Worth Reactivating Bainshee or Minstrel?

[Gamah]

Wtf beeing harsh first, then asking for cash :|

Tis the Severance way!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Rejecta is a lurikeen :<

Aye, I shivered when I thought about Luris doing it that's why I said Elf!

 

[Davejohnson]

So your aware ES ns is focus right? = unpurgable, interruptable ability. If you think es is poiuntless then fine, but dont expect me to agree wiht you

so sorc sprints, mocs or qc mez/lifetap and wins.

 

[Tuthmes]

so sorc sprints, mocs or qc mez/lifetap and wins.

Why do people forget the ml9 pet in this equasion? Ns = pet aggro aswell, which is another thing the bainshee has to wurry about. Nuking it down takes time, not much, but it does.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

That focus gets sometimes resisted and if you do something else it drops too.

 

[pinkey]

Why would you stand in front of a sorc while its moc life tapping you?

Unless you have forgotten the util of bainshee, you have focus ns, also the ability of every class kite its very simple

Funny that, when i played my rr3 sorc i managed to nuke you to death with no pet and no moc

 

[Brackus]

Funny that, when i played my rr3 sorc i managed to nuke you to death with no pet and no moc

yey to adding!

 

[cmr]

Funny that, when i played my rr3 sorc i managed to nuke you to death with no pet and no moc

with the other 5 sorcs no doubt

and probabaly some wizzies too

and di bots

 

[Vodkafairy]

focus ns doesn't give immunity tho, but either way, sorc will win over a bainshee any day of the week. jump or not.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

focus ns doesn't give immunity tho, but either way, sorc will win over a bainshee any day of the week. jump or not.

I agree that the Sorc has more advantages and that a Sorc will usually win vs a Bainshee, but "any day of the week. jump or not." is just, excuse my language, bullshit.

A caster has 1500-1600 hit points, a Bainshee can do that damage in 2-3 nukes.

Sure, I can play super safe on Sorc and run with clear horizon at clip range all the time, but that's not the point, if I don't see an enemy caster coming and am a bit on slow on countering, it's just over.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

with the other 5 sorcs no doubt

and probabaly some wizzies too

and di bots

Just like you kill enemies on Brite with Pip, Henning and some other dudes stuck to you then .

 

[Vodkafairy]

Sure, I can play super safe on Sorc and run with clear horizon at clip range all the time, but that's not the point, if I don't see an enemy caster coming and am a bit on slow on countering, it's just over.

I was talking about sorcs with a clue in general, not you personally.

In almost every single situation you will see the caster before he lands his first nuke, and if you don't, last attacker + face + doubledexdebuff + qc mez or lifetap and you win. Moc if you have to. Run out of range + ml9 pet if you have to.

With 26% body + champ resist a bainshee really won't 2shot a caster and in most cases not even 3shot.

 

[Marc]

yey to adding!

lols

Before you found ebay, your only rps came through adding

 

[Brackus]

lols

Before you found ebay, your only rps came through adding

eh?
subedai 8Lx to 10L6

the other chars in my sig all my rps, get a clue (whoever you are mr random)

 

[Maeloch]

Was on for the first time in ages over the weekend, apart from been a bit rusty solo action seems pretty nice atm tbh. Much less of this retarded duel circle stuff on one extreme and endless humping own bridge on the other. Keep situation fluid, so patrol zones changing a bit, stuff moving about - much better than how stale it was a few months back.

Dunno about grp stuff, looked like nothing much happening at all. Think hib struggles to put a single balanced grp out. Bit hard to judge when ur lurking about under a bridge tho. I'd give the mincer a crack.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I was talking about sorcs with a clue in general, not you personally.

In almost every single situation you will see the caster before he lands his first nuke, and if you don't, last attacker + face + doubledexdebuff + qc mez or lifetap and you win. Moc if you have to. Run out of range + ml9 pet if you have to.

With 26% body + champ resist a bainshee really won't 2shot a caster and in most cases not even 3shot.

Think we can end the discussion here, you're trying to QC without a Cleric next to you while you are getting nuked by a Bainshee and call me clueless while I agree more or less with you. Next suggested thing will be surely quickasting mezz on inc...

