Wild West Mafia, Game#1

[Ch3tan]

Righto, well I have checked the town records and it seems we did allow a mercenary to take abode here a few years back. Seems his name has been blotted out though.

Now as to randoms claim. It seems that our Secret Sheriff does have the power to deputise. What is not clear is whether or not a bandit can be deputised? mod can you clarify?

for now though, to save a bandwagon rolling out of control.

unvote randomdeputy

vote Iceforge

 

[Olgaline]

-The Sheriff can deputize anyone he wishes during the day by pm'ing me
this person will be given the ability to roleblock anyone he/she see's fit on that night.

hope that clears up any questions and or confusion.

 

[Iceforge]

Hmm... I think RandomBastard took my post the wrong way, or well, we have a different view which makes him take it the wrong way.
I think it is accusing people when he said they acted suspeciously; Which means that questioning their voting = accusing. I thought that was clear in my previous post, which he then found suspicious and accusing of those people that I accused Ch3tan of accusing (getting confused?)

Anyway, I now think that Randombastard merely took 1 of my posts the wrong way, very wrong at that, but still understandable, so not putting my vote there.

I am also convinced now that Ch3tan is not scum.

I am also sure I can make Random stop voting me if I wanted, but not quite there yet, still lacking some pieces of the puzzle, but I urge people not to rush to judgement; While it hit gold day 1 on Golena, it did not bring us much further with the lynching of poor Rubric yesterday!

I guess it is time to put the law into function! *flashes sherif badge*
Now, here is what I know; As the sherif of this town, I have had my deputies, isn't that right, RandomBastard? Hope you enjoyed the star the night before last.
Found nobody qualified for it yesterday!
Ch3tan is innocent, I know this. The one who murdered ECA tonight was not the one who murdered Gohan, and Gohan's murderer failed tonight; I had figured the scum would go for either me or Ch3tan, so I made sure 1 of us remained safe. And as we are both alive today, I feel confident that Ch3tan is no criminal neither.
Slammed Old.Tohtori into the jammer the night before last, not sure you even noticed through, Old.Tohtori, you seemed to be sleeping quite tightly.

So, thats what I know and how I know it.

Now, RandomBastard can either confirm or deny being deputy on the night before last and perhaps Old.Tohtori can share if he remember anything about being put in the slammer.

 

[Iceforge]

For the love of ****** and now I notice RandomBastard revealed his deputy just while I had my back turned.
I got nothing to prove my innocence then; Great, great... that was sort of my only way to prove my job title to you people...

 

[Iceforge]

Unless Old.Tohtori can remember being in jail, which I doubt, as he slept so tight.

Just remember, if you lynch me today you scoundrels, that Ch3tan and RandomBastard are not to be blamed for my death, feel quite sure they are not actually scum; To clearify before where I was a bit vague; I protected myself this night, meaning bandits probarly targetted me to make Ch3tan look guilty, which is why I belive him to be innocent

 

[Iceforge]

By the way, deputiced random on the basics that he was willing to strike and stand firm where nobody else would; quite sure that spirit does not belong to bandits

 

[Iceforge]

Now I realise I can still prove my innocence, or atleast take a scumbag down with me!
If you was deputy yesterday, now tell the town.
If nobody steps forward, you know I spoke the truth before, and nobody was deputy.
If someone steps forward, you can lynch me, but then you will find out that I spoke the truth and know who the bandit who killed Mrs.Olga and Gohan was.
While I don't like to die, I swore to be willing to give my life to uphold the law in this city; If this is the way to do it, then so be it

 

[RandomBastard]

Well if iceforge is our sheriff, I'm going to go with the person who has hunted me from day one.

Vote: Will

 

[old.Tohtori]

Can't confirm your words Iceforge, i noticed nothing out of the ordinary. But if you say you did and you are the Sheriff, i guess i was sleeping that hard.

But since RandomBastard told he's a debuty and you said it yourself that you did deputise him, i find it hard to believe, if there's one bandit and one mercenary, that you're working together on this.

So that kinda leaves Will in a bad spot.

