What Migard class deserves the next nerf after the savage ?

[nuky]

Originally posted by zmurf

pbaoe disease is the best disease in the game, and should either be handed out to every realm, as it is not overpowered in any other way than midgard is only realm with it, or removed.
Give it to friar/paladin and warden/bard imo, then it's on a 'support' char in every realm and not on main healer char in either, cleric/healer/druid ...

are you a complete idiot?

the pbaoe disease is on the shaman as its the only way he has to defend himself when anything gets into melee with him, as far as i know they are the only class in the game that, once someone is in melee, they do not have quick cast or are able to melee back (and healer insta's).

if ur gonna say take it away, people like u r the reason the game is how it is - u cant take it away without giving some kinda of compensation ie quickcast, insta root on xxx timer or somethin - the disease is fine as it is - all realms cant be the same otherwise the game is just going to get more boring than it currently

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by K0nah
hmm lets see, i was ooe and by the time your elite rear stun wore off i was mostly dead, the way i figured it by the time i killed the shammy (who was at ~50% not 20%) your rear quad hits woulda dropped me. so i turned around, fired dirty tricks, popped and end potion and tried to get my parry stun chain off on u.

i failed.

grats u beat an unbuffed player 2v1.

u pwn.

lol it was 2 vs 2 . You had a caster along with you and you stayed alive for 35 seconds beating on aenix (the savage) as you had IP up. The shaman was indeed at 50% and so were you or atleast 40%. Now swinging ooe on a shaman instead of a savage would be smarter. Certainly as that would prevent anyone getting healed and you getting diseased (unless you were that already).

 

[belth]

Give the shammy PBAoE disease same duration, recast timer and radius as cleric PBAoE mezz...

 

[StormriderX]

I think mids need to cry more bout the "we get nerfed every patch boo fucking hoo".

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by belth
Give the shammy PBAoE disease same duration, recast timer and radius as cleric PBAoE mezz...

And in a silly specline, put it on their mendingline or something.

 

[nuky]

u really dont have any clue on how much what u r suggesting would effect active RvR shamans do u?

for a start in the last patch we got nerfed (no where near being able to buff our group to the correct extent)

and now u want our only defence to be taken away.

my current spec on my shammy is 43aug/32cave/6mend - with the lvl 27 pbaoe disease - do u have ANY idea how many times i have to fire that pbaoe disease to get it to stick? resists on it are bloody shocking.

if here on excal u r recieving a lot aggro from the pbaoe disease then u have a hell of a lot of high cave shammy's - and if this is the case the group the belong to would suffer from the lower aug spec in other areas.

full cave shamans are about as useful in group RvR as this servers renowned (sp?) 2h paladins


EDIT: try playing a class before u cry nerf things and have no idea of the outcome of that nerf.

give mid and hib spec af btw :|

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by belth
Give the shammy PBAoE disease same duration, recast timer and radius as cleric PBAoE mezz...

uhm about duration, if the mezz sticks you stand still, if the disease sticks you are snared for 15%. So it wouldnt have the same kind of effect then?

and puppetmistress pbaoemezz of cleric is in smite right? So why cant pbaoe disease be in cave?

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by driwen lol it was 2 vs 2

i was rooted, which i purged to go for the shamen, meanwhile the savage 2-shot strondor, making it 2v1 fyi, did u goto primary school btw?

The shaman was indeed at 50% and so were you or atleast 40%.

40% of my hp is one or two cap speed swings from a savage on average. i.e. i had 3 seconds to live.

Now swinging ooe on a shaman instead of a savage would be smarter.

a shamen and savage with unlimited endurance and a savage chaining one of his most dmging styles on my arse the whole chase? yeh really smart...

yes i may have killed the shamen but i woulda been in no fit state to finish the savage thats for damn sure.

the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by K0nah
i was rooted, which i purged to go for the shamen, meanwhile the savage 2-shot strondor, making it 2v1 fyi, did u goto primary school btw?

cool flaming, anyway it was 4 shots and it took the savage 22 seconds to kill strondor. So I would say it was 2 vs 2 fight, also if the savage purge was down. Strondor would most likely have killed the shaman with your help.

