Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Gwadien]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk98MLBkiVA

 

[Scouse]

Are they going to counter Jess Phillips?

Misogyny isn't an "extremist" ideology. She's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Scouse]

OK, so someone'll moan but it's still funny:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lddDByCsaE

 

[Overdriven]

Labour in power: 69 days (kek) - OMG THE WORLD IS TURNING TO SHIT THEY'VE FAILED OMG QQ
Tories in Power: 5178 days (ish) - Yeah this is fine... Ignore the world being on fire. 10/10 government never did anything wrong.

Basically all I hear when talking to people these days and I want to garrotte them.

Maybe give Lab a year before we shit down their throats...

 

[Scouse]

Maybe give Lab a year before we shit down their throats...

Why?

From the looks of it it appears they're going to do exactly what people feared they'd do before they were even elected - they're going to increase taxes on the middle classes and do fuck all about the super-rich. They're meddling around the edges and not making any of the "change" that they were supposedly all about.

The Guardian is running piece after piece about Rachel Reeves being the reincarnation of George Osbourne. Even more austerity, here we come.

 

[Overdriven]

Why?

From the looks of it it appears they're going to do exactly what people feared they'd do before they were even elected - they're going to increase taxes on the middle classes and do fuck all about the super-rich. They're meddling around the edges and not making any of the "change" that they were supposedly all about.

The Guardian is running piece after piece about Rachel Reeves being the reincarnation of George Osbourne. Even more austerity, here we come.

Because Tories did the exact same thing and if not worse, over the 5000 days they were in power and (without me spending hours doing reading) probably put us in the position where this had to happen?

I'd rather go through a year of shit more and see what happens than 14 years of shit again.

!remindme 300 days.

 

[Scouse]

Because Tories did the exact same thing and if not worse, over the 5000 days they were in power and (without me spending hours doing reading) probably put us in the position where this had to happen?

Nope.

They're just redoing austerity again. That's neoliberal orthodoxy and we voted for change. It didn't have to happen.

You complained about the Tories - and that's a fair complaint and I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, you voted Labour - but got more Tories.

None of the economic choices of austerity did us any good. But Reeves is ex-BoE and a proponent of austerity. When she said "we can only do what we can afford" that was a direct troll of Keynes - who said "whatever we can do we can afford". So she's likely to do Bidenomics without the spending - in fact with more austerity. Which is a double-whammy of shitness.

Sorry @Overdriven - I'm not going to wait 12 months for them to 'show their colours' - they've already shown them, so every single time they do what the Tories would have done I'm going to point it out. Like when they cut their 28bn pledge - something we "could have done" - which promotes growth. But "can't afford it" Reeves is cutting our legs off.

 

[Tom]

We could dispense with a lot of discussion on taxes if we could get the economy working again. If we could increase productivity. And to do that we need to embrace healthy eating, active travel and flexible working. Improving our economy would lead to more income from taxes all by itself.

 

[Scouse]

We could dispense with a lot of discussion on taxes if we could get the economy working again. If we could increase productivity. And to do that we need to embrace healthy eating, active travel and flexible working. Improving our economy would lead to more income from taxes all by itself.

Agree. But they could also pull the lever called "investment" rather than the lever called "more austerity".

But they're hitting the austerity lever and the increased taxation levers. So the amount of money in the economy is going to go down. Labour policy is a headwind.

 

[Raven]

Anyway, if Trump gets in, we will be in recession by Xmas. The construction industry is already getting twitchy for all sorts of reasons, and that's usually a bit ahead.

Rich old folk not getting a Brucey bonus in the winter will be the least of our worries...it's still shit optics and a pointless hill to die on.

 

[Scouse]

The more things change the more they stay the same:

Starmer’s £100,000 in tickets and gifts more than any other recent party leader

Prime minister has come under fire recently for clothing, accommodation and glasses provided by Waheed Alli

www.theguardian.com

I accept the Arsenal tickets but the clothes and glasses are clear grift.

 

[Bodhi]

RETURN THE SAUSAGES!

3 months in this government already has "Release Roderick" vibes. Must be a record.

 

[Scouse]

I have to agree @Bodhi - but credit where credit is due, Starmer says he's going to bring in a legal duty of candour before next April.

