who wins 1 on 1

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Cloak_

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lol im not honest !

As said before,

Any well played class can beat any other class.

All comes down to the person behind the screen :D
 
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sigh

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Originally posted by Pin
errrrr... he's not saying anything about 2h paladins. he's saying that a defensive paladin is not better than everyone else and can be beaten by several different classes out there.
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namely the new additions to mids character line.
And a few others that make life differcult. At the end of the day it all comes down to non-noobiness
 
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talivarevil

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after 1.65 fully bufefd necro> fully bufefd BD by a long way i imagine :p
 
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hotrat

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Originally posted by ab_fluid
why would a bard go into melee with the cabby :p and they can mezz the pet too, then just lull, dd osv until cabby drops, will only take 5 or so dd's for an unbuffed cabby. Overall i don't fink its possible to name 1 class that will always win 1 on 1 as theres always a class that can beat another class with relative ease
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Ok bard vs caba, this actually is quite a tricky duel. At start bard runs toward cabalist and uses his amnesia to stop the qc nearsight, they also mezz the pet. Cabalist see's the bard has got to close to nearsight so attempts to qc root. If bard uses the ST amnesia first, then the ae, then the ST again they can interupt the first 3 qc attempts, but the third will cast. Now cabalist backs off a few steps and bard mezzes him, if caba gets out of dd range bard has no chance. Now if bard breaks mezz he is still rooted, if they wait for root to run out the mezz on the caba pet will run out and no way will the bard win with that pet on him.

NEXT! :)

Nat/reg druid with MoC/group purge/raging power up. Root pet, dot cabba, MoC and spam heals on yourself when cabba MoC's and nukes then when both MoC run out you melee em down with your pets help. (+ 2 insta heals if you can't spam heals fast enough/cabba gets a few nasty qc nukes on after MoC)
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Very easy for caba without ra's, just root the druid, nearsight, stick pet on, dot and kite.
With ra's though:
Man this is difficult, think i got the solution:

Caba opens with nearsight on the druid and puts his pet to attack. Druid puts his pet on caba and ST insta roots the pet (cant cast root cus interupted by nearsight). Caba qc roots druid pet, but druid GP's. Caba then runs to his pet so it can melee the druid pet and proc disease onto it. Meanwhile druid is dot'ing the cabalist so cabalists casts moc, releases his pet makes a new one, then disease then debuff, then lifetap druid and puts pet to attack. Druid counters with MoC, cure disease and heals and ae insta root on pet. Cabalist is now back to full health and druid pet should be diseased. Caba then releases his pet again and uses second QC ra (or normal QC if timer is up) to make another pet! (use RP if low on power). Puts pet on druid, druid gets diseased, caba kites druid pet and druid until druid is dead.

Damn that took a long time to think, I bet someone finds a flaw in it as well :)

Light eld would be whoever lands nearsight first I guess, unless you start duel really close, then caba would prolly win cus pet would interupt, also if both have moc and purge i put my money on caba cus of the lifedrain.
 
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Vasconcelos

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None mencioned mercs...


Tho im speaking only from my /duel challenge experience (dont use to solo rvr), only lost duels against high rr palys due to the shit loads of hps they have (although using end regen pots makes things easier). With Dirty Tricks up ive beaten friars, arms, low rr palys, stealthers, reavers...

The only duel experience in rvr was against Alderian's heroe once in Odins hmg, but think he was lvl 49 by the time.

Oh! It`s funny to use DTs against savages n see multiple hits fumbling in a row :p
 
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sigh

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Talking about hybrids....why arent Champions viabale for rvr groups nowa days, I would have thought with 2 driuds, 3 purges are at hand, so det is'nt a big factor as it is for mid and alb, a debuffing/snare nooker would be great for /assist , just a thought. Altho det is fooking nice :p
 
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Cloak_

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You mentioned the main problem, Lack of det.

Also expensive purge/IP - crap HP and useless specific RA.

2 Druids in 1 grp doesnt happen that often either ;/
 
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Sturrm

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It all comes down to how well you play your Character.

Considering Champ is the only Char I play, if I don't play him well I'm fooked.

Champ vs Warden, Use Fast 1h weapon to break pbt then switch to a 2h Falcata at 4.6 speed, this will beat a warden everytime.

Champ vs Hero..... Every1 thinks a Champ has no hitpoints, In duel Champ has MORE hitpoints than a Hero thanks to Str/Con Buff for the Champ and Str/Con Debuff for the Hero.

Champ vs BM, Generally 2-3 hits = Dead BM

Champ vs Mages, Instants interupt all casting = Dead Mage

As for Champ RvR viability, Determination blah blah blah, I always run with 2 Druids. I have Purge. The bard i run with (Loved) sits next to me (irl) so the Mez Cure is always there when needed.

And finally ill gif you an Example....

Sorc gets spotted by Hero.... Hero Charges.... Sorc casts Mez.... Hero is Mezzed.

Sorc gets spotted by Champ.... Champ Charges.... Sorc casts Mez.... Champ casts Instant DD.... Sorc cannot cast Mez....Champ Breaks Sorc pbt.....Sorc casts Mez.... Champ Casts Str/Con Debuff.... Sorc cannot cast Mez..... Sorc DEAD.

I agree Determination would be nice, but imo when life gives you Lemons, Make Lemonade, Instead of complaining about my Char not having Certain skills/Ra's, I take the best things my Char does have and exploit them as much as possible.

I think a proper question is....