Unvote: RandomBastard

For now, need to think this through.

 

[old.Tohtori]

One thing did come to mind that might confirm Iceforges Sheriff status, but if i was thrown in jail, i would've been safe and there was only one death on night one.

This would mean that either the bandits or the mercenary failed.

 

[Uara]

Wow, thats a lot of information coming from Iceforge. Need some time to mull these things over, don't want to rush into another hasty lynchin!

 

[Ch3tan]

Now I realise I can still prove my innocence, or atleast take a scumbag down with me!
If you was deputy yesterday, now tell the town.
If nobody steps forward, you know I spoke the truth before, and nobody was deputy.
If someone steps forward, you can lynch me, but then you will find out that I spoke the truth and know who the bandit who killed Mrs.Olga and Gohan was.
While I don't like to die, I swore to be willing to give my life to uphold the law in this city; If this is the way to do it, then so be it

Well while you were coming out of your closet, you seem to have left your logic behind.

Why would anyone claim to be a deputy yesterday when you have already stated you did not deputise anyone?

 

[Ch3tan]

One thing I think we can assume, ECA did not do well as the tracker, he was only voting for people on the basis of low votes. So he did not "watch" anyone doing anything, and he did not defend anyone, so he was not ready to come out. Shame really, as he has left us with sod all.

*spits on his grave*

 

[Ch3tan]

For the love of ****** and now I notice RandomBastard revealed his deputy just while I had my back turned.
I got nothing to prove my innocence then; Great, great... that was sort of my only way to prove my job title to you people...

very convenient that young Forge. If I was more cynical foke I would think it a last desperate act of a condemned man.

 

[old.Tohtori]

What i am wondering is, how does Iceforge -know- Ch3tan is innocent? I have no reason to doubt Ch3tan, well no more then others, but this "i know he's innocent" claim did peek my curiosity.

Two choices really, Iceforge has very convincingly guessed a lot of things and claims to be the Sheriff to draw the real one out. Or, he is the Sheriff. With all sadi, i'm inclined to think he is the Sheriff, would like some other views on that.

Also, it could be our good Sheriff -could- have made a mistake and deputize a mercenary or the remaining bandit, this would give RandomBastard a very good "alibi".

All speculation though.

 

[Ch3tan]

Ch3tan is innocent, I know this. The one who murdered ECA tonight was not the one who murdered Gohan, and Gohan's murderer failed tonight; I had figured the scum would go for either me or Ch3tan, so I made sure 1 of us remained safe. And as we are both alive today, I feel confident that Ch3tan is no criminal neither.

This makes no sense what so ever. I would like to believe you, but you need to explain what you have said. I think we should all abstain from voting until we unravel this web.

"Ch3tan is innocent, I know this" - How? How do you know this. You base your assumption on the face that I was not killed last night? How flimsy. If you were a bandit/mercenary then you could claim that about anyone that did not die the previous night.

It seems to me you have moved to appease myself and random as we were leading the arguments against you.


"The one who murdered ECA tonight was not the one who murdered Gohan, and Gohan's murderer failed tonight;" - Okay pardner, now you really are stretching things. I consulted the town records again, and it states that:
"- Sheriff:
Each night the sheriff can choose to throw someone in jail, this effectivly incapasitates (roleblocks) that player, but also keeps that person out of harms way (protect) In adition, the sheriff can secretly during the day time by Pm'ing me apoint a Deputy for the comming night. and that person can then roleblock a target of his/her choosing. The sherif cannot talk to this player during the night, nor will the player learn who the sherif is, only that he/she has been chosen as the deputy for the night. The Deputy cannot! be a publicly declared Pro Town Role (wathcer, tracker,) a declared Townie is fine tho."

So how is it you know that they were killed by two different people? You are not the tracker, and you are not the watcher. You are the (apparently) the sheriff, who can only protect and roleblock.

Also how did gohans murderer fail tonight. You claim that you DID NOT deputise anyone yesterday, here: FreddysHouse - View Single Post - Wild West Mafia, Game#1

So if you did not deputise anyone, and you locked yourself up in jail last night, then who exactly stopped one of gohans killers?