40% of my hp is one or two cap speed swings from a savage on average. i.e. i had 3 seconds to live.
a shamen and savage with unlimited endurance and a savage chaining one of his most dmging styles on my arse the whole chase? yeh really smart...

uhm the damage from clans call versus wild call is around 40 damage per hit difference, now leaving the shaman to heal does more than evil to that 40 damage. You also had ip up so you survived for 35 seconds not 3

yes i may have killed the shamen but i woulda been in no fit state to finish the savage thats for damn sure.

and now you did neither, go you

the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story.

im guessing you tried to pull off dragonfang with your mighty evade 1, while you were unbuffed and he was? Which means you most likely have around 1% chance of evading him and then you have to pull it off before he swings again?

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Xarr

cry more oO

Now dont get me wrong but didnt anybody get the feeling of deja vu when they saw the first picture and thought of <PAIN> ??

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by zoia
Then they would need a thane in the group. That would be the worst nerf to Mid ever.

Oh yeah....then its a good idea...

 

[acei]

All i want is a decent smite spec-line, one similar to the healers pac line would be good.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by nuky
the pbaoe disease is on the shaman as its the only way he has to defend himself when anything gets into melee with him, as far as i know they are the only class in the game that, once someone is in melee, they do not have quick cast or are able to melee back (and healer insta's).

Clerics.

Originally posted by nuky
if ur gonna say take it away, people like u r the reason the game is how it is - u cant take it away without giving some kinda of compensation ie quickcast, insta root on xxx timer or somethin

Cleric mezz.

Originally posted by nuky
the disease is fine as it is - all realms cant be the same otherwise the game is just going to get more boring than it currently

Disease is the only form of CC not effected by Determination, and without an immunity timer, it's also the one with the longest duration, and this instant version has the shortest recast timer of any instant CC by a factor of 37.5.

Originally posted by nuky
u really dont have any clue on how much what u r suggesting would effect active RvR shamans do u?

Cleric mezz.

Originally posted by nuky
and now u want our only defence to be taken away.

Cleric mezz.

Originally posted by nuky
my current spec on my shammy is 43aug/32cave/6mend - with the lvl 27 pbaoe disease - do u have ANY idea how many times i have to fire that pbaoe disease to get it to stick? resists on it are bloody shocking.

Cleric mezz.

Originally posted by nuky
if here on excal u r recieving a lot aggro from the pbaoe disease then u have a hell of a lot of high cave shammy's - and if this is the case the group the belong to would suffer from the lower aug spec in other areas.

Mid-high Smite Clerics. Having these the group would suffer from lower healing/buffs.

Originally posted by nuky
full cave shamans are about as useful in group RvR as this servers renowned (sp?) 2h paladins

Smite Clerics.

Originally posted by nuky
give mid and hib spec af btw :|

Every realm has had access to spec AF for over a year. Every class has it on their epic chest pieces, for example.

And if you talk about the Shaman not being able to give end buffs + the rest to every member, what about the Clerics not being able to give Spec AF + the rest to all members.

 

[Deskiziado]

Healers: remove ae stun
Skald: give instruments and make insta mezz castable
Bonedancers: Drainlife short range of drainflife to 500 (like albion blue con pet class) and highly increasing it pow cost
Hunters: remove insta pet
Spiritmaster (and chanter): remove pet of baseline and move to spec without PBAOE
Runemasters: move debuffs to supression
Shaman: change end buff to for end chant. This class have lots of mage abilities, wear it with cloth such hibs and alb mages or remove bolts, dd and dots
Thane: give three new spec lines: slash, crush and thrust and lower damage is no spec it, and move instant DD and and auto aid melle dmg to spec line in stormmcalling.
Warrior: give three new spec lines: slash, crush and thrust and lower damage is no spec it
Savages: remove pure tank realm abilities

