Will you spec envenom in 1.82 (remedy for all assasins)

[kivik]

kivik - what bit don't you understand? You purge against a high NS, they can re-apply, their malice can re-proc, they can re-poison, they can stun if they haven't already. Most don't even bother re-applying - why? Because they don't need to, Remedy has won the fight for them. They swing at full str/con, no dots ticking on them, it must be lovely just hitting at full power all the time.
Why don't some NS's use it? because they get bored of the 1-sided fights. Winning everytime is boring.

Oli - Illu

Hm, as I said it might not work on a higher RR NS. Malice proc is luck and repoison (assuming this is the MLx enduring poison effect) will happen if you used the purge too early. As I've understood it, this is not about understanding this is about experience and I don't expect to win all fights against rr5+ nightshades anyways so, just /release and give it another go

 

[censi]

an assasin that dont use envenon is as retarded as a ranger that dont use bow!

 

[Digi]

an assasin that dont use envenon is as retarded as a ranger that dont use bow!

Hum when was the last time you used a bow ?

 

[Kaun_IA]

i kinda like this patch all high rr infs and sb are gonna be running around whit 90% hp makes it easyer for me to kill u guys now

 

[xxManiacxx]

why would u use remedy on a ranger for? Say hello to bludgeon instead

 

[Neffneff]

why would u use remedy on a ranger for? Say hello to bludgeon instead

When you're walking around in RvR, stealthed, and come accross another stealther..how much time do you usually get to position, /face, and PA successfully?

now try to imagine adding in a race/weapon check first to determine if its an archer or not, push remedy THEN PA, i know its not much more, but it does make a diff i assur eyou, and sometimes there just isnt time to check if its archer, so remedy gets used "in case" its an assasin.

you will understand in a few weeks anyhoo.

 

[xxManiacxx]

When you're walking around in RvR, stealthed, and come accross another stealther..how much time do you usually get to position, /face, and PA successfully?

now try to imagine adding in a race/weapon check first to determine if its an archer or not, push remedy THEN PA, i know its not much more, but it does make a diff i assur eyou, and sometimes there just isnt time to check if its archer, so remedy gets used "in case" its an assasin.

you will understand in a few weeks anyhoo.

have had little problems with it so far so doubt it will change after 1.82. Before I switched weapons etc before doing PAs and now I don´t have to do that anymore.

 

[illu]

When you're walking around in RvR, stealthed, and come accross another stealther..how much time do you usually get to position, /face, and PA successfully?

now try to imagine adding in a race/weapon check first to determine if its an archer or not, push remedy THEN PA, i know its not much more, but it does make a diff i assur eyou, and sometimes there just isnt time to check if its archer, so remedy gets used "in case" its an assasin.

you will understand in a few weeks anyhoo.

I can never tell the difference between a melee ranger and an ns :/ Melee rangers need to have 3 legs or something.

Oli - Illu

 

[Ging]

wery true, a hunter or scout is relativly easy to spot, either shield/spear, melee Ranger with Gov/gsv, battler + malice looks identicle to an NS

 

[kivik]

only thing that can make me recognize a NS is their DD, and CS styles

 

[Nuxtobatns]

It's quite easy making sb templates; I've done 4 good templates for my sb and I'll tell you its fucking harder doing a pierce template for either a shade or an infil.

Can u PM me some of the sb ones here on FH plz ? Pref something with Malice,300+hp,Swappable mainhand,SoM and maybe RoD. (Dont really like PH that much;hate the 5min timer)

 

[Puppet]

only thing that can make me recognize a NS is their DD, and CS styles

Or their race

 

[theslayeruk]

Can u PM me some of the sb ones here on FH plz ? Pref something with Malice,300+hp,Swappable mainhand,SoM and maybe RoD. (Dont really like PH that much;hate the 5min timer)

I'd have to remake one because most of sb ones got deleted in reformat but it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Okies. I am using currectly my 8th template and most were not even that similar to each other. Tho i still think i havent used or seen a perfect template (at least the way i see what a 'perfect' template looks like).

