Will you spec envenom in 1.82 (remedy for all assasins)

[Nuxtobatns]

u think? 1.82 is a shade nerf patch. and unkillable? its harder yes, but calling it unkillable is abit Zzzzzz
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Maybe not 100% unkillable...but it is semi-god mod compared to what sbs have to show. Just a hint. Remember my FAO Coglen thread...i found him and fought without him using Remedy (think it was down). After me getting PAed for around 934main/140left and CD that landing perfectly... one could have fought i would have lost...well...no. Escaped with 3% health and richer by 1025 rps. So i guess...Remedy DOES really matter, especially when both start fight on the same basis and not a stealth opener style.

 

[Dafft]

Remedy is cool, but one stupid fucked up ability.

it's a good thing all assassins get it, it balances them but still a shite ability to get

 

[illu]

u think? 1.82 is a shade nerf patch. and unkillable? its harder yes, but calling it unkillable is abit Zzzzzz. your not a lowbie anymore illu, maybe time to check ur temp/playstyle. the good shades will keep on rolling, and the rest, well have fun.

having remedy on all assassins is bs, just needed alittle bit of tweaking on shades and it woulda be fine. either longer timer or better rr5s on sbs/infils.

Honestly Jerg, NS's that are over RR7 with Remedy up in its current form are literally unkillable. Whatever you do, they can do, except you cannot debuff or poison them. The damage only comes from a poisonspike and using malice/battler - which they can do also. The only thing in the SB's favour is PH, but most of the time I think most SB's don't have it up because of timers. Generally the importance of charges is Haste/AF+25% then generally SoM/Scalars then you hope to have Battler/Malice ready for in fight. If it is taking a while to find a fight, you'll pop PH, or if SoM and Scalars are down, you do it then.

How do you kill an NS Jerg?

The only thing I can think of is open with whatever, then styles wise, Garotte+AH, then either CS line or DF+CB then FG+SS+IB, but more than likely the stun will get purged, and you will spend most of the fight debuffed.
Do you purge the debuff? Only to let malice proc on you again or have no purge up for the NS's incoming stun?

Teach me papasan :>

Oli - Illu

 

[Vodkafairy]

avoid the stun and time your purge/ps right, you have killed me with remedy up yourself and in general hugmeh will kill me more then i will kill him. most proper infils with heat thrusters are hard too.

its people whining and whining about the ability that makes it fucking boring to play. you try to use your class to full extent and match it. you think its fun to fight anything if all they do is whine instead of acknowledge it was a nice fight? the reason i stopped playing ns atleast. most fun ever is to get QQ about remedy when i didnt even use it, while i could have. /ponder

can't wait for the patch, gonna be interesting to see what the excuses will be when all have remedy. or maybe ill get farmed by everything, which would mean a nice challenge!

i said it before, you name me one infil/sb who refused to use dragonfang / prenerf doublefrost when they were totally retarded. oh there are none?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

didnt even play back then.
Tho i really envy NS for the 2 DDs...can make fix u up with some gr8 vid stuff and generally playstyle.

 

[Jarumda]

avoid the stun and time your purge/ps right, you have killed me with remedy up yourself and in general hugmeh will kill me more then i will kill him. most proper infils with heat thrusters are hard too.

i said it before, you name me one infil/sb who refused to use dragonfang / prenerf doublefrost when they were totally retarded. oh there are none?

First of all, hugmeh is a rr9 sb, and as such you'd expect her to rely less on envenom then us lower rr ones do, and second of all, we as sbs dont really have any other choice then to spec for slashers, which im sure you're well aware off, and when im using slashers on slash resistent armour while str/con debuffed, im doing like 90-110 dmg mainhand, while NS with slashers with slashers and remedy up will return for around 300+ mostly... it doesnt take a math genius to figure out the outcome of such a fight

Ofc heaters are an option, but with CL buffs and AoM they're not as good an option as one might think

And tbh, if I had remedy/dragonfang/doublefrost prenerf, ofc I'd use it... but calling fights fair and challegening when you just press your IWIN button, isnt really being honest to yourself :touch:

