Why is Midgard SUCH EASY MODE ???!

[faderullan]

Get real. Wake up from your dreamworld.

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by exe
One statement proves the other wrong, nice logic

Everlast, BO

Even rr5 merc>rr9-10 arms in terms of effectiveness.

zergy doesn't mean less perfected. There is two levels at work. One of very high rr guild groups, the other of low rr random groups who have a high population in alb and mid. One thing doesn't exclude the other. The two co-exist. The logic is fine.

Everlast and BO != NP or JH !!!!! Please !

I disagree about rr5 mercs, but we have run with all mercs (lower some lower rr) and I like to play with my friends who have rr8 9 10 armsmen too. We're leveling more mercs in the guild, but it takes time.

Still say pryd rvr isn't the same thing as excali rvr.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Asha


That is really not true. It just isn’t. That is the problem. Random mid groups are just about equal to most guild groups of Albion… and they very very easily knock down an Alb random group.
But you can also win 80% of them time with sloppy play and mistakes.[/b]

thats utter crap i'd get far far more rp if that was true. i'd be earning 500k+ a week instead of my usual 40-80k

No sorry a random mid group has 2 healers at least, a shammie, 3 savages… random alb group has a friar, cabalist, 2h paladin and 2 or 3 wizzards. I see them leaving apk, trust me. It’s not the same thing.

err no 2 healers 3 savages etc is not a random grp a random mid grp is like 1 bonedancer 1 runemaster 1 skald 3 warriors 1 healer 1 zerker running with no end

he difference is a random alb group probably won’t beat a random mid group and stands no chance vs a mid gg (why they zerg like mad). A random mid group will flatten a random alb group and will stand a good chance vs an alb gg. Sure I admit that it’s their own faults for bringing these chars to rvr, but that is the reality of how it is atm.

dont think 1 bonedancer 1 runemaster 1 skald 3 warriors 1 healer 1 zerker with no end has a huge advantage do u ?

I think the other main difference is that albion has abilities that fit into mid groups easily on classes that have no place in a “balanced” group. Disease for example. Healing on 4 classes … Rezzing on 4 members of the group instead of 3. A tank that can be defensive 50 shield w/o giving up 2h weapons

and how many of those armsmen would be willing to take a damage reduction nerf so they get 50 shield but speccing 50 in polearm only do same damage as a 50 weapon specced sword norseman warrior and the norseman warrior is allowed to wear plate and use 6.0 speed weapons and gain soldiers barricade as a ra and get an anytime snare with med hit, end and dam

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by Pandemic
err no 2 healers 3 savages etc is not a random grp a random mid grp is like 1 bonedancer 1 runemaster 1 skald 3 warriors 1 healer 1 zerker running with no end
[/B]

I don't think I've ever seen a group like that on excali, but sounds yummy, giv

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Asha
I don't think I've ever seen a group like that on excali, but sounds yummy, giv

been in loads like it on excalibur, hundreds in fact. very few if any none guild grp can get the 2-3 healer 3 savage 1 shammie 1 skald setup. most have to run without lots of fotm parts.

 

[Xeanor]

2h armsmen are a joke, it isn't good just because gunner is rr10

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Xeanor
2h armsmen are a joke, it isn't good just because gunner is rr10

agreed. but most armsmen spec 50/50 and igniore shield then they turn around and complain they they need a 1h and shield spec like the warrior. notice that they never mention anything about their damage not being uber compared to the warrior.

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by Xeanor
2h armsmen are a joke, it isn't good just because gunner is rr10

no, it's good cause it's gunner

 

[infozwerg]

I can't tell you how many times I have seen a NP/JH group mess up several times in a fight and us play almost perfectly and we lose.

when i think about encounters with your guild, the term "mediocre" comes to mind, not "almost perfect".

tbh FC are harder to beat than your group, and most FC rvr vids are in the category "how not to play albion".

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by infozwerg
when i think about encounters with your guild, the term "mediocre" comes to mind, not "almost perfect".

tbh FC are harder to beat than your group, and most FC rvr vids are in the category "how not to play albion".

you and your mom have something in common, you both love you

 

[faderullan]

Whats wrong with loving yourself?

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

It was blatantly obvious Albion had much weaker characters than Hibernia/Midguard even before savages, simply look at what characters were rolled on the PvP server (which is PURELY about rps). Nothing has changed since then to make Albion any better, if anything Midguard has simply got more desirable.


Ask NP the % of chars that were albion that they rolled.

Logically If its not 33% or there abouts the realms arent equal.

Purely from a blatant flame guess backup comment
i'll say they had 1... an infiltrator.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
It was blatantly obvious Albion had much weaker characters than Hibernia/Midguard even before savages, simply look at what characters were rolled on the PvP server (which is PURELY about rps). Nothing has changed since then to make Albion any better, if anything Midguard has simply got more desirable.


Ask NP the % of chars that were albion that they rolled.

Logically If its not 33% or there abouts the realms arent equal.

Purely from a blatant flame guess backup comment
i'll say they had 1... an infiltrator.

i wouldnt say the armsmen is any weaker than the warrior ? both have advantages and disavantages over the other and thats the 2 main tanks
sure the savage fucks it all up but so will the infil for albion

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by infozwerg
when i think about encounters with your guild, the term "mediocre" comes to mind, not "almost perfect".

tbh FC are harder to beat than your group, and most FC rvr vids are in the category "how not to play albion".

Cant say i agree with the above but...

BF have had probs with their core players so they lack some of the "old timers" but even then with RA's up i'd rate em higher then FC, At least they know how to /assist and /stick :/

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
It was blatantly obvious Albion had much weaker characters than Hibernia/Midguard even before savages, simply look at what characters were rolled on the PvP server (which is PURELY about rps). Nothing has changed since then to make Albion any better, if anything Midguard has simply got more desirable.


