Your daily terrorist bullshit.

[Bodhi]

Mostly because it doesn't actually help us solve the problem of dickheads blowing themselves up.

But then I would suggest if we want to figure out why we are being targeted, it's probably best to speak to the dickheads themselves.


https://capx.co/want-to-know-why-the-terrorists-hate-us-jeremy-just-ask-them/

 

[old.user4556]

That article has a lot of fail in it.

 

[Talivar]

How would you solve the problem Bodhi?

 

[Bodhi]

That article has a lot of fail in it.

Seeing as most of it is a quote from ISIS themselves, I'm all ears as to why?

 

[Bodhi]

How would you solve the problem Bodhi?

If I knew that, I would probably be working for MI5 right now. However to me it's fairly clear that you can't do it by either peace and love or banning all brown people from entering the UK.

So I dunno, maybe rather than trying to bring partisan politics into it with a side order of "I told you so", we just had a grown up conversation about it?

 

[Talivar]

You seem on the same lines as Corbyn then as he keeps saying one of his goals is to sit down and have these conversations to try and find a better and longer lasting solution

 

[old.user4556]

Seeing as most of it is a quote from ISIS themselves, I'm all ears as to why?

As an immediate example:

If Christian extremists carried out terror attacks over abortion and gay marriage would we blame ourselves and say they might have a point? My guess is we would blame them and double down on the principle that our laws are determined by the democratic process, not by terrorist intimidation.

That sentence alone postulates that there's no Christian extremism over abortion, which is clearly flying bollocks - granted it's not on the same scale as Islamic extremism, but it's present and "home grown" nonetheless. For those who don't want to click through:

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[12] 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[13] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 15] Between 1997 and 1990 77 death threats were made with 250 made between 1991 and 1999 .[12] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 1][I 16][I 17] IN 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity.

 

[Bodhi]

To be fair if Corbyn got in terrorist attacks would end overnight.

Mostly because he's mates with most of them.

 

[Bodhi]

As an immediate example:



That sentence alone postulates that there's no Christian extremism over abortion, which is clearly flying bollocks - granted it's not on the same scale as Islamic extremism, but it's present and "home grown" nonetheless. For those who don't want to click through:

Cool story. And those quotes from ISIS themselves saying our foreign policy isn't the main reason in the slightest? Did you skip past that?

Oh, and I'm noticing a lack of deaths in that list. Hmm?

 

[old.user4556]

Cool story. And those quotes from ISIS themselves saying our foreign policy isn't the main reason in the slightest? Did you skip past that?

Oh, and I'm noticing a lack of deaths in that list. Hmm?

I'm the harshest critic of Islam. The Koran mandates death to infidels which ISIS take literally, so they're clearly going to tow the company line when asked about it. They're never going to say "you guys are off the hook, you didn't bomb the middle east so you're cool, you didn't get involved, so you're OK" - I still don't think that a) excuses the west for their interjection in the middle east and b) puts the entire blame at Islam's door. It's a much more complex issue than a single root cause, something that our intervention isn't helping.

Strip it back to it's most basics - Islam insists on killing non-Muslims. Is that what we're saying is the single, only root cause?

 

[Bodhi]

I would say, when talking about their particular interpretation of Islam, then that is the main cause, yes. They hate our way of life, end of.

 

[old.user4556]

I would say, when talking about their particular interpretation of Islam, then that is the main cause, yes. They hate our way of life, end of.

Where do you draw the line though? That's my issue with religion in general, one cannot simply pick and choose the nice bits and ignore the bad bits. You're either a Muslim, or you're not.

 

[Bodhi]

Where do you draw the line though? That's my issue with religion in general, one cannot simply pick and choose the nice bits and ignore the bad bits. You're either a Muslim, or you're not.

See I disagree, as millions of Muslims and Christians do that every day. It's the extremists, of any sky fairy persuasion that cause the issues. And it's those we need to combat.

 

[Tom]

Where do you draw the line though? That's my issue with religion in general, one cannot simply pick and choose the nice bits and ignore the bad bits. You're either a Muslim, or you're not.

