1.72G Ranger and Hunter love

[Haldar]

and mastery of archery cuts down ur dmg afaik.

no.

 

[enigma]

Enigma: I would answer u, but i dotn have time to answer u when u only trying to laugh and nothing more..

"Originally Posted by Yadeniel
I played a scout(MAYBE IN EMAIN OF??), i have a scout for BG , and played it a lot in gorre. I know the game and i know the scout. "

And u answer...

"You do NOT know the scout just by playing on gorre, lol"

Finished reading ur post after that

No you didn't. You stop to respond to the rest because you have no answer that would support your opinion.

Did you read my post and found NOTHING but me laughing at you? Which post is that? The only thing I am sort of laughing at is you pretending to know the scout class when your responses obviously shows you do not know sufficient to conclude like you do.

The rest of the post has nothing but facts that you aren't able to say against, which makes it easier for you to just point to some sarcastic remark on my side and stop responding to the facts I DO post.

Palan: There isnt a bow RA to fire faster i think? just a question, that isnt DPS?.

Mastery of archery in PRE NF. It is removed in NF.

And about drawn time, braggats bow let u shoot for 2sec, and excellent dmg, a scout telled me that a long time ago.
370dex? u celt? dex cap?..

Rangers' braggarts bow is pretty low speed, so low damage. It's not the same speed as scouts. Though Scouts won't get much below 3s crit with it, when logging the shots to get the exact drawtime.

Censi: We are speaking about bow dmg there, and that guy was awesome there and we all know scouts are really gimped in melee .

But we wtfpwn RR9 NS and SB's?

 

[enigma]

Nerf i cant log bb now
I will answer u.

I always see where are archers checking the arrows in my body...
Face usually dont work, and pets have some agro range, so if they are far away than that range , u can face em and ur pet wont attack em.
Get decent armor, template, and if a caster escape from ur range before die... delete Y E S pls

Dotn attack em? lol, that is ur answer to base stun hib mages?


Omg, enough for me, i got tired. Btw, what class u play? ...

If face doesn't work on an archer just RUN THE OPPOSITE WAY, you are close to his rangelimit. Perhaps I shouldn't reveal such tactics. :/

If you actually believe that no caster or character can run out of range of an archer and survive you should delete tbh.

This more than anything shows how lacking your experience is. Your posts reveal how much experience you have with an archer, I don't care too much about how long you say you have played one when it doesn't even resemble how it really is.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't attack hib mages, but attacking them without having purge up isn't a sure thing. Unless they are unbuffed, low rr or smth. Scout.

edit: hail of blows is gone in NF too.

 

[Yadeniel]

nerf edit timer.

Mastery of Archery is the main speed increase ability which all archers can get.

LOl, who is the nob here? u are an archer and u tried to explain and laugh at me with the RA thing and u got wtfpwnd by urself, maybe u are the one who have to stick to ur class.

 

[Yadeniel]

As someone has already said the time if says for firing is rounded down so a 2.9s draw time would be written as 2s.

Nobody can fire Braggarts every 2s (without rapid firing which halves damage).

That Ayuko video is impressive but it was a collection of successful attacks.



So? I've been PA'd by Varg for 1450. I've been completely killed by many a caster in about 3s. Scout damage is nothing special, not that it's gimped either.

Varg = 50CS, 2hand wpn. That is SB, not the assassins PA

 

[Yadeniel]

LoL.. you just proved my point there.

"Hello? i have a caby, and i killed a hunter rr7 when i was at 2% and he wasted full life and IP"

try compare that to a spiritmaster and you'll see what i meant.

An SM will do the same and better, the pet intercept a lot of dmg, and if the pet is full buffed it will die before the caster
Still with the pet mezzed (no intercepting) he can take off 1st with 2hitting him. So... what?

 

[Yadeniel]

dont see a point - as this talk wont change anything.

