WoW Paradise..

[Hansmoleman]

Dorin - your view of DAOC vs. WOW is only valid if you only want to do RvR/PvP. And the vast majority of players do not only want to do that.

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and his view is only if you wanna wtfpwn EVERYTHING in sight, no need to get artifacts you dont need them they help but arent neccessary, pve'ing a grind? how on earth are you all doing it then quests are thier but ppl choose to ignore them

 

[Sharma]

ehhh WoW has just been released and there are level 60s alraedy? Oo

Which is another reason why I dont think WoW will last.

If you can hit that level so quickly, the "High-end content" will be all done and dusted within a couple of months.

 

[chretien]

DaoC:

You create a new character!

you cant do fuck solo, you are basically on your own till lvl 20, downtime is enermous
cant equip yourself via crafting due to the design of it, cant sell items fast and easy to get some cash
lvl 50 is hard to reach and far far away
nobody pves the normal way, powerleveling or grinding with a bot
after lvl 50 you are rdy for grinding through trials of atlantis!
after that you need to obtain certain artifacts in a retarded system (need artifact encounters, respawn timers ! rox rly)
farm scrolls!!!!!!!11111111
You are ready to enjoy New Frontiers !

w0w:

You create a new character!
Woot you are lvl 25, only time you grped up was for instances and it was fairly easy couse of the communcation system, you are unguilded still!
omigod the grind is alot faster and easier
no fucking pve expansions yet to grind through
You are ready to enjoy the battlegrounds - pvp !

wow is alot newb-friendly compared to daoc. (even if you compare classic daoc pve to wow pve, its 10x times faster and more fun to grind through, even for the 2nd or 3rd time, on same race, same side.)

Why would you play a MMORPG if you want to play solo all the time?
Surely the point of the game is that it encourages you to group with other people, otherwise all characters would have all the abilities so they didn't need to rely on other players in game..

And the 'need artifacts/MLs to go to NF' argument is old now. The majority of people in the frontier don't have high ML abilities or many/any artifacts. There's quite a lot of sub 40 players who can't have them who areplaying in the frontier...

 

[Fana]

Which is another reason why I dont think WoW will last.

If you can hit that level so quickly, the "High-end content" will be all done and dusted within a couple of months.

Well you *can* hit cap within 2 weeks, if you play 12 hours a day and know what you do. But the vast majority wont be 60 until after a couple months or more. Blizzards aim was always that you could get 2 max level characters in a year as a casual player.

Sure, the "elite" players will likely be done with all high end content within a month or so, but the game isnt made for them And if they are lucky the revised pvp system will be out by then anyway.

 

[Garok]

Which is another reason why I dont think WoW will last.

If you can hit that level so quickly, the "High-end content" will be all done and dusted within a couple of months.

Yes but what people fail to see is that in WoW half the fun is getting to 50 when Daoc first started there was no Lyonesse, Dartmoor, Cear Sidi, Krondon, Lyn Barfog (?), or DF, these were all added after. If you just chain kill mobs like Daoc for hours on end get to 60 and find there is no high level content because the development time was spent on 1-55 level content with the high level stuff to come in later when more people are 60, then thats your fault.

High level content is being developed (check the under development page on Web site) so saying the game is finnished when you get to 60 is true at the moment but wont be later.

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

Which is another reason why I dont think WoW will last.

If you can hit that level so quickly, the "High-end content" will be all done and dusted within a couple of months.

Whic is another reason why I am going WoW. The quicker the grind is over the better.

Yes it is possible to have a MMORPG that isn't EverMobs, that has PvP as a focus, that doesn't require 6 versions of each new expansion to compete, that is fresh and new, that doesn't require 6-12 months of mindless teeth grinding tedium just to compete, that doesn't slap long time players in the face with a brand new PvE Wet Herring.

It may not be WoW, but it might be.

 

[Quetz]

WoW looks a lot more tempting than paying to keep my accounts open on a server that is practically a ghost town. Server clustering is gonna hit EU too late to do any good, and after WoW EU release I can see Prydwen population at least halving. Its pretty barren there now, lose some more people to WoW and it won't be worth logging on. Almost everyone I speak to there atm is planning to move to WoW so I think whichever players end up staying will pretty much have the run of the server!

