Football World cup

[megadave]

It was the whole back 4 and the rest, we were gash, Terry was and has been average for the season, anyone without there chelsea tinted glasses can see this, fuck me Jody Craddock could have done a better job.

John Terry had three bad games this season, yet was featured in every game for a double winning side. Unless you think Alex is god's gift to defending then he's obviously not had an average season. Perhaps it's not blue-tinted glasses, it's the fact the Chelsea fans have actually watched him play and don't just rely on the media's shit reporting.

but yeah for england they were all shit, not suprising with the system we had going

 

[Talivar]

Pretty sure if we could find the stats for the season they would show Terry had a good season.

 

[cHodAX]

yeah it's all john terry's fault!

god you lot are thicker than the discharge that comes out of chodax's vagina

Not all his fault, Barry is more to blame but Terry was still fucking woeful.

 

[cHodAX]

LOL. The defence, and Terry and Upson is particular were awful for the entire Germany match. People tend to base their opinions of a player purely on his last match, because they are thoughtless sheep. Clearly the whole team (barring James and Ashley) were terrible. Collectively there was no defensive awareness what so ever. And to think, we were meant to be the experienced team against a bunch of German kids!

That is all that needs to be said really, the only two players than can at least not feel ashamed. Cole was our best player over the 4 games, hands down.

 

[Talivar]

Think no1 can deny that yesterday he was crap like rest, think the debate atm was about his form for the previous season in relation to should he have even bern picked to start with.

 

[cHodAX]

Think no1 can deny that yesterday he was crap like rest, think the debate atm was about his form for the previous season in relation to should he have even bern picked to start with.

No no, he was crap for 3 out of the 4 games and average in the other except for one moment of brave madness.

 

[Talivar]

Yea no1 denying he been bad for WC, as have Rooney and rest, its Previous season with chelsea we debating.

 

[Everz]

What this thread needs is.

 

[Talivar]

Who is megarevz on our fantasy footy? Wanna know who it is before i knock them out of the alst 16 round stage!

 

[eksdee]

 

[Marc]

What is needed is a complete change in the way that things are done in the setup of the league and cup matches as well as the entire system of sports in the country as a whole.

1. Reduce the number of games played every season in our domestic competitions. Maybe bring the PL teams into the cup competitions at a later stage, reduce the league to 18 teams.

2. Give the players a proper Christmas and New Year's break.

3. Start the season two weeks earlier - not sure, if this is possible as we start early already.

4. Stop appointing foreign coaches for the England job. Can you ever see Brazil, Germany, Italy or Argentina ever hiring a foreigner for the post? At club level, it is acceptable but for the national side we need someone British at the minimum. Redknapp, Hodgson just a couple off the top of my head.

5. Quota’s for the club sides. I have always been against this idea but after this latest debacle that is called a WC campaign I am slowly coming round to the idea. Maybe have it phased in over a period of say 2-3 years so that teams can adjust.

6. More football played at school level then we currently have - when I was in private school, we had sports activities - footie, rugby, cricket athletics etc six days of the week with competitive matches played twice a week. In the State School system, I was very shocked to discover that we would be lucky to play sports once a week. I know it is not as bad as that today but there is scope for improvement on this front.

7. We also need to find a way to bring the talent, which is there already, through to the big stage. Every country has talented sportsmen and women the problem arises in how we find and nurture this talent. I am sure everyone has met /seen players who are immensely talented but are never picked up; I know I have seen loads of players over the years. This leads me to believe that we need a change in how we source these players in England, clearly the way it is being done currently is not working.

8. Force clubs to spend a certain percentage of their income on youth development.

9. Bring in proper rules protecting the smaller clubs from the bigger clubs stealing youth players.

10. Remove all people from the FA that do not have direct football experience (x players, coaches etc). It’s a sport that generates money not a business that happens to be football.

******EDIT******

What a long rant!!

When I were a lad and shep were a pup, every night after school there were hundreds of kids on every street/park playing football. Nowadays when I take the dog for a walk I see none. This is evident in the lack of junior clubs. My town used to have 12 junior clubs with age ranges from under 7 to under 18. Now there is one club. Todays yoof are more concerned with their xbox 360/ps3.

 

[Ch3tan]

Marc; there are lots of 5 a side centres all over the country now - it's big business. I think you'll find a lot of those that used to play in parks now play 5 - a side a few times a week.

Not arguing that sport is less important in this country than it used to be, just giving a possible reason for less kids in parks.

Think that 13 years of labour political correctness has stopped schools teaching competition.

 

[Ch3tan]

Breaking NEWS! Alan Shearer has just written of Hollands chances of winning the world cup. You heard it here first. I think he's very wrong.

 

[tierk]

Marc; there are lots of 5 a side centres all over the country now - it's big business. I think you'll find a lot of those that used to play in parks now play 5 - a side a few times a week.

Not arguing that sport is less important in this country than it used to be, just giving a possible reason for less kids in parks.

Think that 13 years of labour political correctness has stopped schools teaching competition.

I think that fact that pretty much all schools sold there playing fields to developers way back in the time of dinosaurs could be the real reson why we dont see much in the way of footie today.

It should available for every school so as to encourage them from a young age to take up sports and allow them to flourish and i dont mean only for footie but all sports.

*****EDIT*****

That wasnt a party political broadcast either just a statement of fact.

 

[Talivar]

bah im doomed to not get any clean sheet bonus.

 

[Ch3tan]

Brazil v Chile tonight, do you think that Chile will have enough squad strength to cope given the number of suspensions, and do you think they will be able to control their aggression better? Should be a very open end to end game.