Your story adds up less than a comment by random.

Please explain.

*waits*

 

[Ch3tan]

The one who murdered ECA tonight was not the one who murdered Gohan, and Gohan's murderer failed tonight;.
Slammed Old.Tohtori into the jammer the night before last, not sure you even noticed through, Old.Tohtori, you seemed to be sleeping quite tightly.

*clears throat*

Now if I am reading this right, you locked up toht on the first night, random, who did you roleblock?

On the second night, you must have roleblocked someone to state that the murderer failed. Who was that person?

Also, you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that ECA was killed by two different parties. So if you are saying that Gohans killer was not ECA's, then you are telling us we have 3 evils afoot? Bandits/ Mercenary / ?

Who is this mystery third party?

Seems to me like you making things up.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'm off for a nap after all this thinking, I'll be back about sunset, can we try not to be too hasty till then. I would like to hear answer from Iceforge.

unvote random/iceforge for now

 

[Will]

I'm confused now. Iceforge says Random and Ch3tan are innocent. He deputised RandomBastard on the first night, but this wouldn't prove his innocence, by my reading of the rules. And how does the fact Ch3tan is still alive prove he is innocent?

And if we kill Iceforge, we will know he is innocent, but we will also know who the bandit is?

Iceforges posts give me more questions that answers. And how does constantly voting for RandomBastard make me a bandit? I've always given my reasons, and he never answers them. At least I'm consistent.

Unvote for now anyway.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Have to apologize to Will here, checked back and true enough, you've voted for RandomBastard before and with other reasons.

 

[Uara]

Iceforge is like an episode of Lost constantly giving a small slice of answers our way and then throwing in even bigger possibilities. I have to ask how does Ch3tan not getting killled last nite prove he is innocent, I thought that if he had been killed thats a sure fire way he was innocent (if killed by the bandit of course, not the mercenary)! Unless of course u protected Ch3tan last night and thus only 1 person was killed.

But then that brings up the question of the apparent 2 parties involved in the killing of ECA. If 1 failed against Ch3tan then there must be 3 parties involved who wish us harm.

How would u kno this unless you yourself (referring to Iceforge still) are not actually the sheriff but a bandit/mercenary who tried to kill Ch3tan last nite and was blocked from doing so! Hmmmmmm I'm not going to put in a vote just yet but its looking mighty suspicious!

 

[Levin]

I must agree with Ch3tan that Iceforge's comments seem half made up half possibly true. It makes it really difficult to determine whether he IS the sheriff or or just trying to draw the real one out. I'd like to hear some clarifications too, and meanwhile i'll stick to my vote.

 

[Iceforge]

One thing did come to mind that might confirm Iceforges Sheriff status, but if i was thrown in jail, i would've been safe and there was only one death on night one.

This would mean that either the bandits or the mercenary failed.

Or one of the two, Mercenary or the Bandit(s), was unable to do a nightkill either way, which is why I have not totally negated you as a suspect

Well while you were coming out of your closet, you seem to have left your logic behind.

Why would anyone claim to be a deputy yesterday when you have already stated you did not deputise anyone?

IF an innocent person was deputized yesterday, you would know I was lying and you could go ahead and kill me.
If a person claiming to be deputized yesterday was truely deputized, I should show up as being a liar upon my death.
But if a bad guy claimed being deputized, but wasn't and you on my death found out I was truely your sherif, then you would know who the bad guy is.
Either way, if a town person, an innocent person, was truely deputized yesterday, he would have nothing to loose by stepping forward, as he would then KNOW that I was lying.
That is not going to be the case, because I did not deputize anyone yesterday, hence nobody can say so without lying and the only ones who would lie to get me killed would be bandits or mercenaries.

What i am wondering is, how does Iceforge -know- Ch3tan is innocent? I have no reason to doubt Ch3tan, well no more then others, but this "i know he's innocent" claim did peek my curiosity.

