Football World cup

[Talivar]

Id keep him for his captain skills mainly

 

[Embattle]

I also though Terry was fairly crap he has a great Defensive partner at Chel$ki who helps him look good with an average guy beside him Terry also looks average.

Terry hasn't been the same since he made major headlines in the newspapers.

 

[Talivar]

If he hadnt been dropped from captain in first place and hadnt been blasted for his honesty at the rpess conference i reckon he would have been his old self.

 

[Everz]

We need to start from scratch, get rid of the old guard asap and bring through the new exciting youth. Johnson, Wilkshere etc etc, give them there shot and build them together as a group.

Capello gone also, tactical muppet.

 

[Bahumat]

This is my outlook on things.
Capello is a great manager, his track record proves this. However...

Capello likes to put a square brick (formation) into a square hole (team. e.g. his success at AC milan).
England are a Triangle (formation) so his tactics do not suit us.

If you take the Slovenia game, we were not perfect, but we had SOME players in their more natural positions and we looked like a better team.

It's Capello's fault for sticking with the flat 4-4-2 formation. Someone of his calibre should have understood this and made necessary changes.

 

[Everz]

Also to add, bring a fucking quota in for English players, how the hell can we ever improve our youth if most of them will never get a game above johnny foreigner.

 

[soze]

Also to add, bring a fucking quota in for English players, how the hell can we ever improve our youth if most of them will never get a game above johnny foreigner.

Again this will not help our league is at this standard because of Jonny Foreigner so if you send them home the standard of the league drops. So you will have more English players but playing at a lower level. Which will not help you win anything.

The answer is Football School's that run after school and at weekends that are FA funded and can teach kids how to play from 6 years old up for 16. Just throwing kinds in at the top level while they are not good enough will not make England better.

To add to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_national_football_team#Current_squad 3 players play in Brazil so clearly Quotas are not the answer.

 

[Everz]

Again this will not help our league is at this standard because of Jonny Foreigner so if you send them home the standard of the league drops. So you will have more English players but playing at a lower level. Which will not help you win anything.

The answer is Football School's that run after school and at weekends that are FA funded and can teach kids how to play from 6 years old up for 16. Just throwing kinds in at the top level while they are not good enough will not make England better.

Yes I agree throughly it has got to start at the bottom and work up, with the training being more skills based rather then on the physical aspects, english players first touch, close control, passing and general reading of the game is piss poor in comparision to other nations, just look at Ozil/Muller for Germany.

But at a standard of which youth aren't getting a chance at all. Kids with potential by and large end up getting shafted at the club they come through and have to move down the leagues in order to get games. By enforcing a rule as such would make clubs focus on improving there youth and forcing on there kids. You've only got to look at Italy to see an extreme of what there being no chance for youth to come through does to the national team, a real lack of young talent there (Balotelli and Santon, but thats it).

Both in co-existance would see (imo) a massive improvement in the national team.

And for Brazil, most of them honed there talent in the Brazilian leagues (where there is a quota, only 3 non-brazilians allowed). Forcing the clubs to train there youth to be the best, hence why we see an abundance of talent come from there.

 

[soze]

Yes I agree throughly it has got to start at the bottom and work up, with the training being more skills based rather then on the physical aspects, english players first touch, close control, passing and general reading of the game is piss poor in comparision to other nations, just look at Ozil/Muller for Germany.

But at a standard of which youth aren't getting a chance at all. Kids with potential by and large end up getting shafted at the club they come through and have to move down the leagues in order to get games. By enforcing a rule as such would make clubs focus on improving there youth and forcing on there kids. You've only got to look at Italy to see an extreme of what there being no chance for youth to come through does to the national team, a real lack of young talent there (Balotelli and Santon, but thats it).

Both in co-existance would see (imo) a massive improvement in the national team.

And for Brazil, most of them honed there talent in the Brazilian leagues (where there is a quota, only 3 non-brazilians allowed). Forcing the clubs to train there youth to be the best, hence why we see an abundance of talent come from there.

Yeah if they introduced a Quota in say 10 years giving teams the chance to build up English talent could work. But doing it now as a reaction the the World Cup would be a step back.

 

[Calaen]

Id keep him for his captain skills mainly

He told us in a press conference last week that he was born to do it and just because he didn't have the arm band it was not going to stop him from doing what he always does.

Only one of those players yesterday had a go at another one and that was James who was busy picking the ball out.

JT is not the defender the majority of football fans that are brain washed into believing they are good. He was conisistently caught out last year under the ball, but his defensive partners clear up his mess.

 

[Everz]

Yeah if they introduced a Quota in say 10 years giving teams the chance to build up English talent could work. But doing it now as a reaction the the World Cup would be a step back.

Of course, not saying introduce now but in time so that we get a decent crop. We should be focusing now on the new generation though, making sure talents like Wilkshere, Johnson, Walcott etc etc don't go to waste.

 

[ilaya]

shall we watch the cricket now peeps? 3-0!! :england:

 

[Talivar]

Im sorry but for Chelsea JT had a great season, barring a shaky period just after the reveleations. Apart from the spurs defence i cant think of many who did better anyway, certainly none from the other top teams.

 

[Everz]

shall we watch the cricket now peeps? 3-0!! :england:

Id opt for paint drying instead.

 

[Genedril]

Englands youth is coached in the art of speed and physical prescence which is pretty much what all the English Leagues are all about.

Other countries don't rely on just that and think that guile, movement and ball retention is a good thing. Riquelme showed you don't need to be quick to be bloody good.