What is Better, A Hero with Determination that doesn't care much if he gets mezzed or a Champ that hates getting mezzed and will do everything possible to avoid it.

Everything comes down to...... Playskills > Character capability
 
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ab_fluid

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Originally posted by Sturrm
It all comes down to how well you play your Character.

Considering Champ is the only Char I play, if I don't play him well I'm fooked.

Champ vs Warden, Use Fast 1h weapon to break pbt then switch to a 2h Falcata at 4.6 speed, this will beat a warden everytime.
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duel me okthx good not had a close fight with a champ yet
 
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zane

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Originally posted by talivarevil
after 1.65 fully bufefd necro> fully bufefd BD by a long way i imagine :p
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Would be fun to see cause up to this day every solo necro I've met have at the most made 10% dmg to my hp and then their pet has been dead(and my hp bar full again). Lots of the times I havn't even been buffed...
 
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Cloak_

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Sturrm maybe you forget that HP to hero is about equal even when buffed (ok str/con debuff) but then hero got m00sey
 
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boni_ofdavoid

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Originally posted by Cloak_
Sturrm maybe you forget that HP to hero is about equal even when buffed (ok str/con debuff) but then hero got m00sey
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and a well equipped hero has selfbuffs and debuffs too :)
 
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lofff

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well played champ is king of 1vs1 (considering both duelers unbuffed/selfbuffed or both buffed to tits) well, thats imo, and cba with those threads:p

only posting for a lil note: cloak, my champ has 1790hp selfbuffed, over 2.1k fullybuffed, no hero has that much hp unbuffed and most heros have betwen 2.2 and 2.4k hp fully buffed


ps: if u start talking bout augmentation healers or nature droods or wardens or.. chars that could only win 1vs1 due to extralong fight (kill over time) ur talking bout sth that has nothing to b with rvr, and then, high rank fully buffed minstrel > all, due to its versatility
 
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Cloak_

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My champ has 1667 HP selfbuffed (admittedly wearing epic and crap items :p) so id expect to get ~1800 myself

Other problem is that Hero have higher WS.

Not sayin your not a great champ Lofff (hell it was coz i saw Cuth and yourself in beta why I made a champ in the first place :p )

But on paper _inc_ra`s_ Hero looks better melle fighter.
 
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zoia

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Originally posted by samildanachh
reaver best 1v1 char
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Definately one of the classes i have the most trouble with.
Fought some rr3ish unbuffed reavers a couple of times when i have been buffed by my 34 bot.
They can still get me down to 40% even if i purge their slam.
Not many unbuffed classes of low rr can do that, even if my buffs are only blue ;)

Not really any best 1 vs 1 class imo, all classes have some classes they can beat easier than others.
Except BDs maybe? :p
 
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poppamies

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well i havnt lost that many 1 on 1 fights.
Killed an armsman 1 on 1 =) low rr he was tho (rr3)
Got jumped by 2 infis and a minsterl onec, killed the 2 infis lost to the minsterl tho =(
But then if i was one of the infis i would /del th chars since i wouldnt stand getting killed by a healer =)
 
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parzi

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Originally posted by hercules-df
necro vs bd, both buffed etc.

also pre LA nerf zerker vs Current Savages?

and which class/spec wins a big giant tourney if there was some fair way to duel
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actually there was a big tournament, first the classes fought each other, then the winners of that fought against each other, and the thane won :D
 
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Cuthervaen

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?? I was Malkaen a warden in beta ? And seeing me as a warden in beta decided me to play champ in release haha! Actually it was Kirnan who did convince me ;)

From my duel experience Hero were not a big problem, even when they moose. BMs are even less of a problem (they're dead before you run out of end, or their higher damage over time comes into the equation). High RR Shades are very luck based duels (no way to stun them if they know how to /face as they don't parry), sometimes you trash them in 2 blow, sometimes they get you.

Warden as sturm said, unstyled 1h hit, then styled falcatta hit, sometimes 2 unstyled 1h hit in a row can trigger a parry from them, then if u can switch fast enough to 2h it's all good :p

High RR druids can be real hard, Terminus would have beaten me using MoC and all if he hadn't healed me by mistake once or twice :p

Against other realm chars, hmm, shield pally are hard (maybe unkillable if you have 2 hours dialup cutoff ;) ), BD are messy, never tried Reaver or savage yet in truely 1vs1 situation (some bugger popped everytime) but would love to.

Good merc like Alpha is real hard, infil would be much luck based I guess (if you resist debuff you'll parry a lot of infils/shadowblades hits with a good parry and MoParry).

All this talk refers to duels, ie 1vs1 fights with boh sides equally buffed (or unbuffed) ofc ;)

The realm dueling tourneys were fun, would be nice to be able to do a cross realm one (with decent referees in each realm to ensure fairness ofc)
 
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Cuthervaen

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Anyone who's been long enough around here will have corrected by himself :), meant mincer ofc.

Merc, dunno if they'd be real harder than BMs, DT has been fixed though (and really needed it)

Good thing Alpha in gorge used to allow anyone to try his luck, several times a day if needed ;)
 
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ilaya

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done some tests today! Shield/blunt lurikeen champ >> celt ranger! :)

anyhoo...

Sturmm.. if all champions were gonna play their chars to their best abilities.. the lemons/lemonade thing yeah...

why go LW?
 
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samildanachh

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i think more of it it down to the player than the class
 
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Cloak_

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Hmm then wtf was it I saw camping base of atk in beta, cudve sworn it was Lofff and urself :)
 
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