1.85B.. Bainshee taunt interruptable!

[guid0]

/me looks around for all the promised skald love

 

[Maeloch]

Plz givf RM something too

Atleast ment got a nice rr5 abil rm got nothing.
Rm is the lowest class in the foodchain casterwise (yes ment has baseline instawin and rr5 so )

Problem with ments in grps, is don't think there's really any reason to have em in. The stuff unique to ments (ST, demezz, warlord) is kinda 'nice-ish to have' but vs say eldie utilitymonster, why bother? Dunno, prolly biased, jaded, sick of it now anyhow, played too much fotm eldie and lost perspective, but find it in grps just depressing. Just out-ranged by everything, nuking vs red resists, food for bolters and nsers, useless when rs cept to interrupt and throw in odd mez. Mebbe good if u got some caster heavy set-up already with chanter and eldie already. Funny thing always thought they way underestimated in OF (StT was seen as a joke RA, but it was fucking OP and could turn fights on their head totally).

ahh feck... now instead of only showing up every 15 mins when your RAs n RR5 up you will show up more often zzzzz

Well I don't camp cain like a cretin waiting for timers to come up, but prolly won't take a stroll over some zerg spot like beno bridge - is this where I meet u? - without at least some stuff been up.

 

[enkor]

/me looks around for all the promised skald love

/agree

 

[pip]

Yes roll on hunter love I sure do need it

Ps...Give skald love to plz they been gimps for years since speed warp they rp foder can't escape no more

 

[Frozodo]

glad i never rolled bainshee ;p but im sure we will get around that problem

 

[Konah]

for fg rvr it will destroy hibs alot

why? still get easymode skill?stun

 

[Solari]

why? still get easymode skill?stun

Says the light tank with anytime stun :O

 

[auroria]

we often run menta in grp, love it tbh, alot better petcleaner than eld/bainsh and they also have to nice demezz and HEAVY nukes after debuff from chanter!

 

[Valgyr]

we often run menta in grp, love it tbh, alot better petcleaner than eld/bainsh and they also have to nice demezz and HEAVY nukes after debuff from chanter!

Ye menta in a chanter nuke setup can be very nice.

Bard
druid
druid
bard/warden/hero
chanter
eldy
menta
vamp/bm

 

[Zoia]

Problem with ments in grps, is don't think there's really any reason to have em in. The stuff unique to ments (ST, demezz, warlord) is kinda 'nice-ish to have' but vs say eldie utilitymonster, why bother? Dunno, prolly biased, jaded, sick of it now anyhow, played too much fotm eldie and lost perspective, but find it in grps just depressing. Just out-ranged by everything, nuking vs red resists, food for bolters and nsers, useless when rs cept to interrupt and throw in odd mez. Mebbe good if u got some caster heavy set-up already with chanter and eldie already. Funny thing always thought they way underestimated in OF (StT was seen as a joke RA, but it was fucking OP and could turn fights on their head totally).


Well I don't camp cain like a cretin waiting for timers to come up, but prolly won't take a stroll over some zerg spot like beno bridge - is this where I meet u? - without at least some stuff been up.

Aha, didn't know ments got warlord. That would explain the crap damage i did on you.
If only i had remembered i had respecced to AotG2 when you MoCed.

 

[auroria]

Ye menta in a chanter nuke setup can be very nice.

Bard
druid
druid
bard/warden/hero
chanter
eldy
menta
vamp/bm

bard
druid
druid
chanter
eld
bain
bm
menta/vamp/champ/chanter

 

[Dave J.]

why nerf bainshees CASTABLE interrupt, but not heretic/bd insta?

 

[Cromcruaich]

why nerf bainshees CASTABLE interrupt, but not heretic/bd insta?

Coz of the range, and for the sake of group play, an uninteruptable castable may as well be an insta.

Thats not to say I dont think they should nerf bd insta. They should increase the reuse timer.

 

[Cromcruaich]

ahh feck... now instead of only showing up every 15 mins when your RAs n RR5 up you will show up more often zzzzz

Someone keeps getting beat?

Mentas should get unresistable charm if of high enough light spec and switch stormlord for convoker so they get ml9 on pet. Its just ridiculous that sorcs can ml9 but mentas can't.

Also STT as rr5 would make maeloch smile.

 

[swords]

Whats all this nerf theurgist crap? you dont need UI taunt to lockdown a theurgist for crying out loud, the pets are not insta or uninteruptable casting Hib has plenty of tools to deal with the petspam without the UI taunt.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Ye with these changes it feels as mids and albs are a bit ahead of hibs in the caster warfair, BD tic thuerg>>>bain

they always have been?

its quiet funny how some albs/mids can complain about a class like shee when they have sm/warlock/BD/sorc/caba/theurg themself. yes hib casters have stun but thats about only op thing they have and shee´s dont even get that and if your healers/clerics are half decent and have di you wont die in stun duration anyways. so if you die, maybe blame your healers instead the class that killed you.....

should have made shee taunt interuptable by melee only like it is with tics then its perfectly fine

 

[Mastade]

Yet another bad move from Mythic. Hib had something that was on pair with theurg/tic and BD. Well not as good but atleast they had something. And then they nerf it?

and lol, might aswell be an instant?, ye i'd wish i could move around while taunting. Would make life a hell lot easier.

 

[Vladamir]

Strong whine.