DAoC wasn't balanced at release, some classes were completely broken as well. But give me the choice of playing 'unbalanced DAoC' on an empty server or 'incomplete WoW' on a full server...guess I go for the full server. Whats the point in a MMORPG if someone loses the M's? Bit dramatic? Perhaps, but its that that will make me drop DAoC not any other reason.

 

[Morchaoron]

Why would you play a MMORPG if you want to play solo all the time?
Surely the point of the game is that it encourages you to group with other people, otherwise all characters would have all the abilities so they didn't need to rely on other players in game..

Because even if you cant find groupmates you should still be able to at least play the game decently without having to rest for minutes after each fight, there is a difference between encouraging players to group or practically forcing them to group like in daoc...

this is what i always hated in daoc...

the way i see it: grouping should give you a bonus, instead of soloing giving you a penalty...

 

[Gamah]

Gamah..

you really are a penis :x

This coming from one of the biggest cocks around...

 

[Abel]

when Daoc first started there was no Lyonesse, Dartmoor, Cear Sidi, Krondon, Lyn Barfog (?), or DF, these were all added after.

Lyonesse and Lynn Barfog were in at release. Heck where otherwise we would lvl to 50 ?

About hitting the limit : in DAoC people already hit 50 after 1 month and that with almost no high-lvl content in the game for the first half year or so.

Did they quit ? Quite a few, a lot of the early 50s in DAoC left the game pretty soon after hitting 50.
Did that had any impact in the long-term ? No.

Same will happen in WoW.

 

[Bone_Idle]

Isnt any Sorcs and Reavers in WoW.

Good enough reason for me.


And me and Cornell got our final beta keys yesterday as well. \o/
Now waiting to be let loose.

 

[Boomeruk]

This coming from one of the biggest cocks around...

............usually the ladies who tell me that, but whatever floats you're boat bro :wub:

 

[Hansmoleman]

Because even if you cant find groupmates you should still be able to at least play the game decently without having to rest for minutes after each fight, there is a difference between encouraging players to group or practically forcing them to group like in daoc...

this is what i always hated in daoc...

the way i see it: grouping should give you a bonus, instead of soloing giving you a penalty...

stop trying to chain kill oranges then, the book says blues are best mebbe you should kill 1 only wait for end and your back up

 

[nakkiel]

............usually the ladies who tell me that, but whatever floats you're boat bro :wub:

the models in your mums underwear catalogue speak to you now eh?

 

[cHodAX]

So lets take a look at some of the recent titles of posts on the WoW forums, because its such a perfect game there could not be any whine right?

"Daoc has bad quests with bad rewards"

High Level, End-Game Quest TERRIBLE DESIGN
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=403205&p=1&tmp=1#post403205

"Daoc is an unbalanced game overpowered classes WOW is perfectly balanced"

Good job ignoring the blatant Paladin problem
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=398460&p=1&tmp=1#post398460
Updated Post Blizzard, what is the story with mages?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=392499&p=1&tmp=1#post392499
Why are hunters so OVERPOWERED?!?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=402772&p=1&tmp=1#post402772

Have fun in your balanced game.

Stupid fucking post to be honest Gamah. No game is going to be perfect after 2 weeks live in retail and no one has ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that it isn't a better game than DAoC in some ways though. One thing is for sure though, it doesn't punish new or casual players like DAoC does and even Mythic have acknowledged that by making Catacombs a more friendly experience for those type of players.

 

[Castus]

The hardcore of a game will always feel threatened by the 'latest' mmorpg.Irony is ther ethe same players who tell us to leave DAOC if where not happy with it so surely they would want WOW to be a paradise so we do?

 

[Xeanor]

Gamah has always been dumb, tbh.

 

[Dorin]

Dorin - your view of DAOC vs. WOW is only valid if you only want to do RvR/PvP. And the vast majority of players do not only want to do that.