 

[Gwadien]

Have to agree? lol!

I'm sure Bodhi was on the Tory band wagon of BLAME LABOUR when the Tories first got into power and threw us into austerity, then Brexit hit and we had the most incompetent, inept and corrupt series of Governments we've ever seen.

Starmer misspoke and it's the end times?

What in the GBNews has this place turned into?

 

[Scouse]

Starmer misspoke and it's the end times?

Have I missed something?

I think they've been pretty awful (notwithstanding the credit given above) - I mean, talk about own goals. He's got an argument for the Arsenal tickets - but the clothing and glasses bit is a joke tbh.


Edit: Ah, of course. Zionist fun. Hadn't seen it. (Didn't bother watching).

 

[Gwadien]

Have I missed something?

I think they've been pretty awful (notwithstanding the credit given above) - I mean, talk about own goals. He's got an argument for the Arsenal tickets - but the clothing and glasses bit is a joke tbh.


Edit: Ah, of course. Zionist fun. Hadn't seen it. (Didn't bother watching).

Yeah, it is a joke, Waheed Alli has been a Lord since 1998, I think it's fair to suggest that he's somehow buying influence is a bit of a stretch, I find it incredible how long the story has been in the news cycle, they've barely even done anything (because you know, it's not been long) yet that's worthy of criticism.

Yes, the winter fuel allowance, something that the Tories were also going to cut but conveniently left it out until Labour came into power, among other things that people aren't going to be happy about.

Funnily enough I'm not a massive fan of what the prospect is, I feel like taxes need to be raised across the board & decreasing the threshold at where people start to pay tax to properly invest, not more austerity. Especially with the increasing attacks of the right wing media (probably related to the covid corruption inquiry) I'd argue Labour can afford to be unpopular over serious things, not silly things.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, it is a joke, Waheed Alli has been a Lord since 1998, I think it's fair to suggest that he's somehow buying influence is a bit of a stretch,

No. It's a joke that Starmer takes free clothes and designer glasses. It's fucking grift, plain and simple.

Or do you subsidise your neighbours clothing alongside mowing their lawns?

At best it's staggering political naievty. If this was the other side there'd be riots.

Anyway - Labour opposing Tories, but doing the same when their turn comes:

Labour’s benefit fraud crackdown would allow officials to access bank accounts

Proposals will require financial institutions to share data that may help identify scammers

www.theguardian.com

Hilsborough law aside, I don't see much good coming out of Labour...

 

[Tom]

I didn't vote Labour (voted Green because they're quite strong where I am and do good things locally). But let's look beyond the headlines (this is a copy-paste from elsewhere that checks out)

* The Budget Responsibility Act 2014, ensuring the OBR has statutory right to review a budget- in Law


* Great British Energy Bill, setting up GB Energy, a state owned company for green energy investment- Committee stage HoC


* High Speed Rail Bill (Crewe- Manchester), restarting HS2- Committee Stage HoC


* Holocaust Memorial Bill, provision for a new Holocaust Memorial and Learning Centre- passed HoC, committee stage HoL


* HoL (Hereditary Peers) Bill, removal of all hereditary peers from the HoL- 2nd stage HoC


* Passenger Railway Services (Public Ownership) Bill, provision for railways to be taken over by public sector companies- passed HoC, 2nd stage HoL


* Renter's Rights Bill, giving residential tenants more rights, specifically abolishing no fault evictions- 2nd stage HoC


* Terrorism (Protection of Premises) Bill- essentially putting the legal onus on private premises to actively secure their public places against terrorism- 2nd stage HoC

As for pensioners? I don't really care. When the winter fuel payment was introduced, poverty levels amongst pensioners were much higher than they are now. These days, pensioners are better off - its younger working people who are more in poverty. Makes sense to me to redirect funding to excellent suggestions like free breakfasts for schoolchildren Rachel Reeves announces £315m free breakfast club scheme to begin in primary schools next year

 

[Gwadien]

No. It's a joke that Starmer takes free clothes and designer glasses. It's fucking grift, plain and simple.

Or do you subsidise your neighbours clothing alongside mowing their lawns?

At best it's staggering political naievty. If this was the other side there'd be riots.

