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Laddey

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What do 12 million subscribers see in WoW?

Is the PvP that immense? Cos surely all these people cant be playing PvE constantly?


If you can't beat 'em. Join 'em.

Whats all the fuss about?
 

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if you are in a good guild it can be pretty entertaining, pretty good even if theres only 2-3 of you sticking together tbh

problem is (from the way i see it anyway) WoW lacks the downtime that games like DAoC had, meaning theres a lot less casual chatter and socialising, if you talk too much in WoW in a random group and something goes wrong you will likely get the blame, wheras in DAoC i just blamed Lag!
 

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Most of the 12 mill are kids who don't know any better, and think WoW is the be all and end all of MMORPG's.

I regret playing it at all, I got the triple XP thing so didn't take as much time to realise how fucking mindnumbing the endgame is.

Parts were okay, the achievement system is good at first but then you realise you actually have to sit around for 60 hours (or w/e it is) grinding the same mobs just to get a title that every other fucker is wearing anyway, and some of the dungeons had some pretty good scenery or boss fights.

You get tokens for taking part in dungeon's every day, and tokens for killing the boss. 30+ tokens gets you a piece of armour. You get that armour set eventually, then grind higher level dungeons to get more armour that will be defunct when a new patch hits.

Thats pretty much it for the endgame. You can also take part in the lolworthy 'PvP' which is probably the shittest single clusterfuck in any game I've played.
Oh, or you can craft. To make money.

You can get some pretty cool mounts as well, but most of the decent ones are so rare, 10 people in the entire game have them.
Or you can spend two days grinding one just to sit on it and spam the jump button in Dalaran for 3 hours chatting on vent.

I understand why people have got addicted to this game, the achievement and loot system see that they are hooked.
Blizzard have made a detailed world which deserves exploring for the free trial.

I know that most games are not exactly a productive use of time, but with WoW it felt more like an actual chore to do anything.

/edit and and for it being a MMORPG, you can get to level 80 without actually talking to, or even grouping with another player.

/edit2 And another thing, the combat feels really unresponsive.
 

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Not really played it before. Was thinking of giving it a go. I was thinking about downloading it & joining a popular freeshard. If the combat is unresponsive, I don't wanna waste my time downloading a 7gig file playing a fighter if the combat's shit. Are you saying DAOC is better?
 

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I play it casually at the moment but plan on raiding again after xmas. Some of the new quests are great (They have remade the entire original zones) with some genuine humour.

Best quest chain is the one where you get turned into an NPC to give out quests, along comes 3 NPC "players" all typical stereotypes of players... I won't spoil it for anyone who plays and hasn't done it yet.

The single player pve is by far the best from any MMO I have played, if you haven't played it in a while then do so, at least to go through the new quests.

Overall I play it for the raiding and the social aspect that comes with that, the PvP is pretty crap but there is no pressure to it, just join the pvp battleground queue and relax, it doesn't matter if you lose. The arena PvP is pretty hardcore but I can't understand why, it's not really hard to do well and is pretty boring/pointless.

Random dungeon groups can be frustrating but also a quick way to get rep, earn money, earn points. Being random though you can get stuck with some awful players with awful gear which makes playing a healer an absolute ball ache, its not unknown to find I have much more HP that the supposed main tank.

Oh and btw, the token system has changed now, you get points similar to the honour system, x amount per boss/dungeon you can then spend those points on gear, up to nearly the top tier...you still need tokens from the top bosses to turn your merchant bought items into top tier items.

At the end of the day there is something for everyone in it which is what makes it popular

EDIT:

BTW, if anyone wants a free trial let me know. Through the invite a friend program we would both get triple xp on lowbie characters and I get a mount (not sure if you do too) I play Horde on Bloodhoof. In saying that the new expansion goes live tomorrow so most of my time will be spent leveling my paladin over the next few weeks, though I am going to be making a warrior to experience the new zones at the level intended.
 