That German team had 5 (?) of their under 21 team from last year playing and they were outstanding. Ozil ran the show really - are their any similar English players of that age? I haven't seen one. The closest there is would be Cole as far as I can tell and he was hardly played (and his end pass is no where near as good from what I've seen over the last year or so).

 

[Lamp]

The back 4 were awful. John Terry needs taking out & shooting. Rooney played shit. The only person who can hold his head up high was the goal keeper. You can't even say they were a collection of individuals rather than a team, because individually they played shite. Head-hangingly disgraceful performance by England & they deserve to be kicked out playing like that. That German chap - Oziel (?) just found massive gaps in the defence (if you can call it that). Back to basics. Harry Rednap for England manager. Fabio might have excellent track record but he's too stubborn.

 

[Calaen]

Im sorry but for Chelsea JT had a great season, barring a shaky period just after the reveleations. Apart from the spurs defence i cant think of many who did better anyway, certainly none from the other top teams.

Saha made him look like a faggot. Spurs destroyed him (Hello red card!!!!!), Man City ripped him to bits. He has good players around him.

And this has nothing to do with the fact he was struggling after the shit with bridge.

 

[Punishment]

Only really creative playmaker england have produced in the last 15 years imo is paul scholes , import less talent to the premier league and back to square 1 imo

 

[tierk]

What is needed is a complete change in the way that things are done in the setup of the league and cup matches as well as the entire system of sports in the country as a whole.

1. Reduce the number of games played every season in our domestic competitions. Maybe bring the PL teams into the cup competitions at a later stage, reduce the league to 18 teams.

2. Give the players a proper Christmas and New Year's break.

3. Start the season two weeks earlier - not sure, if this is possible as we start early already.

4. Stop appointing foreign coaches for the England job. Can you ever see Brazil, Germany, Italy or Argentina ever hiring a foreigner for the post? At club level, it is acceptable but for the national side we need someone British at the minimum. Redknapp, Hodgson just a couple off the top of my head.

5. Quota’s for the club sides. I have always been against this idea but after this latest debacle that is called a WC campaign I am slowly coming round to the idea. Maybe have it phased in over a period of say 2-3 years so that teams can adjust.

6. More football played at school level then we currently have - when I was in private school, we had sports activities - footie, rugby, cricket athletics etc six days of the week with competitive matches played twice a week. In the State School system, I was very shocked to discover that we would be lucky to play sports once a week. I know it is not as bad as that today but there is scope for improvement on this front.

7. We also need to find a way to bring the talent, which is there already, through to the big stage. Every country has talented sportsmen and women the problem arises in how we find and nurture this talent. I am sure everyone has met /seen players who are immensely talented but are never picked up; I know I have seen loads of players over the years. This leads me to believe that we need a change in how we source these players in England, clearly the way it is being done currently is not working.

8. Force clubs to spend a certain percentage of their income on youth development.

9. Bring in proper rules protecting the smaller clubs from the bigger clubs stealing youth players.

10. Remove all people from the FA that do not have direct football experience (x players, coaches etc). It’s a sport that generates money not a business that happens to be football.

******EDIT******

What a long rant!!

 

[Solic Archers]

FA to blame again!!

 

[tierk]

Friend just sent me this.

http://i.imgur.com/PsOSW.jpg

 

[Ch3tan]

Are we done with the analysis now? Still a world cup to talk about!

Tevez's second goal yesterday.... Wow. Have watched it about 10 times now, and am still not bored of it.

Think the Dutch will have an easy win today, hoping they show some good form now Robben is back and they have the width they were lacking in the first couple of games.

 

[Everz]

I lost my interest in football atm, still bit pissed about the dreadful refereeing at both games tbh.

 

[Ch3tan]

I lost my interest in football atm, still bit pissed about the dreadful refereeing at both games tbh.

Meh, fuck all we can do about it. I'll enjoy the world cup a hell of a lot more now I don't have to worry about the results. Enjoy the footy from a truly neutral perspective. Germany v Argentina should be a tasty game.

 

[megadave]

yeah it's all john terry's fault!

god you lot are thicker than the discharge that comes out of chodax's vagina

 

[Ch3tan]

yeah it's all john terry's fault!

god you lot are thicker than the discharge that comes out of chodax's vagina

LOL. The defence, and Terry and Upson is particular were awful for the entire Germany match. People tend to base their opinions of a player purely on his last match, because they are thoughtless sheep. Clearly the whole team (barring James and Ashley) were terrible. Collectively there was no defensive awareness what so ever. And to think, we were meant to be the experienced team against a bunch of German kids!

 

[Everz]

Meh, fuck all we can do about it. I'll enjoy the world cup a hell of a lot more now I don't have to worry about the results. Enjoy the footy from a truly neutral perspective. Germany v Argentina should be a tasty game.

Oh it'll come back, actually more gutted for Mexico, Tevez's offside goal was such a sucker punch for them. On the other hand, you lot have got yourself one hell of a player in Hernandez, looks extremely promising and composed.

 

[Everz]

yeah it's all john terry's fault!

god you lot are thicker than the discharge that comes out of chodax's vagina

It was the whole back 4 and the rest, we were gash, Terry was and has been average for the season, anyone without there chelsea tinted glasses can see this, fuck me Jody Craddock could have done a better job.

 

[Genedril]

That goal was special - I was cheering at the top of my voice and then realised I was in a pub in England surrounded by some not very happy English types..

 

[Genedril]

10 minutes for a quick reply - I thought they'd upgraded the servers .