 

[tierk]

Brazil v Chile tonight, do you think that Chile will have enough squad strength to cope given the number of suspensions, and do you think they will be able to control their aggression better? Should be a very open end to end game.

Brazil will crush them up and spit em out, havent you read the script yet??

 

[Ch3tan]

Kaka, Elano and Robinho return for Brasil in this game - scary stuff if you are from Chile!

Melo is a doubt though, given Chile's speed and passing through midfield, Melo would be vital for the Brasilians.


Also what's the deal with second yellow cards? I thought in previous tournaments the yellows were re-set after the group stage? Is it after the last 16 they are cleared now?

 

[Legaen]

Kaka, Elano and Robinho return for Brasil in this game - scary stuff if you are from Chile!

Melo is a doubt though, given Chile's speed and passing through midfield, Melo would be vital for the Brasilians.


Also what's the deal with second yellow cards? I thought in previous tournaments the yellows were re-set after the group stage? Is it after the last 16 they are cleared now?

Yeah quater finals the cards get thrown out from previous games. They changed it for some reason.

 

[Lamp]

 

[JingleBells]

If you don't read Zonal Marking yet you should do. It's a damn impressive site - whoever writes it certainly knows their stuff and they tweeted a few weeks back they were having a beer with Jonathan Wilson, who is probably the tactics expert (I've just finished reading his book Inverting the Pyramid: The History of Football Tactics - a fascinating read).

He's written a comprehensive review of where England went wrong and is pretty damning, especially on Capello and his insistence on 4-4-2:

England’s problems stemmed from the simple and predictable fact that they had a numerical disadvantage in the centre of midfield. This is a problem even when the sides are evenly matched in terms of quality, but when England had both a numerical disadvantage and an inferiority in terms of passing ability, it was absolutely suicidal.

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The first half could be held up as an example of why teams have moved away from playing 4-4-2 and started playing 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 formations. Germany simply always had a spare option in midfield, and England were playing with two strikers doing either (a) the same thing or (b) nothing, depending on your perspective.

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The late rally towards the end of that half covered up England’s deficiencies, and presumably convinced Capello that there was nothing wrong with the system England were playing

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Capello’s second half substitutions were irrelevant but nevertheless frustrating – Joe Cole and Emile Heskey on, but no change of shape. Ultimately, no combination of England players in 4-4-2 would have beaten Germany today.

Although the players quite rightly are lambasted:

The formation had nothing to do with the first goal, of course, with Matthew Upson and John Terry getting in crazy positions from a long punt down the pitch from Manuel Neuer, which travelled 100 yards before Klose tapped in.

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Gareth Barry had a really poor game in the holding role, but you can’t help feeling slightly sorry for him and Frank Lampard. What were they supposed to do? Track Ozil and leave Schweinsteiger with time and space in the centre of midfield to dictate play, or close down Schweinsteiger and leave Ozil free? In truth, they didn’t really do either particularly well.

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Barry’s poor touch on the ball was unforgivable considering how many defenders England had forward for the free-kick, and Germany countered with a classic quick three-man break.

The conclusion should be printed out and pinned up on the wall at Soho Square:

Some sections of England football supporters hate the fact that two foreigners – Sven-Goran Eriksson and Capello – have been brought in as manager in recent years. The ironic thing is that both foreigners have been fixated on the standard English 4-4-2 for the duration of their time in charge; Terry Venables, Glenn Hoddle and even Steve McClaren tried different shapes to make England less predictable. You could probably list 100 things that have, in some way, contributed to England’s disastrous performance at this tournament, but the formation must be the biggest factor.

For the past six years, the major talking point regarding the England team has been an inability to get the best out of both Gerrard and Lampard. Both Lampard and Gerrard? Neither are at their best in a 4-4-2. Nor is Rooney, nor is Barry, nor is Carrick, nor is Joe Cole, nor are any of England’s small band of creative players. Even if Capello thought 4-4-2 was best before the tournament, he surely must have seen that it wasn’t working when England limped to draws against the US and Algeria, and a narrow victory over Slovenia.

But the main focus should be on Germany, who were fantastic throughout and exploited England’s weaknesses from the first whistle. The performances of individuals was not the highlight, it was the understanding between them, the way they interacted and swapped positions, the way they retained the ball, the way they created a shape to drag England’s defenders out of position.

Germany didn’t just outclass England, they offered a template for what England must seek to become.

BTW - Apologies for the long post & lateness - I've been away all day

 

[cHodAX]

OMFG FIFA are going to ban video replays!

World Cup 2010: FIFA to ban big-screen replays - ESPN Soccernet

 

[Talivar]

Thats stupid, instead of solving the problem they just brushing it under carpet

 

[- English -]

Wish Blatter and co would resign tbh
The only positive thing is that hes quite old and will soon pop his cloggs.

 

[megadave]

good post JingleBells, agree with it all really.

this is spot on

Ultimately, no combination of England players in 4-4-2 would have beaten Germany today.

 

[Marc]

good post JingleBells, agree with it all really.

this is spot on

Well thats obviously incorrect as if England had picked a team of players who didnt play for one of the big 4 clubs they would have won the world cup

 

[- English -]

@marc, dont you get a golden boot for scoring the most WC goals .. not a golden ball?;p

 

[eksdee]

golden ball = player of the tournament

 

[Shagrat]

OMFG FIFA are going to ban video replays!

World Cup 2010: FIFA to ban big-screen replays - ESPN Soccernet

haha well thats an innovative way of fixing the problem, are they banning TV companies from showing replays of goals as well?

 

[Calaen]

haha well thats an innovative way of fixing the problem, are they banning TV companies from showing replays of goals as well?

They banned them in the premiership a few years ago.