Yep, that is the reason i dont answer and red Enigma´s posts. And thinking in stop posting in this thread too

 

[Yadeniel]

and mastery of archery cuts down ur dmg afaik.

aussie, i actualy got to shoot slytale for 1028 in a duel... but vs spec AF etc our dmg won't get as close to ur 50+20bow i guess
does 5more bow spec won't be that much more dmg, compared to the usefull more CD or pierce i could get.

and ye, i'm celt without +25dex cap never intend to be the "sniper".

off to work now, and keep this thread going, always puts a smile on my face when i read thru this

U said u critshotted an Sb for 900 cap, so.. he had af spec too?.

U are a celt without 25dex cap, never intend to be the sniper, so why u say archers do bad dmg with bow when u never care about ur bow and "the snipe" temp.

 

[Yadeniel]

last thing

Enigma, didnt read ur posts soz, maybe if u try to rly read my posts and not put words on my mouth which i didnt say , i will answer, and if u leave that objetive of try to show archers sucks, and infils are gods when u rly dont have any reason. U just create the reason.


Btw, Mats post was rly fun

 

[Matmardigan]

nerf edit timer.
Mastery of Archery is the main speed increase ability which all archers can get.

LOl, who is the nob here? u are an archer and u tried to explain and laugh at me with the RA thing and u got wtfpwnd by urself, maybe u are the one who have to stick to ur class.

ur still the noob u idiot.

1 abality is passive and can get by all Archers MoA, the other ability is active and cant get by all archers HoB.

ur an idiot which played 5 minutes an Scout on an test server and u think u know the char

 

[Aussie]

you all suck.

 

[Aussie]

he is the best

 

[-Palan-]

god, how can someone be as stupid as u.

mat was speaking about 2different RAs!!! mastery of archery, wich needs aug qui for it as pre req, and HoB that scout only RA.

and wtf do we still have to talk about our dmg? should be more than clear to u by now that we don't the uber dmg u think we do.

fookin noob playing a scout for a few mins and in BG and knows nothing about them.

aussie ur the best

 

[Phule_Gubben]

An SM will do the same and better, the pet intercept a lot of dmg, and if the pet is full buffed it will die before the caster
Still with the pet mezzed (no intercepting) he can take off 1st with 2hitting him. So... what?

lots of If there, and yet again you fail to see my point.

1. Not all SM's are darkness specced for LT nukes

2. This thread is still about archers and as far as i know a archer will pretty much kill any mystic that hasn't got MoC or a pet that can attack from range.

You said yourself that you started off with 2% hp and managed to kill a rr7 hunter. plz enlighten me how any sm would do that too. but i guess you can't since you still fail to see the point.

 

[enigma]

last thing

Enigma, didnt read ur posts soz, maybe if u try to rly read my posts and not put words on my mouth which i didnt say , i will answer, and if u leave that objetive of try to show archers sucks, and infils are gods when u rly dont have any reason. U just create the reason.


Btw, Mats post was rly fun

I have never put words in your mouth. You will not find one single sentence in ANY of my posts that puts words in your mouth. However you have put words in MY mouth in this thread, claiming that I said things I didn't, because YOU misunderstood.

I have disproved nearly every single point you have put forth.

Your ignorant posts are being disproved which you have no counter against. You are just stopping to post because you have no idea of what you are talking about, thus you can't reply with any facts. Archers don't suck, but they sure as hell don't own the way you try to put forward.

In one post you say that scouts can melee down RR9 SB's and NS's without zephyr, in the other post you say that everyone knows that scout melee sucks? lol

Your posts are PACKED with errors and exaggerations. You are simply wrong, but you seem to stubborn to admit that.

 

[enigma]

Yep, that is the reason i dont answer and red Enigma´s posts. And thinking in stop posting in this thread too

You are right, it won't change anything.. to let you know how the game works is just as easy as trying to throw a tennisball so it sticks into a concrete wall.

 

[-Palan-]

You are right, it won't change anything.. to let you know how the game works is just as easy as trying to throw a tennisball so it sticks into a concrete wall.

true, sad... but true

 

[evial bloodstone]

my ranger attaced a infi whit bow, got him down to 20% then i hade to go melee. Hi evaded most of my attacs and when i hit him i did about 100 damage. I manage to kill the infi whit about 15% hp left
my ranger got 414 dex 295 quick 50 bow and 44 pierce. His using legendery cold. That dont sound overpower to me, but i might be wrong

Used TS to see the stealther btw

 

[Haldar]

my ranger got 414 dex 295 quick 50 bow and 44 pierce. His using legendery cold

/clap

infi leather has natural 10% resistance to cold.