Come to think of it, I don't know it with absolute certainty, but I BELIEVE him to be innocent.
I must admit I took the cowards escape last night, and locked myself in my jailcell. I had thought about throwing Ch3tan in, but I realised that would not reveal whatever he was innocent or not, as if he was innocent, and someone targetted him, nothing would happen as he would be safe in the cell, but if he was guilty, he was not able to do anything from the cell, so either way would not give any new information.
I assumed that if Ch3tan was a bandit or mercenary that he would not be stupid enough to try and kill me right after having made a public heated argument with me, as that would throw attention his way. Instead, a bandit would have anything to gain by getting the attention thrown towards someone else.
But he might be a killer and tried to kill me, and then claim it would have been too obvious an act for it to have been him, so it is only belive, and not a know.

Also, it could be our good Sheriff -could- have made a mistake and deputize a mercenary or the remaining bandit, this would give RandomBastard a very good "alibi".

Again, entirely correct. Unfortunately he revealed he was deputized before I could call on him to confirm my story. If he had not done so, his actions could have given more clues to whatever he was a scum or innocent, as scum would have no interest in confirming my claims. But alas, I was too slow to reveal my identity, so that one is my fault.

"Ch3tan is innocent, I know this" - How? How do you know this. You base your assumption on the face that I was not killed last night? How flimsy. If you were a bandit/mercenary then you could claim that about anyone that did not die the previous night.

No, I base it on that there was only 1 killing tonight, and possible 2 killers out there, meaning one of them might have targetted me to make you look guilty. Only reason to hit me would be that, as I see it.

So how is it you know that they were killed by two different people?

If you look at the wounds and the way the killings was done (OOC: Look the moderators dawn scene in which he states it quite clearly) it definitely doesn't look like the same method or the same weapon was used and I wonder why someone would use 1 method to perform a kill and find out it works and then risk failure by shifting to a new method; That is very unlikely for a killer, as it increases the risk of getting caught in action.

Also how did gohans murderer fail tonight. You claim that you DID NOT deputise anyone yesterday, here: FreddysHouse - View Single Post - Wild West Mafia, Game#1

So if you did not deputise anyone, and you locked yourself up in jail last night, then who exactly stopped one of gohans killers?

As I already said in this post and previously (I think) Gohan's killer failed because he targetted me, not you, and the only reason I can see for targetting me was to get you to go down in the fall with me.

On the second night, you must have roleblocked someone to state that the murderer failed. Who was that person?

NO! I DID NOT BLOCK SOMEONE AS THEN WOULD I KNOW THE MURDERERS IDENTITY! I CLAIMED I PREVENTED A MURDER BY PROTECTING THE ONE WHO WAS GOING TO GET KILLED!
(Caps to increase understanding)

Also, you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that ECA was killed by two different parties. So if you are saying that Gohans killer was not ECA's, then you are telling us we have 3 evils afoot? Bandits/ Mercenary / ?

In the last post you claimed that I claimed there to be 2 parties without evidence, now you say I ignore there being 2 parties.
Read my posts, I only spoke about 2 parties; Bandits and Mercenaries. I don't know WHICH of those killed Gohan and which killed ECA, I seriously don't, but looking at the wounds on the victims, it was probarly not the same who killed Gohan as who killed ECA, so IF Bandits killed Gohan, then it was probarly the SK who killed ECA, which means the bandits failed to kill anyone this night, which means that they probarly targetted me (I was protected, so that would FAIL) which could make for a easy time getting people to lynch you today

 

[Iceforge]

Also, for the "Ch3tan is innocent" feeling/belief/knowledge I got now, Ch3tans behaviour of continuing to accuse me just adds to me thinking he is innocent.
If he had been a bandit or a mercenary, I would have expected him to jump on it like someone handing him a golden way for rescue. But he seems to be innocent and assumes I am trying to use him as my golden way for rescue, because what he says is absolutely true in many aspects; I can see why a bandit would act in many of the ways I do, trying to get a townie to confirm me being innocent by first claiming the townie innocent, it is a nice strategy to earn trust.
But just, if you do end up lynching me and find out I am speaking the truth, then remember how Ch3tan acted now as that is a big help to prevent further killings of the wrong people.
Anyway, kill me over killing Ch3tan would be my advice right now; Ch3tan's identity should not reveal much at the moment and sacrificed in the line of duty is not the most awefull death I can imagine.