Ask NP the % of chars that were albion that they rolled.

Logically If its not 33% or there abouts the realms arent equal.

Purely from a blatant flame guess backup comment
i'll say they had 1... an infiltrator.

hmm, just looked
top 25 camlann: 9 albs 8 hibs 8 mids ^^

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by old.anubis
hmm, just looked
top 25 camlann: 9 albs 8 hibs 8 mids ^^

ha ha nice one mate

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

Funny theres 7 in the top 20

4 of the 7 being stealther duos.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Asha
zergy doesn't mean less perfected. There is two levels at work. One of very high rr guild groups, the other of low rr random groups who have a high population in alb and mid. One thing doesn't exclude the other. The two co-exist. The logic is fine.

The zergier the server is the harder it can be called "more perfected rvr wise" tbh.

Originally posted by Asha
Everlast and BO != NP or JH !!!!! Please !

Agree, they r still rr7+ and know how to play tho.

Originally posted by Asha
I disagree about rr5 mercs, but we have run with all mercs (lower some lower rr) and I like to play with my friends who have rr8 9 10 armsmen too. We're leveling more mercs in the guild, but it takes time.

Yeah, sacrifice grp effectiveness to relations instead of rolling and playing classes necessary for perfect grp

Originally posted by Asha
Still say pryd rvr isn't the same thing as excali rvr.

It isnt the same ofc, pryd has less zergs and more FG vs FG opportunities which imo RvR is about for hardcore players. The only prob on pryd is the lack of active hib RvR guilds and general hib activity atm.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
Funny theres 7 in the top 20

4 of the 7 being stealther duos.

http://www.nolbypride.se/daoc/herald/Camlann/herald.html

minstrels can be considered as non stealthers tho

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

np heralds out of date ;o

+ you cant take rps there now as all the main players left at the start, or are pling savages

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
np heralds out of date ;o

huh, and something changed since 2 weeks?
cleric is still the best healing class (as healer not mezzer - if you wanna put here healer whine #3261)
people come from camlann to mid and cant even believe it is possible to play without a cleric in a group

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

well yes the number of albs dropped ;o

and theres no dispute that clerics are a good healer, its their value in RvR that is,

would you take clerics exclusively over healers?

or more to the point, would you take 2 healers or 1cleric/sorc

 

[exe]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
or more to the point, would you take 2 healers or 1cleric/sorc

1 healer, 1 cleric tbh

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
well yes the number of albs dropped ;o

and theres no dispute that clerics are a good healer, its their value in RvR that is,

would you take clerics exclusively over healers?

or more to the point, would you take 2 healers or 1cleric/sorc

i'd take 1 healer and 1 cleric
enh/rej cleric > aug/mend healer, especially after asd is fixed (or nerfed, whatever)

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by infozwerg
when i think about encounters with your guild, the term "mediocre" comes to mind, not "almost perfect".

tbh FC are harder to beat than your group, and most FC rvr vids are in the category "how not to play albion".

lol estat your silly little dig doesn't bug me cause I know what the mid players I respect think of bf

have a nice day

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Asha

Let’s see. Albion Pryd is better than Alb Excali because they own the Pryd Mids… yet the best Pryd Mid guild is pbaoe… Which can’t be run on excali because it’s not uber enough… because the Albs on Excali… suck or we don’t suck? Which is it? Why can’t mids run pbaoe on excali? Because excali is different. It’s a different level of seriousness. I haven’t played there for 2 months but there were sooooo many ppl in epic it’s a joke. It’s NOT the SAME thing as RvR on excali. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

I don’t know what criticisms you can lay at BF other than we use more armsmen than mercs. I would love to hear them. I doubt any Albion/Pryd team could beat us.

Its pretty possible to play mid pbaoe on excalibur, but imo people just lack dedication for it =D

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
there is however more space for error on certain classes for example, imo a sorc is harder to play effectively and survive well than a pac healer of say a shammy.

space of error = dead to 1 good fg, doesnt matter wich realm it is (if the enemy know how to play their cards.. unfortunatly few do )

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by exe
It isnt the same ofc, pryd has less zergs and more FG vs FG opportunities which imo RvR is about for hardcore players. The only prob on pryd is the lack of active hib RvR guilds and general hib activity atm.

Really, blame savages. Sit about 1 hour at Druim Ligen making a 'perfect' setup (good players, good classes, etc etc) just to meet a random group of Mids heavily filled with FOTM-Savages blowing ALL RA's and insta's you got to beat them (with 3 casualties) and then get wasted in 3 seconds after it because a Mid GG asked where they died and comes rushing in with Speed 6 is NO fun.

Also being outnumbered all the time is no fun. 'Dont fight at AMG, you get additional stealthers'. 'Dont fight at MMG, you get additional stealthers'. Dont fight at DCX, all Mids go past it. Dont fight at Grogans, all Albs pass it.

Really, an average Hib-group has a survival rate at the moment on Prydwen of 0.5%. Resulting in boredom, frustration, no RP-gain (no higher RR = no RA's).

And those Mids keep farming and think 'OMG, we must be so much better'.. Well DUH, a RR7 savage owns a RR3 Valewalker (or Blademaster) flat-out.

You want Hibs in RvR? Make a non-savage week

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by old.Sko
Its pretty possible to play mid pbaoe on excalibur, but imo people just lack dedication for it =D

ye we know those BC castergroups , followed by a tankgroup :great:

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Aussie-
ye we know those BC castergroups , followed by a tankgroup :great:

nah atm we rarely have enough people to run 1 fg let alone 2fg its getting better though so hopefully we can start running regular 2fg guild grps again soon