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Not really played it before. Was thinking of giving it a go. I was thinking about downloading it & joining a popular freeshard. If the combat is unresponsive, I don't wanna waste my time downloading a 7gig file playing a fighter if the combat's shit. Are you saying DAOC is better?

Idk anymore, both games are shit.

DAoC was good 5/6/7 years ago, no freeshards can ever recapture that, becuase its a totally different game now.

I'd say give WoW a go. You might really like it and have the desire to quest grind/mount grind/loot grind/rep grind. Supposedly the combat has been improved in cata, but not sure to what extent.

At the end of the day, 12 million people can't be like me, and like Raven said, it has someone in it for everyone. But I don't want to log on to a game if I know im not going to enjoy doing a random dungeon with 4 idiots.
 

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Not really played it before. Was thinking of giving it a go. I was thinking about downloading it & joining a popular freeshard. If the combat is unresponsive, I don't wanna waste my time downloading a 7gig file playing a fighter if the combat's shit. Are you saying DAOC is better?

150.456.345 times better.

WOW SUCKS at all.

The most boring game in the world.
 

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I play wow & have never bothered doing ANY of the pve end game. I've got an 80 pvp priest, but for the last year just been pve'ing alts with irl m8s

The pve from L1 to 60 have just been massively revamped, with quest hubs at the start of each dungeon. User interface is a joy too, heck compared to daoc anything is better

currently levelling Jonnylemon, 43 frost mage & Zeede 64 prot pala, bloodscap horde ! Though for me & irl m8s its Alien Swarm atm :clap:
 

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I play wow & have never bothered doing ANY of the pve end game. I've got an 80 pvp priest, but for the last year just been pve'ing alts with irl m8s

The pve from L1 to 60 have just been massively revamped, with quest hubs at the start of each dungeon. User interface is a joy too, heck compared to daoc anything is better

currently levelling Jonnylemon, 43 frost mage & Zeede 64 prot pala, bloodscap horde ! Though for me & irl m8s its Alien Swarm atm :clap:

But how great is the PvP? Cba with PvE! Does the PvP have a ranking system like in daoc, such as RPs, RRs etc?

Can you purely base your WoW time on PvP? :)
 

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promotion makes a game successful , warcraft had loads of books and the strategy game before it was made.
most people tried the game because of that , and the rest players joined because loads of other people played the game.
compered to daoc which had no promotion and is not widely known, that's the difference
I wont say wow is crap , it's just a different game than daoc.
the quest system is nice and the end game is great if you have a good guild and you love pve .
i would never play wow for the pvp aspect of the game , the arena and the bg system is something in my opinion isn't worth playing the game.
 

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But how great is the PvP? Cba with PvE! Does the PvP have a ranking system like in daoc, such as RPs, RRs etc?

Can you purely base your WoW time on PvP? :)

There are arena rankings and you get a rank depending on how well you do. There are also different weapons/armour/equipment made available the higher up the ranks you go. Blizzard have leader boards and even televised (via internet) finals for the top teams.* Arena comes in several flavours 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 you can be in one of each team. However, the teams are set and you don't pug. Its like 8v8 in a way, you have a set team so for the most part you have to play with the same people all the time. You fight in fairly small arenas so no roaming. You can't buy extra abilities but any one class will have 3 different talent (spec) trees which vary from not a lot to loads, in these trees you can also spec differently.

For example, my main which is a paladin has 3 very different talent trees.

Holy, Healing with a few damage spells, enough to solo pve with but the main roll is healing...My choice in class/talent since I started playing again with the burning crusade expansion.
Retribution, DPS
Protection, Tank, as in the one that tanks the mobs...pretty useless in arena pvp afaik.

You can level purely in pvp if you wish, though imo you will be missing out on some cracking game play if you do, plus 1-80 will get you a load of money to buy enchantments, jewelcraft gems etc etc to augment your armour, plus you will need the gold for repairs to equipment.

*Or at least they used to, I don't really follow arena as it doesn't interest me.


Edit, some decent sites to read up about the game. Everything you need to know is on there.

www.wowwiki.com
www.wowhead.com
 

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What do 12 million subscribers see in WoW?