Sorc > Bainshee is not a law like you are trying to make it up, the game is way too situational for that.

A RR11 Bainshee with good damage passives will 2-3-shot a caster as well as a RR11 Sorc will 2-3-shot a caster when it gets the jump.

If you never get jumped you should get some balls while moving your toon in RvR.

 

[Marc]

eh?
subedai 8Lx to 10L6

the other chars in my sig all my rps, get a clue (whoever you are mr random)

lol random

Its 2007 dude, proper leetists were using this word, when you were still ebaying your rps

 

[Brackus]

lol random

Its 2007 dude, proper leetists were using this word, when you were still ebaying your rps

Ok child, your clearly a little crazy I will let you think what you like

 

[Ati]

sorc has far more solo utility than a bainshee.

VF is right, it is hard to loose to many casters 1v1 on a sorc, especially moc3 spec. Dark SMs can take me due to rr5 and higher Lifetap. Bainshee normally isnt a huge problem.

 

[igli]

Silly question. If you wanna play, renew if you dont want to dont. Very simple. Dont see the point when some are asking if its worth renewing. If you want to play just play "the game".

 

[pinkey]

yey to adding!

No adding what so ever tbh, you were hovering around near a tower and didnt see me coming, no one else around as i was looking for my grp.

 

[Everz]

lols

Before you found ebay, your only rps came through adding

what came first ebay or the rp?

 

[charmangle]

I was talking about sorcs with a clue in general, not you personally.

In almost every single situation you will see the caster before he lands his first nuke, and if you don't, last attacker + face + doubledexdebuff + qc mez or lifetap and you win. Moc if you have to. Run out of range + ml9 pet if you have to.

With 26% body + champ resist a bainshee really won't 2shot a caster and in most cases not even 3shot.

Not quite true Vodka...

You miss the inc (it arrives out of the water about 1000 range behind you and your pan is passing your front at that time),
First nuke hits you: 850, last attacker in target automatically,
You face, doubledexdebuff,
(most probably the next spell hits you now, since he was at the end of is next spell when you had pressed those 3 buttons, meaning that this nuke wasnt affected by the debuff), IF he crits this one too (WP5) its over 800+ damage and your out, but he is unlucky, he only hits for 500, and you have about 100 hp left.
You QC mess, due to the debuffs it will hit about the same speed as his spell, maybe a little faster (gotto love the SLOWCast ability on QuickCast)
Your mess hits his messblock, he isnt interrupted,
His next nuke hits you for 500 - Sorc pet that has reached about 500 daocrangeunits at this time dies - Game over!

Now this is a maximum luck senario on behalf of the sorc, so I really dont see how you win vs a high rr bain when hes got the drop on you?

/Charmangle

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Watch out Charmangle, you'll be added to the list of clueless people if you continue to argue .

 

[charmangle]

Hehe...

Watch out Charmangle, you'll be added to the list of clueless people if you continue to argue

I consider myself a honerary member of that very prestigeous club!
But nevertheless Im ALWAYS right!

But on a more serious note, its as you said earlier, casters have to fast to high damage output on high rrs for another caster to really stand a chance to counter that before he is dead. (on a regular basis that is, sometimes you just get lucky and he hits you 3 times for 500 damage on your 1502 hp template, and you moc your way back in the game etc)

But in the end the drop is everything when the entire fight takes 3-4 seconds.

/Charmangle

ps. And vodka...hehe dont tell me no one ever gets the drop on you when you solo as a caster! Its just impossible for anyone to keep track of all 360 degrees all the time. Thats something the zergs on Avalon has tought me good! ds.

 

[Bugz]

Not quite true Vodka...

You miss the inc (it arrives out of the water about 1000 range behind you and your pan is passing your front at that time),
First nuke hits you: 850, last attacker in target automatically,
You face, doubledexdebuff,
(most probably the next spell hits you now, since he was at the end of is next spell when you had pressed those 3 buttons, meaning that this nuke wasnt affected by the debuff), IF he crits this one too (WP5) its over 800+ damage and your out, but he is unlucky, he only hits for 500, and you have about 100 hp left.
You QC mess, due to the debuffs it will hit about the same speed as his spell, maybe a little faster (gotto love the SLOWCast ability on QuickCast)
Your mess hits his messblock, he isnt interrupted,
His next nuke hits you for 500 - Sorc pet that has reached about 500 daocrangeunits at this time dies - Game over!