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all rite i left out the pve fans, soz.
WoW PvE with instanced dungeons and new content each patch will be prolly welcome compared to "pay for the 3 new dungeons" type daoc_pve. Atleast i figured that out so far, maybe untrue. Yes iam more pvp orianted rather then pve, but i dont think current daoc_pve is challenging, fun or whatsoever. Why? well everyone got diff. views on that.

and his view is only if you wanna wtfpwn EVERYTHING in sight, no need to get artifacts you dont need them they help but arent neccessary, pve'ing a grind? how on earth are you all doing it then quests are thier but ppl choose to ignore them

no, but i think ppl like to play on equal levels. To reach that in daoc, you have to waste loads of time on something which is utterly boring for the most of us. (or is camping artifact mobs with idiot arti thieves, crap respawn rate, boring encounters mostly, bugged mls, redoing them for each char bla bla, killing the same mob all over, with the same method for hours and hours for scrolls fun for some ppl?)

Why would you play a MMORPG if you want to play solo all the time?
Surely the point of the game is that it encourages you to group with other people, otherwise all characters would have all the abilities so they didn't need to rely on other players in game..

And the 'need artifacts/MLs to go to NF' argument is old now. The majority of people in the frontier don't have high ML abilities or many/any artifacts. There's quite a lot of sub 40 players who can't have them who areplaying in the frontier...

First: solo pve was just a puny example how the two games pve differs, i thoughts its quite obvious, well seemed not.
Second: did you try daoc on lvl 4 recently? huhum, think not. it sux ballz
Third: yes i have experienced how does grps work after getting some lvl 50 chars using different methods (solo to 50, grp to 50, pl to 50) and collecting some rps, but thanks for telling :_)
TOA argument is here to stay till it is doable without getting fed up with the game itself, or you think those sub lvl 40 - casual 50ish ppl wouldnt get them if they could? yea right.

 

[Voltage]

I <3 Blizzard

 

[Morchaoron]

stop trying to chain kill oranges then, the book says blues are best mebbe you should kill 1 only wait for end and your back up

with my uberstuff and buffbots i can easily chain multiple purples, but for a newbie chaining blues with low budget equipment can be hard (health still drains too fast), not to mention casters without their own power regen, its a bloody hell...

ofc like i mentioned before, for the non-newbie daoc players its not hard at all, they borrow a PL necro or join a 24/7 afk macro-animist group, but its the new players who have to suffer (and are likely to end that suffering by quitting, i know some who did)

 

[Rookiescot]

Yeah I'd be damned if I would play as a n00b these days ...... far too hard to make friends and level.

Same goes for unguilded players even at high level ......

 

[Brilliance]

Gamah,
Those are american forums.
I have 52lvl pala on US retail server, played lots of PvP with LAN friends that play ALL the other classes except shaman(cause its gay horde).

The posts u refer to are just whining americans. I'll give u a brief strong example of what american forums are:

MY PAC HEALER CANNOT SOLO INFILS. INFILS ARE A BROKEN CLASS THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ.

Daoc <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< WoW

Cya WoW or stay DAoC and participate "epic heroic battles"

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[Gamah]

Gamah has always been dumb, tbh.

Oh Mr Xeaonor god..explain to me how linking to a few whine threads on WoW boards is dumb.

Personal flaming of moi in a thread which is showing the other side of WoW...you are clearly an intelligent being

 

[Gamah]

Gamah,
Those are american forums.
I have 52lvl pala on US retail server, played lots of PvP with LAN friends that play ALL the other classes except shaman(cause its gay horde).

The posts u refer to are just whining americans. I'll give u a brief strong example of what american forums are:

MY PAC HEALER CANNOT SOLO INFILS. INFILS ARE A BROKEN CLASS THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ.

Daoc <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< WoW

Cya WoW or stay DAoC and participate "epic heroic battles"

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In your opinion.

 

[Gamah]

Stupid fucking post to be honest Gamah. No game is going to be perfect after 2 weeks live in retail and no one has ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that it isn't a better game than DAoC in some ways though. One thing is for sure though, it doesn't punish new or casual players like DAoC does and even Mythic have acknowledged that by making Catacombs a more friendly experience for those type of players.