 

[illu]

avoid the stun and time your purge/ps right, you have killed me with remedy up yourself and in general hugmeh will kill me more then i will kill him. most proper infils with heat thrusters are hard too.

its people whining and whining about the ability that makes it fucking boring to play. you try to use your class to full extent and match it. you think its fun to fight anything if all they do is whine instead of acknowledge it was a nice fight? the reason i stopped playing ns atleast. most fun ever is to get QQ about remedy when i didnt even use it, while i could have. /ponder

can't wait for the patch, gonna be interesting to see what the excuses will be when all have remedy. or maybe ill get farmed by everything, which would mean a nice challenge!

i said it before, you name me one infil/sb who refused to use dragonfang / prenerf doublefrost when they were totally retarded. oh there are none?

I have no qualms against NS's using Remedy, hell I'd use it if it was available to me, anyone would. But the annoying thing from our side is losing a fight that you would have won because of Remedy and not being able to do anything about it.
So many times you get a lovely PA+CD, and then proceed to fight, but if you can't debuff your opponent or put poisons on them, you're stuffed, and you lose, because the whole fight you are hitting at 240str or whatever instead of 350+.
I'd like to see Hugmeh's spec and see whether he is specced as an NS killer, i.e. no poison, all mop/toughness etc..
The fights SB's win against NS's with remedy up are either where the NS has cocked up pretty badly, OR everything random number wise has gone in the SB's favour. The purge has been at the right time, no re-apply of poisons on us or malice proc, and no incoming stun. Then its a slug-fest, and luri's are slightly weaker than sb's so you would expect them to lose.

Maybe I am doing something wrong, or my spec is more for an against all spec as opposed to only killing NS spec.

But it is frustrating to lose a fight after a gorgeous PA+CD against a high RR NS :>

Oli - Illu

 

[theslayeruk]

Thing is that SB's Needed some love and the love dint come with this patch.

it will never come... The love SB's can get is form them self!

Rofl

 

[theslayeruk]

I have no qualms against NS's using Remedy, hell I'd use it if it was available to me, anyone would. But the annoying thing from our side is losing a fight that you would have won because of Remedy and not being able to do anything about it.
So many times you get a lovely PA+CD, and then proceed to fight, but if you can't debuff your opponent or put poisons on them, you're stuffed, and you lose, because the whole fight you are hitting at 240str or whatever instead of 350+.
I'd like to see Hugmeh's spec and see whether he is specced as an NS killer, i.e. no poison, all mop/toughness etc..
The fights SB's win against NS's with remedy up are either where the NS has cocked up pretty badly, OR everything random number wise has gone in the SB's favour. The purge has been at the right time, no re-apply of poisons on us or malice proc, and no incoming stun. Then its a slug-fest, and luri's are slightly weaker than sb's so you would expect them to lose.

Maybe I am doing something wrong, or my spec is more for an against all spec as opposed to only killing NS spec.

But it is frustrating to lose a fight after a gorgeous PA+CD against a high RR NS :>

Oli - Illu

You can see how it's annoying losing a fight on the basis that their remedy was up but can you appreciate how annoying it is losing a fight because someone is running around with 6 resist buffs? Seems too ironic for me to not comment on it to be honest.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

You can see how it's annoying losing a fight on the basis that their remedy was up but can you appreciate how annoying it is losing a fight because someone is running around with 6 resist buffs? Seems too ironic for me to not comment on it to be honest.

Can u also see losing a fight becase some1 always swings 20% faster and doesnt have a prob with his timers ?

 

[theslayeruk]

Can u also see losing a fight becase some1 always swings 20% faster and doesnt have a prob with his timers ?

Unless you are planning on not using remedy when you get it, I'd quit the whining about it because it makes you look like a ****.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Unless you are planning on not using remedy when you get it, I'd quit the whining about it because it makes you look like a ****.