Religious texts are always open to interpretation, no matter who reads them, so what you've just written isn't correct. They're not books that state facts, they're collections of tales and vague instructions that aren't completely clear.

 

[old.user4556]

See I disagree, as millions of Muslims and Christians do that every day.

Therefore they're hypocrites.

so what you've just written isn't correct

From the inside view of religion, of course it isn't correct. From an atheists outside view (such as my own), it is. Islam (and religion) to me is a massive pick-n-mix of utter fallacy, proven falsities and archaic hocus-pocus bollocks. The Koran is full of documented hatred, war, rape, murder, incitement to murder (yes yes, as is the Bible) - you can't just say "oh I don't believe in those bits because they don't suit my personal agenda, but this bit here about virigns and eternal paradise? OH I LIKE THAT" without being called a massive two-faced hypocrite retard. We need to stop this apologist attitude towards Islam.

 

[DaGaffer]

If someone wants to be a religious zealot and go off to set up something like ISIS, you're not going to stop them; their brains are built to run the religious fuckbag meme and that's that. However, ISIS on their own aren't the main problem, the world has had fundamentalists of every stripe since forever. The real problem is twofold:

1. There is a ready pool of cannon fodder willing to die for Allah, and while western policies may not be the motivator for ISIS leadership, they are part of the motivation for the western kids who run off to Syria. Radicalising kids needs some fertile ground, and we're supplying it, at least for some of them, and that fertile ground is being tended by Imams funded by the worst country in the world, which leads to the next point;

2. Everyone knows why ISIS is even possible, and its because one country has been allowed to create and grow fundamentalist Islamic movements across the world, and no-one in power dares address it. Saudi Arabia is literally the root of all evil when it comes to fundamentalism. The answer from the west has been to prop up the House of Saud, who released fundamentalist Wahhabism on to the world and then found it coming back to bite them when Wahhabi imams realised solid gold Rolls-Royces don't really fit with the whole "turn the clock back to the dark ages" thing. Problem is that even now, there are large elements of the Saudi government who are fighting a cold war against Shia Iran even as their own creations, Sunni radicals, turn on them.

So, what do we do? Nuke Saudi Arabia? Its too late. The djinni is well out of the bottle now.

 

[TdC]

Strip it back to it's most basics - Islam insists on killing non-Muslims. Is that what we're saying is the single, only root cause?

Sigh. No it doesn't. The sword verses are rediculously, extremely, specific about what they are about. They discribe the situation to which they refer in great detail. You want vague, ambiguous, horrible death? Look ye to the old testament. Any christian scholar will immidiately tell you you're brimming with the bad brain AIDS, the moment you quote the bible out of context, just like any iman would when you did the same to the Quran.

 

[Moriath]

Uk alert satus back down to severe.

 

[Scouse]

Uk alert satus back down to severe.

They getting rid of the armed cops then?

 

[BloodOmen]

They getting rid of the armed cops then?

after the weekend they say.

 

[old.user4556]

Sigh. No it doesn't. The sword verses are rediculously, extremely, specific about what they are about. They discribe the situation to which they refer in great detail. You want vague, ambiguous, horrible death? Look ye to the old testament. Any christian scholar will immidiately tell you you're brimming with the bad brain AIDS, the moment you quote the bible out of context, just like any iman would when you did the same to the Quran.

Quoting made up lies out of context? Given the fact the Koran was fabricated by a sand dwelling ignorant retard, why are you always such an apologist for it? Would you like me to quote bits of the Koran directly as examples for you?

 

[DaGaffer]

Where do you draw the line though? That's my issue with religion in general, one cannot simply pick and choose the nice bits and ignore the bad bits. You're either a Muslim, or you're not.

There were branches of Islam, e.g Sufism, that got the whole pluralism and religious tolerance thing long before Christianity got around to it, but Sunni Islam in particular has been hijacked by Wahhabism.

The nearest analogy would be if the Puritans under Oliver Cromwell had all the money and had managed to export banning Christmas to the whole of Europe.