Anyway - Labour opposing Tories, but doing the same when their turn comes:

Labour’s benefit fraud crackdown would allow officials to access bank accounts

Proposals will require financial institutions to share data that may help identify scammers

www.theguardian.com

Hilsborough law aside, I don't see much good coming out of Labour...

lol, the corruption from the Tories pales in comparison to this and as I said, I see it as a non-issue - unless you have a political reasoning for wanting to undermine Labour - IE investigating ToryMates and contracts throughout their time in office.

 

[Embattle]

They deserve more time as any new government does no matter the colour, although I do feel the Winter fuel payment was a bad hill to die on at this stage.

 

[Scouse]

lol, the corruption from the Tories pales....

That's an argument that justifies corruption. And it's for a party that's just getting started.

The Tories had years to get their corruption going. And lest you remember the last time we had a Labour government - we were taken into illegal wars under false pretenses.

Labour is no different to the Tories. Not in any material way.

 

[Scouse]

They deserve more time as any new government does no matter the colour, although I do feel the Winter fuel payment was a bad hill to die on at this stage.

I actually agree with them. Means-tested benefits? Get the extra cash.

If not, there's a billion quid better spent on the NHS.

 

[Gwadien]

That's an argument that justifies corruption. And it's for a party that's just getting started.

The Tories had years to get their corruption going. And lest you remember the last time we had a Labour government - we were taken into illegal wars under false pretenses.

Labour is no different to the Tories. Not in any material way.

The bloke is a long term Labour fundraiser and supporter, I'd be intrigued to see where he'd personally benefit. Boris had dozens of these events but they barely made the news and the scale was far bigger, but I'm not that bothered because it's normal in our politics, should we address it? Yes. Should we support the right wing media in their early doors attempt to dismantle a new government, whilst their own people were playing the same games when the Tories were in power? No.

I don't think a single event should wholly define a government that's been in power for so long, weren't you in your prime under the Labour years? You did alright, no?

Plus I think extraordinary events like wars etc don't fall into the remit of party politics, more the people at the top.

 

[Scouse]

I'm still in my prime thanks

Apologism. Labour needs to be better. But they're not showing it right now. I reserve the right to judge at the end of their term - but also as we're going along. And they've made a fucking piss-poor start.

If the right-wing media (like the rabidly rightwing guardian) are trying to "dismantle" the government then it's on Starmer to run a better ship isn't it. Not for Labour supporters to get all whiny when the press do to Labour exactly the same thing they've done to the Tories.

 

[Embattle]

I actually agree with them. Means-tested benefits? Get the extra cash.

If not, there's a billion quid better spent on the NHS.

Yes but that isn't really what they did, since they did no impact report thus had no idea about the factors involved with such a change, in fact the biggest issue is they should have sorted pension credits first but they stuck the cart before the horse.

Plus to really become a government that actually means tests most benefits they would have to properly integrate data between the assorted departments.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes but that isn't really what they did, since they did no impact report thus had no idea about the factors involved with such a change, in fact the biggest issue is they should of sorted pension credits first but they stuck the cart before the horse.

Wasn't it a leak that's a part of the autumn budget?

 

[Scouse]

Labour doesn't invite world's richest person to their investment forum because they don't like his opinions.

Elon Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit

There is concern about his social media posts about the UK during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk

I mean, we're still selling weapons to Israel, who are committing genocide and threatening wider regional war, but we won't take money off a cunt because we 'don't like what he says'.

 

[Embattle]

Labour doesn't invite world's richest person to their investment forum because they don't like his opinions.

Elon Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit

There is concern about his social media posts about the UK during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk

I mean, we're still selling weapons to Israel, who are committing genocide and threatening wider regional war, but we won't take money off a cunt because we 'don't like what he says'.

No because he is a lying, conspiracy nut, etc. which he proved again with his reply.

 

[Scouse]

No because he is a lying, conspiracy nut, etc. which he proved again with his reply.

So what?

If we only do business with people who behave how we want them to behave and think what we want them to think our economy would be utterly fucked.

So seriously. So fucking what?

 

[Zarjazz]

Labour doesn't invite world's richest person to their investment forum because they don't like his opinions.

Yes, and that's completely their right to do so. They didn't invite Putin or paedophiles either. You could also argue Musk has done more harm to the world than Israel has.