 

[evial bloodstone]

/clap

infi leather has natural 10% resistance to cold.

So that whod have made the dame about 110 if it did not. Yea i can see that whod help alot

 

[Kinad]

So that whod have made the dame about 110 if it did not. Yea i can see that whod help alot

A high melee specced ranger aint that far behind an assasin in pure melee damage output. If high rr with IP/AP up he will win a lot of pure melee fights,
and he sure as hell will win if he gets first strike, unless his completely gimped.

 

[evial bloodstone]

A high melee specced ranger aint that far behind an assasin in pure melee damage output. If high rr with IP/AP up he will win a lot of pure melee fights,
and he sure as hell will win if he gets first strike, unless his completely gimped.

Im sure that is true, but i dont see that uber damage whit 44 pierce tho. But i whant uber bow damage so i dont have Ip, but i got falcons eye and dex. So only time i whant to see a assasins is when i use TS.

 

[Raven]

my ranger attaced a infi whit bow, got him down to 20% then i hade to go melee. Hi evaded most of my attacs and when i hit him i did about 100 damage. I manage to kill the infi whit about 15% hp left
my ranger got 414 dex 295 quick 50 bow and 44 pierce. His using legendery cold. That dont sound overpower to me, but i might be wrong

Used TS to see the stealther btw

you also lose dps due to having 295 quick afaik

 

[Aussie]

you also lose dps due to having 295 quick afaik

lose? (wtf)

 

[Aloca]

lose? (wtf)

There was some test that claimed overcaped qui lowered dmg was some time ago.
If the test was correct it showed that qui in the calculations for speed was capped at 250 But Qui in the dmg calculations didnt have cap.
But i remember it was something weird with the test.

 

[Haldar]

they say however that qui is hardcapped at 250+ur augqui level....never seen any tests on it.

imo getting more than 250 qui is a waste for any class.

 

[censi]

A high melee specced ranger aint that far behind an assasin in pure melee damage output. If high rr with IP/AP up he will win a lot of pure melee fights,

Sure, rangers can be identical.

if you take a ranger with 50 poke and 50 CD
and a nightshade with 50 poke and 50 cd

They will do the same damage calculations when they hit (providing dex and str are the same for poke based, and they are the same RR, and have no difference in melee RA's that effect damage)

However. Ns will have str/con debuff plus dot maybe and NS will have 50% evade rate. AP could maybe counter the Dot. but the s/c debuff lowers WS and damage output and lowers HP. Factor in you will get diamondbacked first, you will get outdamaged completly. To the point that even with IP you could loose (depends). I dont often loose 1v1 to enemy assasin if IP is up, but it can happen against higher RR infs and SB's.

Saying that luck plays a big part in duels V NS. With my hybrib spec if I get off to a good start I win a fair few outright. But duels are much different to when you RVR.

Also infs are a different kettle of fish they just seem to do far more damage.

Ranger really lack melee defense even though they can do decent hunters. its not untill you have the luxoury of high realm rank RA's, ml's, and good toa /use2's (som and winged helm spring to mind) that a ranger goes into mellee without preplanning his escape route!

tbh a poison bot on a ranger could be nasty though. In NF then your be like a non CS assasin (aka teh fotm) with uber stealth detection, higher absorb, IP, purge, winged helm style reduction charge, FZ, phaseshift, side stun and comparivly gimped evade rates as the only negative.

Im still considering going full melee spec, but I like the idea of keep sniping so hybrid maybe the best compramise.

 

[Chadalonius]

Quickness is definitely hard capped at 250, never heard anything about going over it reduced DPS but it a waste.

 

[Arnor]

saw a couple of tests by some us-dudes that having high quick lowered your dps over time actually.

how much weight you can put in those tests and results is another matter entirely

 

[Yadeniel]

You are right, it won't change anything.. to let you know how the game works is just as easy as trying to throw a tennisball so it sticks into a concrete wall.

I will answer this one.



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