Is the PvP that immense? Cos surely all these people cant be playing PvE constantly?


If you can't beat 'em. Join 'em.

Whats all the fuss about?

What do 12 million subscribers see?

I'll point a few things out for you.

1. Content, there is a shit load to do in the game in my opinion be it if you like raiding or just plain PVE in the open world or you can PVP in the BG's all day long there is loads to do for any normal person.

Seriously any game that is released these days is judged on content and nothing that comes out will struggle to match what Blizzard have done with WoW.

2. A great game to play with friends as people have said you only need 2-3 of you to have an absolute blast in the game.

3. Each and every class has a viable DPS tree with which to level up or PVP and they have even brought in a double spec thing where at lvl 30 you can double spec meaning you can have a DPS spec but also at the flick of a button you can have a heal spec/tank spec or whatever you want.

there really is no gimp class in WoW you could pick any class and providing you know your stuff you can give anyone a run for their money even if their gear is slightly better then yours.

4. It works, sure people will say the game had it's problems at release with the sheer number of players swarming into the servers but that was 6 years ago so they can fuck off with that argument, the game works very rarely will you encounter a game breaking bug.

I could list many more reasons but for me they are the main reasons i have loved WoW since release i have not been a hardcore player either i consider myself quite casual.

World of Warcraft isn't still the No. 1 MMORPG today because of the name Warcraft because i think past games have proven it doesn't matter how big your IP is be it Star Wars or Warhammer if your game sucks it won't survive.

World of Warcraft is still going strong today because Blizzard have created an amazing game and continue to work fecking hard releasing content patches and expansion packs.

Cata will probably go down as the best expansion pack to date it's just that awesome.
 

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turned it on, logged on as a druid then just cbfa questing
 

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All I wanna do i walk round in big open spaces (like Salisbury Plains) & kill mobs for a couple of hours. Can you not just do that? Do you have to go on quests?
 

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1. Content, there is a shit load to do in the game in my opinion be it if you like raiding or just plain PVE in the open world or you can PVP in the BG's all day long there is loads to do for any normal person.

PvP in warcraft is boring as hell.. you win/lose warsong /repeat . so the game is based on the items you have and not your skills to win someone.
 

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i really dunno why you think a pve quest game as the best one. .

12 millions players playing WOW cause they dont know Daoc.

i really believe that daoc has many disadvantages but is still quite better to almost all the caregories compare to fucking shit WOW
 

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turned it on, logged on as a druid then just cbfa questing

Get to level 10 doing whatever, grinding if you wish. Then start questing there are some really fun quests along the way and its so much faster than just grinding mobs.
 

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All I wanna do i walk round in big open spaces (like Salisbury Plains) & kill mobs for a couple of hours. Can you not just do that? Do you have to go on quests?

Mobs give exp like any other game if you wish to just kill mobs for a bit then you can do but you miss out on very good story arcs.
 

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PvP in warcraft is boring as hell.. you win/lose warsong /repeat . so the game is based on the items you have and not your skills to win someone.

I disagree i've beat many people who had considerable better gear then me.

PVP boring but compared to what? DAOC?

Sorry but i'm not sure what your getting at because i sure as hell remember DAOC and i loved it to bits but i also remember the endless waiting on the pad for teleports so in the end your logic works for both games i'm afraid.

Oh and by the way don't even get me started on the GEAR vs skill on DAOC.
 

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i really dunno why you think a pve quest game as the best one. .

12 millions players playing WOW cause they dont know Daoc.

i really believe that daoc has many disadvantages but is still quite better to almost all the caregories compare to fucking shit WOW

DAOC

Crap pve, there is nothing at all fun about DAOC pve, the only decent thing was made stupidly easy and then bypassed all together (TOA)
Crap pvp, Massively unbalanced, you are basically forced into zerging these days as the game is still designed for choke points, some utterly retarded classes that haven't been fixed for years. This is ofc fine if you like zerging but it leaves nothing for those that dont.
Terrible craft system since day 1.
Awful social system, crap guild management, crap communication system.