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by K0nah
hmm lets see, i was ooe and by the time your elite rear stun wore off i was mostly dead, the way i figured it by the time i killed the shammy (who was at ~50% not 20%) your rear quad hits woulda dropped me. so i turned around, fired dirty tricks, popped and end potion and tried to get my parry stun chain off on u.

i failed.

grats u beat an unbuffed player 2v1.

u pwn.

pfft you've blown the illusion that Whisperette actually knows something now, shame on you

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by K0nah
i was rooted, which i purged to go for the shamen, meanwhile the savage 2-shot strondor, making it 2v1 fyi, did u goto primary school btw?



40% of my hp is one or two cap speed swings from a savage on average. i.e. i had 3 seconds to live.



a shamen and savage with unlimited endurance and a savage chaining one of his most dmging styles on my arse the whole chase? yeh really smart...

yes i may have killed the shamen but i woulda been in no fit state to finish the savage thats for damn sure.

the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story.

If you had beaten them we wouldnt be hearing it from Whisperette I suspect...

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Pin


Edited -------

Every realm has had access to spec AF for over a year. Every class has it on their epic chest pieces, for example.

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You gotta love the Shield on the necros you know, the one they cant use cuz some twat nerfed it...

Not a dig to you (Cuz you is the DAOC god) but just a reaffirming statement about Mythic being tarts.

 

[)nick(]

Originally posted by Pin

Cleric mezz.

Druid erm.... erm.... pet!!!11111111

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by quinthar
If you had beaten them we wouldnt be hearing it from Whisperette I suspect...

I believe he was basing his chances on getting an evade of as mercenary, who has 5% base evade and is unbuffed facing a buffed opponent. So I doubt his chance on evading where high and so he would have been better of killing of the shaman and getting hit for 40 damage more per hit than letting the shaman heal the savage and end up killing no one.

Ow its Whisperess btw.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by driwen
I believe he was basing his chances on getting an evade of as mercenary, who has 5% base evade and is unbuffed facing a buffed opponent. So I doubt his chance on evading where high and so he would have been better of killing of the shaman and getting hit for 40 damage more per hit than letting the shaman heal the savage and end up killing no one.

Ow its Whisperess btw.

He's Slash, so I really doubt it. He was hoping for a Parry.

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by Pandemic
what midgard class do people want to see nerfed (bug fixed, balanced) after the savage nerf comes in ?

Hmm then it should be perfect (healer is still the best char ingame - but been that always and should stay that).


So none from midgard, but dragonfang and chanter spec (move focus shield to enchantments).

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Pin
He's Slash, so I really doubt it. He was hoping for a Parry.

ah ok forgot to check dual wield line for a stun, so still not my best bet as you have to parry first and then get of a 2nd in a chain. Besides the stun will max be 9 secs(most likely less?). And it would take him most likely 10 secs of fighting before he got the stun off, so 10 secs of taking damage then switching to shaman. 9 secs later the savage is hitting him again, wouldnt it have been better to not change and atleast kill the shaman?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by driwen
ah ok forgot to check dual wield line for a stun, so still not my best bet as you have to parry first and then get of a 2nd in a chain. Besides the stun will max be 9 secs(most likely less?). And it would take him most likely 10 secs of fighting before he got the stun off, so 10 secs of taking damage then switching to shaman. 9 secs later the savage is hitting him again, wouldnt it have been better to not change and atleast kill the shaman?

No, the plan would have been to stun the savage, then pull out the side chain a couple of times and kill the savage. We all know you can't catch a shaman who doesn't want to be caught.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Pin
No, the plan would have been to stun the savage, then pull out the side chain a couple of times and kill the savage. We all know you can't catch a shaman who doesn't want to be caught.

the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story. <-- from konah

he wanted to kill the shaman..

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by driwen
the plan was to stun the savage, kill the shamen and return to the now unbuffed savage. that stun never came. if it had u might be telling a different story. <-- from konah

he wanted to kill the shaman..

ah well. bad plan then

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by Pin
Every realm has had access to spec AF for over a year. Every class has it on their epic chest pieces, for example.