I was reffering to the haste from main buffer really. And y..i am only going to use remedy against Hibs.,..a taste of their own med

 

[theslayeruk]

I was reffering to the haste from main buffer really. And y..i am only going to use remedy against Hibs.,..a taste of their own med

So you won't use your remedy against a rr9 infil that has remedy up? I apologise for laughing but I think thats a load of bollocks.

But, I do agree with you on the timers of items because thats why I rerolled from shadowblade to nightshade, having to use af/haste/som/ph/battler charges was just impossible

 

[Nuxtobatns]

a proper rr9 infil doesnt need remedy to have a chance against me. and since i wont use it...he doesnt either. Ofc this might change if i go out rvr and everyone is spamming it like a noob. Tho all this will really hurt <rr5 assassins..which is TOTALLY WRONG

 

[theslayeruk]

a proper rr9 infil doesnt need remedy to have a chance against me. and since i wont use it...he doesnt either. Ofc this might change if i go out rvr and everyone is spamming it like a noob. Tho all this will really hurt <rr5 assassins..which is TOTALLY WRONG

You really think all these whiney retarded albs sitting on FH aren't going to use remedy?;p It shows character to have such faith, but your in for inevitable disappointment.

And furthermore a proper rr7+ shadowblade doesn't need remedy to compete with a shade with it as the general nightshades on this cluster are utter shite.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Cant they just make it DOT only protection without the hp loss and on a 15 min timer ? If they just changed that...it would be just fine

 

[Nuxtobatns]

You really think all these whiney retarded albs sitting on FH aren't going to use remedy?;p It shows character to have such faith, but your in for inevitable disappointment.

And furthermore a proper rr7+ shadowblade doesn't need remedy to compete with a shade with it as the general nightshades on this cluster are utter shite.

I think i know some.
As for the 2nd..remedy makes all the diff...or else most would be getting to know their droods a bit better

 

[theslayeruk]

I think i know some.
As for the 2nd..remedy makes all the diff...or else most would be getting to know their droods a bit better

Good infils/shadowblades can kill shades with their remedy up, it's only the casual players that whine about remedy being overpowered and remedy doesn't need changing; it needs deleting.

 

[pip]

Good infils/shadowblades can kill shades with their remedy up, it's only the casual players that whine about remedy being overpowered and remedy doesn't need changing; it needs deleting.

Your shite with it and every other ns/infil straff will save your ass nothing more

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Good infils/shadowblades can kill shades with their remedy up, it's only the casual players that whine about remedy being overpowered and remedy doesn't need changing; it needs deleting.

Well..most of the times i go up against a rr6+ NS with remedy and we start with anytime styles...i lose and he leaves with less than a swing's dmg HP. Unless i am lucky with Crits/Evades and land Stun too and purge is down. And with that change..i dont think any1 could complain anymore

 

[pip]

Well..most of the times i go up against a rr6+ NS with remedy and we start with anytime styles...i lose and he leaves with less than a swing's dmg HP. Unless i am lucky with Crits/Evades and land Stun too and purge is down. And with that change..i dont think any1 could complain anymore

Roll hunter fz them if they don't straffe you be ok

 

[theslayeruk]

Your shite with it and every other ns/infil straff will save your ass nothing more

You have two characters that I see in RvR; a hunter and a warlock, neither of which I use remedy on so how about stop talking bullshit?

 

[pip]

You have two characters that I see in RvR; a hunter and a warlock, neither of which I use remedy on so how about stop talking bullshit?

How about I log hunter kick your ass all over odins?

 

[Vladamir]

How about I log hunter kick your ass all over odins?

I'm so scared

 

[theslayeruk]

How about I log hunter kick your ass all over odins?

Get back to reality, I'm not in the mood to listen to deluded children who join a discussion with relatively no knowledge on the subject and try starting an e-peen competition. Bye.