WoW
Great pve which takes place in very different zones, each one telling a story, some hilarious quests.
The PvP isn't that great but it has something for everyone, zerging in the BGs, organised in the arena or world pvp if you want to play on a pvp server.
Fairly decent craft system
Brilliant communication system and decent guild system.
 

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DAOC

Crap pve, there is nothing at all fun about DAOC pve, the only decent thing was made stupidly easy and then bypassed all together (TOA)
Crap pvp, Massively unbalanced, you are basically forced into zerging these days as the game is still designed for choke points, some utterly retarded classes that haven't been fixed for years. This is ofc fine if you like zerging but it leaves nothing for those that dont.
Terrible craft system since day 1.
Awful social system, crap guild management, crap communication system.

WoW
Great pve which takes place in very different zones, each one telling a story, some hilarious quests.
The PvP isn't that great but it has something for everyone, zerging in the BGs, organised in the arena or world pvp if you want to play on a pvp server.
Fairly decent craft system
Brilliant communication system and decent guild system.

Summed it up perfectly for me.
 

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ok, my WOW download is at 97%. Thinking about a Blood Elf Warlock (I know nothing about WOW, was the first combo that jumped out) - they any good?
 

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ok, my WOW download is at 97%. Thinking about a Blood Elf Warlock (I know nothing about WOW, was the first combo that jumped out) - they any good?

Trust me go with what race and what class you want there is no gimp class and no gimp race.
 

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DAOC

Crap pve, there is nothing at all fun about DAOC pve, the only decent thing was made stupidly easy and then bypassed all together (TOA)
Crap pvp, Massively unbalanced, you are basically forced into zerging these days as the game is still designed for choke points, some utterly retarded classes that haven't been fixed for years. This is ofc fine if you like zerging but it leaves nothing for those that dont.
Terrible craft system since day 1.
Awful social system, crap guild management, crap communication system.

WoW
Great pve which takes place in very different zones, each one telling a story, some hilarious quests.
The PvP isn't that great but it has something for everyone, zerging in the BGs, organised in the arena or world pvp if you want to play on a pvp server.
Fairly decent craft system
Brilliant communication system and decent guild system.

Daoc

Crap Pvp ? hahaha yes ofc. Wow 10 times better hahaha

Wow

Hilarious quests ? yes ofc that's why i get bored from the first 15 minutes

Craft System, Communication system , decent guild system : i really dont givf a shit. Daoc systems are fine for me but i look for action not for just an easier command.

You all said that Daoc Pve sucks etc etc. Ok its you opinion but i like it much more than the Mini Mouse and Popay Wow characters or mobs to kill.
 

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DAOC

Crap pve, there is nothing at all fun about DAOC pve, the only decent thing was made stupidly easy and then bypassed all together (TOA)
Crap pvp, Massively unbalanced, you are basically forced into zerging these days as the game is still designed for choke points, some utterly retarded classes that haven't been fixed for years. This is ofc fine if you like zerging but it leaves nothing for those that dont.
Terrible craft system since day 1.
Awful social system, crap guild management, crap communication system.

WoW
Great pve which takes place in very different zones, each one telling a story, some hilarious quests.
The PvP isn't that great but it has something for everyone, zerging in the BGs, organised in the arena or world pvp if you want to play on a pvp server.
Fairly decent craft system
Brilliant communication system and decent guild system.
what you said was only the negative things about daoc.
seriously what about the pvp reward system of the game... which in my opinion is way better than getting armors based on your arena points.
3 realms.
each realms has lots of unique classes
very nice siege system
I am playing daoc because of it's PvP not for its pve.
i will enjoy my pvp and you guys can enjoy your pve
 

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Fine do so...but this is a thread about World of Warcraft, hence the title.
 

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despite the unbalancing issues that i believe all games have , loads of people loved its PvP.
but like i said i wouldn't play warcraft for its pvp .
If you are more of a pve person its a great game to play.
 

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