I think it's a sort of default...

 

[DaGaffer]

It's not contrarianism.

LOL.

 

[Scouse]

LOL.

If you can read that post above and actually think that's contrarianism, then I guess that's what you need to believe

 

[Scouse]

The world wants to ban children from social media, but there will be grave consequences for us all | Taylor Lorenz

Age-verification systems require collecting sensitive data to support the biometric information. In no time, the internet will become a fully surveilled digital panopticon, says technology journalist Taylor Lorenz

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

MP not seen anything to suspect husband has 'broken any law', after China spy arrests

The Met Police suspect three men of assisting Chinese intelligence services in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BloodOmen]

MP not seen anything to suspect husband has 'broken any law', after China spy arrests

The Met Police suspect three men of assisting Chinese intelligence services in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

Surely that would bring the Chinese mega embassy which is near crucial intelligence data cables under even more scrutiny given it was Labour that greenlit it?

 

[Scouse]

So in the ongoing quest to remove our 900-year old right to Trial by a Jury of our Peers Labour have blocked the Society Of Labour Lawyers from briefing Labour MPs about their concerns on the bill:

Labour lawyers ‘blocked’ from briefing MPs on jury trials overhaul before vote

Leader of rebel group says there is deep concern within Society of Labour Lawyers about courts and tribunals bill

www.theguardian.com

At least a few of them have principles:

https://x.com/ChrisMoran_101/status/2030916734178222511/photo/1

 

[Scouse]

Juries want fairness in court and don’t just obey the government. That’s why ministers are attacking them | Michael Mansfield

Be alive to this threat. The wisdom of ordinary people is our bedrock: a sacred principle is being sacrificed to falsely explain systemic failure, says barrister Michael Mansfield

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

It's always the ones you least suspect...

Reform UK suspends Scotland candidate over financial allegations

Scotland leader Malcolm Offord told BBC Radio Scotland that the party had "spent a lot of time on vetting" candidates

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deebs]

It's always the ones you least suspect...

Reform UK suspends Scotland candidate over financial allegations

Scotland leader Malcolm Offord told BBC Radio Scotland that the party had "spent a lot of time on vetting" candidates

www.bbc.co.uk

"Had spent a lot of time on vetting" = 10 seconds in politician times.

 

[Embattle]

No evidence of 'family voting' in Gorton and Denton by-election

An investigation into alleged "family voting" finds no evidence of intent to influence voting.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Reform candidate in Wales steps down after apparent Nazi salute

Party announces Corey Edwards’ decision to quit Senedd election campaign on grounds of mental health

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

Reform candidate in Wales steps down after apparent Nazi salute

Party announces Corey Edwards’ decision to quit Senedd election campaign on grounds of mental health

www.theguardian.com

Look at the photo. He finds it funny. As have millions who've made exactly that joke.

I'm not saying he's not a cunt though. He's also an ex Tory

 

[DaGaffer]

Look at the photo. He finds it funny. As have millions who've made exactly that joke.

I'm not saying he's not a cunt though. He's also an ex Tory

If that's a "mental health issue" then we're all in trouble.

Context free photography; destroying lives for fun and profit since 2003.

 

[Scouse]

If that's a "mental health issue" then we're all in trouble.

Yeah - it's the bullshit all politicians feel they have to say in our neomarxist social environment. They can't turn round and say "it's obviously a fucking joke" (or even better, everyone knows it's a fucking joke or, gasp, funny!)

Context free photography; destroying lives for fun and profit since 2003.

Yep. But I'd go further - the demand to justify - largely from the likes of the grauniad and people who think like that, is the problem.

He's still a cunt tho

 

[Embattle]

Reform seems to have forgotten that another aspect of becoming more popular is that the scope of scrutiny tends to find you more often and easily.

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah - it's the bullshit all politicians feel they have to say in our neomarxist social environment. They can't turn round and say "it's obviously a fucking joke" (or even better, everyone knows it's a fucking joke or, gasp, funny!)


Yep. But I'd go further - the demand to justify - largely from the likes of the grauniad and people who think like that, is the problem.

He's still a cunt tho

Neomarxist social environment.

lol

 

[Scouse]

Neomarxist social environment.

lol

I stand by that.

"Free" - but only if you're following an "allowed" narrative. Our society is defined by leftist intolerance.

Edit: Hence the existence of multiple articles like this.

 

[Raven]

Reform seems to have forgotten that another aspect of becoming more popular is that the scope of scrutiny tends to find you more often and easily.

They are winning lots of councils...the problem with that is that they are getting found out at council level.

Fuck all is changing, the roads are some of the worst in the country, and they put the tax up well over inflation, not to mention the garden waste bin is now £69 (nice) a year (was £45)

Made a local gammon rage when I pointed out that he voted for them, and they did indeed promise to lower taxes.