Its been "fucking" said all over these boards of the last few months or at least suggested that its this way. I never said Daoc was inviting for the casual player..infact no where in this "fucking" thread did I say thing about how the game plays for casuals.

I will probably be trying out WoW myself but it has been hyped and hyped on these boards I and many others are sick and tired of the fanbois who wanna make everyones daoc game more fucking misrable "daoc is dead" a famous quote..

Typical though I post something remotly anti WoW and the fanbois are round this thread like flies to shit, with there horde (pun intended) of personal insults..sure I can't wait to join the "friendly" WoW community.

 

[Andrilyn]

Well Gamah it's the same as when those other RPG's got released people went like: "If you keep playing DAoC you will be playing in an empty server soon!" things like that, well seeing as when for example SWG was released I didn't notice any decrease in numbers, there might have been but I didn't notice much at all.
I also don't think you can say WoW > DAoC or DAoC > WoW or something like that as it's based of everyones personal opinion, some people actually like WoW (or think they will like it) others just want something new.

I for one wont be playing WoW though, seeing as it's made by Blizzard and really got frustrated by it's PvE system (yes I know people say it's so much better than DAoC's PvE system, which I also don't like much I might add, but WoW's PvE is just horrid in my opinion) and of course you will be playing on Bnet which is another down side for me seeing the amount of abuse, rascism and other stuff that goes around there 24/7.

But in the end it will probably not even matter which game people are going to play, of course you will lose some friends who will decide to go play WoW or keep playing DAoC.
I don't think WoW will have such an impact on DAoC as people are currently saying in each and every thread (starting to get boring seeing that in each and every thread..).
Hope WoW will be released soon though then people will probably go spam the WoW board instead of posting WoW > DAoC in each and every thread..

 

[Quetz]

Well Gamah it's the same as when those other RPG's got released people went like: "If you keep playing DAoC you will be playing in an empty server soon!" things like that, well seeing as when for example SWG was released I didn't notice any decrease in numbers, there might have been but I didn't notice much at all.

Valid comment, but if you look at the US numbers for the past 3 months you'll see that they've lost around 1/3rd of their active players in that time and most of those were lost from low population servers. Its not unreasonable to assume that since we are 3 months behind them patchwise we can expect to see the same trend here. Mythic aren't considering server clustering 'for kicks' its an attempt to solve a very real problem of underpopulated servers. I'm not a WoW fanboi, in fact I never intended to even consider playing it, but when a US server with 1800 players primetime 3 months ago now has 800 (or less) primetime now it makes you wonder what Prydwen is going to look like in 3 months time.

Whether you want to accept the fact or not, DAoC has a few very rough months ahead and (imo) GOA need to be proactive about it and get Pryd and Excal clustered asap, otherwise they will be clustering 2 fairly empty servers and end up with a fairly empty server. Fact is if the servers become too empty, more players will start leaving, I know I will if they get too bad and I'm sure there are others like me.

 

[Gamah]

Although I like your outlook And, however WoW will affect Daoc quite a bit, and that fine many old skoolers don't like that game how it is now.

The main problem is they want to hang around here and flame a game they don't even play anymore. Whilst proclaiming an alternate product has no glitches, when in fact it has many just like every other game. The real test will be if Blizzard will listen to thier customers or another diablo 2 will occer.

 

[Daedalus]

Agreed. WoW won't be able to replace DAoC for quite a while.
Personally, I know I'll be playing WoW when it's out here, but only because I'm bored of DAoC. Once I'm bored of WoW, I'll be playing DAoC again. That's just the way it works for me.

 

[Revz]

In general, players view all their subsequent virtual worlds in the light cast from their first one. They will demand that features from their first world be added to their current world, even if those very features were partly responsible for why they left the first world. They'll say they hate treadmills, but if their first experience was in a virtual world with treadmills, then they'll gravitate towards other virtual worlds with treadmills, all the while still hating them.

For a lot of people posting here DAoC was the first MMOG they played for any length of time and that is biasing their view of other games. It is worth reading the full article that quote comes from:

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20041103/bartle_01.shtml