Your not serious are you? LOL @ comparing a 10 min charge to a perma conc spec buff. I know you know the game dude but thats some dumb shit imo.

B.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by nuky
are you a complete idiot?

the pbaoe disease is on the shaman as its the only way he has to defend himself when anything gets into melee with him, as far as i know they are the only class in the game that, once someone is in melee, they do not have quick cast or are able to melee back (and healer insta's).

Why does it have to be on such a ridicule short timer? If it was compensation for quickcast then why not for starters put it on the same timer as quickcast?

And why is there no immunity to disease?

if ur gonna say take it away, people like u r the reason the game is how it is - u cant take it away without giving some kinda of compensation ie quickcast, insta root on xxx timer or somethin - the disease is fine as it is

The disease is not fine. The best semi-CC in this tank-era on a 8 sec recast-timer INSTA and you call it fine?

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by driwen
uhm about duration, if the mezz sticks you stand still, if the disease sticks you are snared for 15%. So it wouldnt have the same kind of effect then?

Not really. The snare is not affected by determination from disease and has no immunity timer.

Also smite-cleric insta mezz is on a way longer timer. You cant compare these two.

and puppetmistress pbaoemezz of cleric is in smite right? So why cant pbaoe disease be in cave?

Well.. I said that because insta-mezz on cleric is on gimpy line.

 

[Spix]

Originally posted by Deskiziado
Healers: remove ae stun
Skald: give instruments and make insta mezz castable
Bonedancers: Drainlife short range of drainflife to 500 (like albion blue con pet class) and highly increasing it pow cost
Hunters: remove insta pet
Spiritmaster (and chanter): remove pet of baseline and move to spec without PBAOE
Runemasters: move debuffs to supression
Shaman: change end buff to for end chant. This class have lots of mage abilities, wear it with cloth such hibs and alb mages or remove bolts, dd and dots
Thane: give three new spec lines: slash, crush and thrust and lower damage is no spec it, and move instant DD and and auto aid melle dmg to spec line in stormmcalling.
Warrior: give three new spec lines: slash, crush and thrust and lower damage is no spec it
Savages: remove pure tank realm abilities

Its fun that people speak without knowing shit or at least think twice.

Healers, no comment on that.

Skald: Give instruments, castable mezz and insta stun, stealth with all stealth abilitys, ablative chant, Evade2 and charm yellowcon pet (minstrel is only class with chain and evade2) and rename to minstrel.

Bonedancers, sure nerf lifetap, but then give bd a powerdrain nuke like necro. And increase necros power drain on lt also.

Hunters, remove insta pet and give shieldspec and slower bows with better range. since speccing beastcraft only is viable to get the pet atm.

Spiritmaster: same goes for cabalist that have both damage shield and AE dot in same line and pet buffs in baseline etc.

Runemaster: doesnt matter what line they are in, being a dark/supp wouldnt be that bad.

Shamans: What about minstrel, stealth class with chain? (chain= the best armour mids can get) that sounds like a leather class to me.
And Cleric have DD same do Thanes, thats what a hybrid is.

Thane: Got no dd or damage add in any baseline, everything in stormcalling is spec already.
And the damagetype spec lines are already there in form of Hammer, Sword, Axe, only thing is we got no thrust weapons please give. Mids cant use axe(slash) if we spec hammer(crush) for example.

Warrior, see thane about weapon spec...

Savages: they got no mana pool so = pure tank with some unique things.



Nerf Dragonfang

Oh and dont forget to make all realms the same, that would make the game realy fun...

 

[Wuren]

Armsman/Warrior : Warrior damage table is lower then hero as is armsman.. hero also get the Hunt of the wild which is a hero only spell that is on a 30 minute timer.. which increases there health for a limited amount of time.. i would suggest giving warriors and armsmen something unique, like call of the hunt.

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