 

[Kaun_IA]

why would u use remedy on a ranger for? Say hello to bludgeon instead

not afraid of that really, couse i hitting them whit slash weapons on slash weak armor.. so it kinda evens things out

better and long er fight mybe.

atm tho some sbs (even some high rrs) are just WAY too easy for me to pwn... but some, only a few tho... own me whit me useing evry god damn abil i have. /bow to u guys

so whats my point ?

those sbs who are crap atm will be crap then and will get owned like now. those who are strong atm will be the same as before. killing evrything whit nps... and now have a option to use remedy

 

[Kaun_IA]

Okies. I am using currectly my 8th template and most were not even that similar to each other. Tho i still think i havent used or seen a perfect template (at least the way i see what a 'perfect' template looks like).

there is no such thing as a perfect temp... thats whats great in this game... u cant have the best of evrything

 

[dub]

seems some people dont understand what the problem with remedy is , so here we go again for the hibs and the former mid , its still negating a specline , you wanna boost a class fine , then boost it , but remedy was never a good solution.

its negating reaplying poisons , its negating using specialized poisons for the occation , it diminishes number of viable strategies , in short you are not allowing opponent to use part of his potential knowledge of the game to effect the outcome.


bludgeon is crappy solution to armour differences , remedy to all is crappy solution to remedy being hmm lets say specline destroying then ? , the charge reuse timer issue/buffbot disparity didnt get looked at , only decent fix is the changes to cs line and the brittle nerf.

im not gonna hold it against anyone if they use abilities mythic sees it fit to bestow upon a class , but the argument against remedy is just as viable with 1.82 as before if not more with the loopsided bias it has towards the low realmranks.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Also PA/BS boost wont be even near to the boost that is actually needed. They need imo a huge boost to actually make a diff against most visuals and even stealthers....I cant be PAed for only 25% of my health...ITS WRONG !!

 

[Ging]

Also PA/BS boost wont be even near to the boost that is actually needed. They need imo a huge boost to actually make a diff against most visuals and even stealthers....I cant be PAed for only 25% of my health...ITS WRONG !!

dont use PH charge then.

U PA some random mid SB for 265 (-798) FUCKLOADS of damage was absorbed (by the defenders magic shielding).

fucking yay

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Dont have PH atm...
just 2558 hp and 700 AF and i usually get PAed for 600 if no crit

 

[Jox]

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The problem with Remedy have been;

The nigthshade press Remedy all my poisons fails.

My counter is Purge but even if I purge all poisons I lose 550 Hit Points thanks to Enervating so the NS is still a step ahead.

He can also repoison me(never seen any NS on Ex do it but still...).

And if I purge poisons I will be helpless against possible stuns.

 

[Appollo]

Jox has hit the nail on the head!

 

[theslayeruk]

Jox has hit the nail on the head!

The nail hit Jox on the head more like.

 

[Succi]

.... from a great height

 

[Dorin]

.... from a great height

:EE

 

[xxManiacxx]

only thing that can make me recognize a NS is their DD, and CS styles

race and names aswell.

 

[Ging]

race and names aswell.

yes Elph and luri........

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Dont forget shar rangers. I know at least one but he is no threat

 

[Jox]

.... from a great height

I am not sure about that...

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=190949

Quickness 37, Matter 6, Spirit 5, Envenom 4...

I rest my case.

 

[Eeben]

The problem with Remedy have been;

The nigthshade press Remedy all my poisons fails.

My counter is Purge but even if I purge all poisons I lose 550 Hit Points thanks to Enervating so the NS is still a step ahead.

He can also repoison me(never seen any NS on Ex do it but still...).

And if I purge poisons I will be helpless against possible stuns.

remedy should not be that much of a problem with your playstyle ^^