I like it

 

[Ffade]

lolololol Bainshee's

 

[Belomar]

if your healers/clerics are half decent and have di you wont die in stun duration anyways. so if you die, maybe blame your healers instead the class that killed you.....

Most stupid argument ever, I am sure you know as well as I do that in a FG fight, there are a billion other variables that play a role. Stun indisputably comes in useful when handling enemy casters and support. Overpowered? Not more than many other things in DAoC.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Mentas should get unresistable charm if of high enough light spec and switch stormlord for convoker so they get ml9 on pet. Its just ridiculous that sorcs can ml9 but mentas can't.
.

if they change it so they only are able to charm yellow it would be a fair change, but seeing a high rr run around with a red con pet that can be ML 9'd would be inzane (or give em both so they can charm yellow passive, and higher with a pulse and only ML 9 the passive charm ? )


- but isn't menta's getting convoker as third ML line btw ?



but about the balance...

they should either remove Banelord from BD's or make the reuse timer on the body debuff and lifetap higher, that class just have too much interupts

Theurgists, I dono how they can balance the class, maybe make a cap of pet amount they can have out at the same time like animists have with shrooms ?

and bainshees UI taunt was freaking OP, if the bainshee keep spamming that taunt on u, then u are forced to MoC to do your job, - and he can still nuke some1 else if he fast at targeting around etc

Edit: they could have lowered the range to 1500 or so and it would have helped a lot aswell

 

[Brackus]

It wont kill the bainshee at all, its a stupid move by mythic imo tho, it does however mean that spell will be probably removed from my qbar now tho, well at least now they might think about nerfing thurgs and bd's, give bd's a castable debuff / lifetap and make thurgs petspam 1500 range ^^

 

[Dorin]

so what options hibs have now as in an interrupt monster toon compared to wankdancer - Spampheturgist ?

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

so what options hibs have now as in an interrupt monster toon compared to wankdancer - Spampheturgist ?

Teh Shroom of doom !

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Most stupid argument ever, I am sure you know as well as I do that in a FG fight, there are a billion other variables that play a role. Stun indisputably comes in useful when handling enemy casters and support. Overpowered? Not more than many other things in DAoC.

/Agree with belomar xianghu - youre not presenting anything like a factual argument.

Youre unable to QC/Insta/Melee them to interrupt for 9-11 seconds - i'd say thats OP regardless. Dont even try and compare a stun to a mezz/root/snare.

Heres a situation for you - fairly common in a fg-fg fight:
Some facts this is based on:
A lurikeen caster with hard capped dex pumps out about a nuke a second roughly.

If a healer is interrupted its going to be 2-3 seconds before they can heal again barring MoC or in the case of a Ment, quickcast for example (ment heals LOL i know), longer if someone is spamming interrupts on them.

Most people can survive 4 nukes with spec resists up if not 5-6.

So against spec resists a luri caster can dump out 1500 in just over 3 seconds. Lets say 1 healer is interrupted - 1500 in 3 seconds for the other healer (assuming a group is running 2 healers of some kind) is not unachieveable if its a groups main healer - in fact its definately doable. (for the purpose of this im assuming the healer doesn't have MoC at a usable level or its down)

Now lets say both healers are interrupted just before the nuking starts. As said the target itself is powerless (if purge is down) to prevent itself being nuked, so its reliant on healing/interrupts from the groupmates. The groupmate interrupt is too varied a thing to include within this situation so for now lets talk about healing only. This now means (assuming 2-3 to either clear the interrupt timer or counter-interrupt the interrupter then heal). So in that time your group-mate has sustained 1500 damage. Thats a dead caster right there. Another 2 seconds and it's enough to kill most classes even fully buffed.

Thats not even accounting for debuffs / lack of spec resists / additional damage from assist train /debuffs etc etc.

My point is no class with extremely heavy DPS should have a stun it doesn't have to spec for - for example how pissed would you lot be if they doubled the delve on the minstrel DD's then mate our stun baseline? Point made i think...
Alternatively, Fire wiz (the old kind) with baseline stun anyone? Yeah...Thought not.

 

[swords]

Err...Theurgists CAN BE INTERUPTED in any of the following ways:

NS
Focus NS
bolt
DD
Disease
Mez
Root
Amnesia
BLs
Melee
DOT
snare
illusionary weapon procs
Zo pets
ML10 belt pet
animist pets
ML9 pets
normal pets

 

[Shike]

no shit, really?

 

[swords]

Yeah! im amazed Hibs are whining about theurgist nerfs/balancing
Sure it can petspam but none of its spells are UI so it can be dealt with.
BD's still have insta which cant realy be interupted unless it is stunned/mezzed

 

[Valgyr]

Yeah! im amazed Hibs are whining about theurgist nerfs

No they are wajning about bainshee nerfs

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Whats all this nerf theurgist crap? you dont need UI taunt to lockdown a theurgist for crying out loud, the pets are not insta or uninteruptable casting Hib has plenty of tools to deal with the petspam without the UI taunt.

Yep - most of the good bards mezz them, good druids will root them then you can just run away, and 1pb, perhaps 2 max will flatten them completley. S'really not that hard to deal with - problem is you try and treat them like other group pets and kite them - i see it happen almost every fight in rvr - someone tries to kite a nuking pet - just scream "pb/mezz my target" and problem solved combined with (after 2-3 repeats) one fustrated theurgist who's probably resorted to nuking...