Anyway, hope my last speech helped clear up some of the many things that was misunderstood from my earlier speeches

 

[Will]

So Iceforge is innocent, I'm innocent (obviously only I know this), and Ch3tan is probably innocent. And at least two of the other townfolks are scum.

Or Iceforge and RandomBastard are scum, working together, probably with a merc in the town as well.

This isn't really helping my head. I can't decide anything.

 

[Uara]

Maybe thats the plan by Ch3tan and Iceforge, to put us off by posting massive messages that leave us even more confused

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thank you for explaining things Iceforge and surely will take them into consideration, won't go nitpicking through it all to save fellow townies and my own brain though.

Two things have peeked my interest as i took a stroll from work to town hall.

Iceforge saying,

Also, for the "Ch3tan is innocent" feeling/belief/knowledge I got now, Ch3tans behaviour of continuing to accuse me just adds to me thinking he is innocent.

while there's SO much antipathy and screaming one way and other. It almost seems, don't take it the wrong way, silly to feel on gut on someone who tries to make you look like scum by all means.

Also...

*looks to his side*

Levin voting for Jimmy. Keeping away from all of this. Kind of been peeking my interest, as well as Jimmy for keeping really quiet.

 

[Levin]

Yes I've been keeping myself clear of this, since I don't understand people's arguments.

First of all I didn't understand the heat between Ch3tan, Iceforge and Random.

Second, I still don't understand Iceforge's reasoning about a couple things. He says one murder last night failed, when we could all see the signs of what looks like two different killers targetting the same victim. How does that have anything to do with him putting himself in jail and that preventing a kill? I doubt Iceforge was targetted, unless as Ch3tan says, there is a third party out there. But that would make absolutely no sense from night 1 when we had only one kill.

Third. If Iceforge put Tohtori in the slammer on night one, and we have only one nightkill that night - that would mean that either Tohtori was targetted and saved due to being in jail, or he is a bandit or mercenary who couldn't act due to being in jail. I also noted Tohtori's reaction when I first started talking about mercenaries. Are you a mercenary, Tohtori? Or is Iceforge lying? Or were you a target on that night, lucky to be alive?

Right now I've got a feeling someone is playing the high stakes here. And yes, Tohtori, my vote on Jimmy stays to see if it stirs anything up.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Third. If Iceforge put Tohtori in the slammer on night one, and we have only one nightkill that night - that would mean that either Tohtori was targetted and saved due to being in jail, or he is a bandit or mercenary who couldn't act due to being in jail. I also noted Tohtori's reaction when I first started talking about mercenaries. Are you a mercenary, Tohtori? Or is Iceforge lying? Or were you a target on that night, lucky to be alive?

First off have to ask, what reaction? I asked how you produced the info you had, you explained, i said ok. Or did i miss something sir?

Now about me being a mercenary, or a bandit, you forgot that possibility. Well, if i said i was the mercenary or remaining bandit, wouldn't that be a bit silly? It's a crooked question as no matter what i answer, it won't tell a thing. I can say i'm not a bandit nor a mercenary, but that would only be my word.

Interesting is that you throw the mercenary accusation the moment i even look sideways at you and not a moment before.

 

[Levin]

The reason i left out the bandit option is because of the reaction I was talking about. The reaction was just that.. you didn't seem to want to acknowledge that there was a mercenary until I pointed out the fact. Nothing major at all, but it stuck in my mind for some reason and made me wonder if you didn't want people to remember that we also have mercs in town. I wouldn't think twice about it if Iceforge hadn't mentioned you being in the slammer on night one, at the same time as we had one kill less than what I guess would be "normal" that night.

But as I said, since the slammer works both ways it may as well just be that someone tried to target you on that night, so we're none the wiser really.