What Migard class deserves the next nerf after the savage ?

[Wuren]

Anyway, does someone seriously really think that Savages are balanced as they are? If so, Im eager to hear the reason why.

Edit: Carlos you are not allowed to post.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Wuren
Anyway, does someone really think that Savages are balanced as they are? If so, Im eager to hear the reason why.

And no, Carlos you are not allowed to post.

no, they are not
they are missing 9 seconds rear stun

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.anubis
no, they are not
they are missing 9 seconds rear stun

errrr... since when did savages need 9 seconds to kill anyone? 5 is plenty

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Pin
errrr... since when did savages need 9 seconds to kill anyone? 5 is plenty

since introduction of moc and spreadheal

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.anubis
since introduction of moc and spreadheal

pfft. get another to put /assist on his QB then.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Pin
pfft. get another to put /assist on his QB then.

still stun is handy
why do they have it and we dont
/cry
gimme, gimme, pliiz

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Not really. The snare is not affected by determination from disease and has no immunity timer.

Also smite-cleric insta mezz is on a way longer timer. You cant compare these two.

well if you use disease as way of escape a 15% snare still is worse than a mezz which got decreased by determination, IF they both have same delve duration. And the person i responded to wanted to put the same timer on the disease+radius+duration on which i responded that the duration should be longer as its gives you a 15% snare, if you only want to use it for the same thing.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by driwen
well if you use disease as way of escape a 15% snare still is worse than a mezz which got decreased by determination, IF they both have same delve duration.

That statement would only be valid if the tank only had Det1.

But the mezz duration is 30s on full smite spec vs 3 minutes on a full cave spec. With a 5 minute recast instead of 8seconds.

And remember that disease isn't just a snare

Originally posted by driwen
And the person i responded to wanted to put the same timer on the disease+radius+duration on which i responded that the duration should be longer as its gives you a 15% snare, if you only want to use it for the same thing.

Yes, the duration should be longer than a mezz, but the insta should have a recast measured in minutes, not seconds. The radius could probably be reduced, but that's more an issue with the pathetic radius on the cleric mezz, than an overpowered radius on disease.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Pin
Yes, the duration should be longer than a mezz, but the insta should have a recast measured in minutes, not seconds. The radius could probably be reduced, but that's more an issue with the pathetic radius on the cleric mezz, than an overpowered radius on disease.

I dont know the pbaoe disease well and im guessing that mythic never intended to be spammed like it can be now. Also I only mentioned the duration as the others can be reasoned about. But if you want an escape option maybe an insta pbae root would be easier to balance compared with clerics insta pbae mezz.
But I do find it funny that people already found the new target after savages to whine about, allthough mids got for hibs enchanters/hibs RA and for albs DF/bof and sos. So every realm whines about something in the other realm, which is to be expected unless every realm is the same.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.anubis
still stun is handy
why do they have it and we dont
/cry
gimme, gimme, pliiz

wtf u want stun for? Your healers have already made everyone immune to it?

 

[etcetra]

Originally posted by Pin
Change Midgard end regen to a chant, and move it to the Thane

ilu!

 

[akula]

nerf DF and give grp purge to all realms,

even table a little i guess

 

[sorusi]

nerf thanes (kick them really hard when they still are on the ground)

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by driwen
he wanted to kill the shaman..

i didnt want to kill the shamen i wanted to kill u both. shammy was still stood right behind me.

 

[Chuffy]

End on thanes sounds like a fine idea.

Also because mid has the fewest classes give them a new caster.
But instead of having to think up a new one lets just move the sorc over from alb. Then we can swap healer pac with cleric smite line to even up the cc issues and pow regen.

And while youre at it dissolve cabalists and distribute a few of their skills to other classes. At least then we get to use AE disease.

Oh and dont forget to bring arms and heros up to warrior level. Give me a good reason for warriors WS increase other than low warrior population.

Also lower BoF to 30% absorb.

Oh and a seperate thrust spec for Arms/Pallys with pure Str requirement and no evade styles.

And nerf druid pet.

And nerf dragonfang. And give infil 2.2 specs. Why stop there lets put all assassins back to 2x and nerf buffbots. What use do assassins really serve other than leeching potentially enjoyable fg fights.

 

[gunner440]

ur sooo great chuff

 

[envenom]

give sms runie speed

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by K0nah
i was rooted, which i purged to go for the shamen, meanwhile the savage 2-shot strondor, making it 2v1 fyi, did u goto primary school btw?