 

[pip]

I'm so scared

You come to might balance the odds team with him

 

[pip]

Ok on a serious note remeby is like to infil/sb op like my fz to you

 

[Vodkafairy]

First of all, hugmeh is a rr9 sb, and as such you'd expect her to rely less on envenom then us lower rr ones do, and second of all, we as sbs dont really have any other choice then to spec for slashers, which im sure you're well aware off, and when im using slashers on slash resistent armour while str/con debuffed, im doing like 90-110 dmg mainhand, while NS with slashers with slashers and remedy up will return for around 300+ mostly... it doesnt take a math genius to figure out the outcome of such a fight

Ofc heaters are an option, but with CL buffs and AoM they're not as good an option as one might think

And tbh, if I had remedy/dragonfang/doublefrost prenerf, ofc I'd use it... but calling fights fair and challegening when you just press your IWIN button, isnt really being honest to yourself :touch:

when you start pulling random facts out of your ass we can have a discussion. theres nothing wrong with heaters, id have liked to use them myself but the pierce ones look so retarded and the slash ones are way too fast.

26%+10%-15% using heaters = 21% resist to heat + debuffproc. i hit on 26%-10%+5% slash = 21% slash.

and the rr difference? hugmeh is rr9, im r8 and so is illu. wow, such a massive difference! the truth is, he plays his sb in a totally different league from anyone else. indeed most sb's are instawin, and indeed remedy is overopowered, but unfortunately for you hugmeh proves every time that its overcomeable which means you have only yourself to blame for losing.

and i played in the prenerf dfrost and dfang times, i was slash back then when everyone laughed at me for not going pierce, i was cd/slash when everyone went /rofl irl when they heard about the spec. now i get whine for being overpowered. fucking comedy but one less shade for you to fight until you get remedy yourself, as i said, i cant wait for the new excuses.

 

[Dracus]

when you start pulling random facts out of your ass we can have a discussion. theres nothing wrong with heaters, id have liked to use them myself but the pierce ones look so retarded and the slash ones are way too fast.

26%+10%-15% using heaters = 21% resist to heat + debuffproc. i hit on 26%-10%+5% slash = 21% slash.

and the rr difference? hugmeh is rr9, im r8 and so is illu. wow, such a massive difference! the truth is, he plays his sb in a totally different league from anyone else. indeed most sb's are instawin, and indeed remedy is overopowered, but unfortunately for you hugmeh proves every time that its overcomeable which means you have only yourself to blame for losing.

and i played in the prenerf dfrost and dfang times, i was slash back then when everyone laughed at me for not going pierce, i was cd/slash when everyone went /rofl irl when they heard about the spec. now i get whine for being overpowered. fucking comedy but one less shade for you to fight until you get remedy yourself, as i said, i cant wait for the new excuses.

The difference also being SBs have for a long time, needed a fukcing GREAT! template to compete well. Ive tried to make one for my own SB and atm he does fairly well as SZ spec(almost beat rema with him having remedy up, my SB is 3l3)

Unless Im mistaken hugmeh has one of those temps. Not the deciding factor ofc, but it helps a LOT.

On my NS however I was beating ppl 3-4 RRs higher (my NS is also sub-RR5) with heaters and nothing but 10%spd and 85-90dex and a lotta hps.

The general NS has had it easier than the general SB in my experience, whatever the cause(this is ofc since NF started).

/Dracus

 

[theslayeruk]

The difference also being SBs have for a long time, needed a fukcing GREAT! template to compete well. Ive tried to make one for my own SB and atm he does fairly well as SZ spec(almost beat rema with him having remedy up, my SB is 3l3)

Unless Im mistaken hugmeh has one of those temps. Not the deciding factor ofc, but it helps a LOT.

On my NS however I was beating ppl 3-4 RRs higher (my NS is also sub-RR5) with heaters and nothing but 10%spd and 85-90dex and a lotta hps.

The general NS has had it easier than the general SB in my experience, whatever the cause(this is ofc since NF started).

/Dracus

You aren't mistaken; hugmeh's templates are generally extremely good (with the exception of one xd) but it's not very hard to create a shadowblade template, especially if you have access to con version of the legendary weps.

PS: whats the shadowblades name?