 

[old.user4556]

There were branches of Islam, e.g Sufism, that got the whole pluralism and religious tolerance thing long before Christianity got around to it, but Sunni Islam in particular has been hijacked by Wahhabism.

The nearest analogy would be if the Puritans under Oliver Cromwell had all the money and had managed to export banning Christmas to the whole of Europe.

Maybe it's time Islam had a "new world hipster millennial" reinvention .

 

[TdC]

Quoting made up lies out of context? Given the fact the Koran was fabricated by a sand dwelling ignorant retard, why are you always such an apologist for it? Would you like me to quote bits of the Koran directly as examples for you?

you don't have to be mean about it and I am not being an apologist for anything.

there are things written in many an old book which, in the current light of day, are frankly ridiculous. there is also a shitload of common sense, like washing or cleaning your hands before a meal. you never hear anyone railing on the fact that both the bible and the quaran dedicate many a verse to fucking personal hygiene. "our hand washing ritual is the one true way, filthy infidels!"

my point is that if you're going to reference anything with regards to doing violence, then reference with context and try to understand what was meant. not just the juicy bits that suit your purpose because you feel like bashing something. you can do that without becoming a god-botherer you know.

 

[old.user4556]

you don't have to be mean about it and I am not being an apologist for anything.

there are things written in many an old book which, in the current light of day, are frankly ridiculous. there is also a shitload of common sense, like washing or cleaning your hands before a meal. you never hear anyone railing on the fact that both the bible and the quaran dedicate many a verse to fucking personal hygiene. "our hand washing ritual is the one true way, filthy infidels!"

my point is that if you're going to reference anything with regards to doing violence, then reference with context and try to understand what was meant. not just the juicy bits that suit your purpose because you feel like bashing something. you can do that without becoming a god-botherer you know.

I'm not being mean about it at all mate, I'll happily fight my corner over the absurdity of religion, especially Islam, also:

not just the juicy bits that suit your purpose

That is exactly what religious followers do! Did you read my bit about "pick-n-mix" attitudes of religious nutters? So let me propose this: if it's stuff "written in many an old book", why bother even following it all?

This whole discussion is absurd, we're taking about an ancient fallacy.

On a separate note, I'll leave this here for everyone's own personal assessment and opinion:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap7FLVc0mVo

 

[Gwadien]

@Big G I think it's cultural more than anything, many of the cultures where Islam stems are inherently backward, so I don't believe it's the religion itself it's the areas.

I mean Europe has only relatively recently got out of the whole killing for religion stuff.

I think these areas should be targeted on a global scale and to see how you can tackle it at grass roots level and politically destabilise the top of it.

It's a discussion with compromise. If you assault it head on all guns blazing then you're going to create what ISIS originally set out to do.

Work with other Muslim Governments and fund their anti-extremism moves, use the UN to protect democracy in new countries and demand to support them through the early years - using the UN cooperating with the Arab League etc.

But this would mean pretty much telling Saudi Arabia to fuck off. So let's find another plan!

 

[Job]

China will take over the world...Chinese will round them all up and shoot them, job done.

 

[Raven]

The reason we have pretty much binned religion in the west is that it isn't needed any more. We don't need it to create social cohesion. It will come to them too at some point but it won't be over night and unlikely in our life time.
Moderate muslims are no worse than Christians in the mentally ill department, you cannot just tell them their gods do not exist. People are indoctrinated from an early age, they are wired to believe in something that is fiction. I think we have a few round here don't we? Regardless of how absurd the idea of a creator or dude that over looks and judges us is, they genuinely think it exists.

Frankly if that is how they deal with stuff then fine, so long as they don't wave it in my face.

 

[Gwadien]

The political spin on this is hilarious;

Manchester terrorist Salman Abedi's bomb was put together for £66

'Libyan-born solicitor Mr El Wafi'

'Landlord Aimen El Wafi, 38, rented out the pad in Blackley, Manchester, via Gumtree. Abedi paid around £700 in cash to stay for around six weeks before leaving in April.'

 

[TdC]

quality newspaper report there. also our friendly neighborhood job likely masturbates while reading the comments