Now this is a maximum luck senario on behalf of the sorc, so I really dont see how you win vs a high rr bain when hes got the drop on you?

/Charmangle

I can't believe you typed out a whole fight scenario.

Why is that a maximum luck scenario on behalf of the sorc? He failed to see the enemy due to pan (tbh if you pan correctly you should see him way before his half way through the second spell). Secondly, the bainshee was lucky enough to have mezz feedback. Thirdly, even if the q/c mezz doesn't land, the bainshee will be interrupted and the next mezz will land in 0.3040 seconds.

 

[Stallion]

Not quite true Vodka...

You miss the inc (it arrives out of the water about 1000 range behind you and your pan is passing your front at that time),
First nuke hits you: 850, last attacker in target automatically,
You face, doubledexdebuff,
(most probably the next spell hits you now, since he was at the end of is next spell when you had pressed those 3 buttons, meaning that this nuke wasnt affected by the debuff), IF he crits this one too (WP5) its over 800+ damage and your out, but he is unlucky, he only hits for 500, and you have about 100 hp left.
You QC mess, due to the debuffs it will hit about the same speed as his spell, maybe a little faster (gotto love the SLOWCast ability on QuickCast)
Your mess hits his messblock, he isnt interrupted,
His next nuke hits you for 500 - Sorc pet that has reached about 500 daocrangeunits at this time dies - Game over!

Now this is a maximum luck senario on behalf of the sorc, so I really dont see how you win vs a high rr bain when hes got the drop on you?

/Charmangle

if you get dex debuffed mid cast the cast is affected

 

[falseth]

But nevertheless Im ALWAYS right!

I'm quite sure we both know that aint true at all!! =)

 

[charmangle]

I can't believe you typed out a whole fight scenario.

Why is that a maximum luck scenario on behalf of the sorc? He failed to see the enemy due to pan (tbh if you pan correctly you should see him way before his half way through the second spell). Secondly, the bainshee was lucky enough to have mezz feedback. Thirdly, even if the q/c mezz doesn't land, the bainshee will be interrupted and the next mezz will land in 0.3040 seconds.

Well since the discussion was about the drop, It was kinda selfevident! (I was answering the post from vodka...so that particular part of unluck isnt counted!)

And yes he does, he ses the bain as the first spell hits a full roundabout pan takes more than 1 second, a spell does not! So first spell hits, you have target, you take atleast 0.5 seconds to react, you slam your 3 keys, in about 0,2 seconds, and thats more than half of his second spell cast time...

And lastly, you dont get interrupted (by mess spells) when you have messblock up. Atleast I dont! And a qc:sted mess + regular mess is not faster than 1 normal casted debuffed nuke, not in my book anyways!

And about the messblock, its not luck, its planning.
We are checking the two classes against eachother with their stuff up, or the discussion would be abit pointless. One with moc up and the other without, for example, would be abit unfair dont you think?

So yes my senario was maximum luck on the random things for the Sorc, (with the exception of the first crit hit, but since most sorcs dont have 1500+ hp in template that would be of no importance)

/Charmangle

ps.

I'm quite sure we both know that aint true at all!!

You know its true! Your just in denial! See beeeeelooow...

if you get dex debuffed mid cast the cast is affected

Well not when its past about halfway through. The spell has already been processed and its just the release timer left, any effects hitting the caster after this "point of no return", doesnt effect him or the spell, simply because the code doesnt check for changes that often. So on a spell thats 1.2 second release on, about 0.7 seconds or so should be the point of no return...but if you are equally sure it does effect it I can always check it out...I couldnt be wrong ofc, just slightly less right!

 

[Bugz]

We are checking the two classes against eachother with their stuff up, or the discussion would be abit pointless.

In that case, MoC3 lifatap > bainshee!