Time to set some numbers straight.

First of all - 4 attacks on Strondor btw, not 2. Took you ~ 20 seconds to purge too.

Originally posted by K0nah
40% of my hp is one or two cap speed swings from a savage on average. i.e. i had 3 seconds to live.

You were at 40% after 4 swings, nowhere near cap speed btw
Also, you lasted exactly 40 seconds even with shaman healing me.

Originally posted by K0nah
a shamen and savage with unlimited endurance and a savage chaining one of his most dmging styles on my arse the whole chase? yeh really smart...

not until you stood still, didn't touch you before that

Originally posted by K0nah
yes i may have killed the shamen but i woulda been in no fit state to finish the savage thats for damn sure.

2-3 more hits from you to kill the shammy, rather than having both the shammy and savage at full health throughout the entire battle? Also - you managed to chop off ~70% of my buffed hp if you don't count the heals I got during that time. ( you hit pretty hard btw )

Originally posted by K0nah
the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story.

Now I know what you tried to do atleast - that's all I wanted to know, thanks.

 

[Spix]

Originally posted by Chuffy
End on thanes sounds like a fine idea.


Oh and dont forget to bring arms and heros up to warrior level. Give me a good reason for warriors WS increase other than low warrior population.

No plate?

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by sorusi
nerf thanes (kick them really hard when they still are on the ground)

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by driwen
well if you use disease as way of escape a 15% snare still is worse than a mezz which got decreased by determination, IF they both have same delve duration./

I dont agree there. Mezz is often used in the beginning of the fight so you end up insta-PB-mezzing immune people. As a result the disease (with no immunity) is better because you dont run the risk of encountering immunity.

Also mezz duration is alot shorter then disease duration and I dont think disease suffers AoE-falloff on duration where PB-mezz does.

And the person i responded to wanted to put the same timer on the disease+radius+duration on which i responded that the duration should be longer as its gives you a 15% snare, if you only want to use it for the same thing.

Disease also str-debuffs (abit) and cuts heals in half. Combined with no immunity I rate insta-PB-disease ALOT better then insta-PB-mezz. And the 8 sec timer is just way too low.

Against a good Mid-group I am almost 90% of the time diseased even when interrupting the shammy all the time.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by driwen
I believe he was basing his chances on getting an evade of as mercenary, who has 5% base evade and is unbuffed facing a buffed opponent. So I doubt his chance on evading where high and so he would have been better of killing of the shaman and getting hit for 40 damage more per hit than letting the shaman heal the savage and end up killing no one.

Ow its Whisperess btw.

psst..... I know

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Nol
wtf u want stun for? Your healers have already made everyone immune to it?

oouu touche

I seem to say that a lot, but its so trooo

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by akula
nerf DF and give grp purge to all realms,

even table a little i guess

DF is already nerfed we rarely get it these days, maybe we should take more keeps.....

 

[hotrat]

What about minstrel, stealth class with chain?

In a one vs one fight evade 7 is much more useful that chain armor. The only reason a minstrel has chain instead of high evade is for when they are grouped and don't use their stealth ability.

Mezz is often used in the beginning of the fight so you end up insta-PB-mezzing immune people. As a result the disease (with no immunity) is better because you dont run the risk of encountering immunity.

Agreed, who wants a mezz that sticks for about 1 second on a determination tank (if they are not already mezz immune) or who wants a disease that sticks for 1 minute, snaring the tank and reducing their damage output.

Also if a cleric uses pbae mezz the sorc cannot then try and mezz the tanks chasing them with a long duartion mezz, if a shaman diseases the tanks the pac healer can also mezz those tanks.

 

[kirennia]

just to clear summit up, cleric pbaoe mezz is on a different timer to sorc mezz. It is still a pile of poo though, really don't know what mythic are upto with clerics but they need to pull the finger out, lack of clerics is nasty atm :/

 

[stunned]

I think skalds should get some love to be on par with savage, healers and shammy in a fotm group.

Its totally unfair Skalds dont get any aoe to interrupt since they do less dmg then Savage.

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by Chuffy
And nerf dragonfang. And give infil 2.2 specs. Why stop there lets put all assassins back to 2x and nerf buffbots. What use do assassins really serve other than leeching potentially enjoyable fg fights.

so funny because its so true

 

[peder]

I READ THIS MSG MANY TIES
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SAVAGE NO DETERINATIONS

 

[Crashtje]

kk sharp funs up imo