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Shit - I'm agreeing with a middie 
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First of all, good article.
What really annoys me is the people whining about a zerg (the "elitist" guilds that is) when they want to do their 1fg vs 1fg race.
Cant you understand that this is a MMORPG and everyone wants their fare share of the fun?
That not everyone can spend time and effort being in guild groups all days long to get their RP? and not everyone goes RvR only for the matter to gain RPs. This is after all a mmorpg so I dont find your zerg-whine justified.
Now, I dont mind this much because I've got used to the idea about running in Emain solo because I never get groups, but id rather try have some fun anyway then standing in MPK for 30min yelling after group or just give up on the game, because afterall I enjoy it
But as the article says, I do also believe that it has an negative effect on the gameplay.
"twinking their latest FotM rerolls to fifty so they can get back to inflating their virtual ego with a hefty realm point total"
Also very true, while you reject me in groups day after day because I dont have the possibility to that RA or this RA and I dont have this ability or that ability which makes me "useless" in your group because I cannot do anything to farm RPs for you in your opinion, think again.
out. /P
What really annoys me is the people whining about a zerg (the "elitist" guilds that is) when they want to do their 1fg vs 1fg race.
Cant you understand that this is a MMORPG and everyone wants their fare share of the fun?
That not everyone can spend time and effort being in guild groups all days long to get their RP? and not everyone goes RvR only for the matter to gain RPs. This is after all a mmorpg so I dont find your zerg-whine justified.
Now, I dont mind this much because I've got used to the idea about running in Emain solo because I never get groups, but id rather try have some fun anyway then standing in MPK for 30min yelling after group or just give up on the game, because afterall I enjoy it
But as the article says, I do also believe that it has an negative effect on the gameplay.
"twinking their latest FotM rerolls to fifty so they can get back to inflating their virtual ego with a hefty realm point total"
Also very true, while you reject me in groups day after day because I dont have the possibility to that RA or this RA and I dont have this ability or that ability which makes me "useless" in your group because I cannot do anything to farm RPs for you in your opinion, think again.
out. /P
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Pfft, weak guilds, real elitist guilds only have one member!
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first thing of all that I think all of you have missed... these "elitist" guilds that run around in emain doesn't do it to ruin the game for you, they do it because they think it's fun...
I myself know the diffrence between beeing in a "normal" group or what you want to call it... where no one is from the same guild and barely have spoken to eachother before and beeing in a guild group...
first of all there is no leader in the group... there allways tend to be one or two people in them refusing to listen to someone else... so there will most likely be next to an anachy in the group where everyone is running around like headless hens...
and I guess all of you have been in the situation that the enemy realm camps the mg... you stand on the other side with equal numbers to theirs... someone shouts "charge" 50% charges the other part stand and look while the others are slain...
most of the people in "elitist" guilds are fed up with this and want to have some structure in their RvR experiences... if you're in an "elitist" guild, and don't do as the group leader instructs you to you will be asked to leave... not because they like booting out people that doesn't fit them or isn't good enough at playing, but because they want the whole group to engage at once and to do their best... they want to trust the people they are playing with... if you as a tank run straigt into pbaoe just to kill the little luri casting it you want to be sure they you will get those heals to survive...
the part were they don't want to go to keep raids and so, I can only say that they probebly think it's boring... not all of us enjoy Relic raiding... simply because the "people don't listen" or "people can't accept a leader" issue is in the picture again... how many times have you been on a relic raid where 50+ people have attended and there haven't been more or less chaos...
the "they don't want to zerg" part I can only say... if you run in 1fg only... then YOU are 1/8 of a group.... when you run in a zerg of 45 people you become 1/45 of a group... meaning the importance of yourself is decreased... no one will notice in the end of the battle if someone was afk or got LD or anything like that... when you run in a zerg, your importance disappear...
if you're the pac healer of a mid group in Emain, you're running 1fg, you go afk, the group engages the enemy... then your group will prolly lose because you're afk... the group loses the battle because they don't have your "experience of battle" ready... meaing that every part of the group matters.... in zerging it don't, not as much as running in 1fg at least...
why can't they run in zerg once then? probebly because they rather go watch TV then zerging... and run around trying to avoid the zerg until it breaks up trying to get some people left behind meanwhile, because they know that zerging against a zerg won't split up the zerg... and that's what they want...
what people complaining about other players need is more understanding for people not thinking the same way you do... in Korea they make soup out of puppies... I would never make a soup of puppies but they might think we're crazy over here when we eat/do something else...
people are diffrent and everyone isn't like you...
please note that I don't want to get me on some side here and defend "elitist" guilds... just wanted to point out that this is how they think... well, most of them... they have never flamed you for defending relics, taking back keeps, or doing dragon raids or other things you find fun... please don't flame them for doing what they think is fun...
anyhow... times will change.... one year ago RvR in Emain was Mids camping amg... almost everytime I was there it was the same... Albs comming, mids rush and kill them, mids get back to amg... look how it is now... you can't really camp amg for long before you get Eclipse in your back (if you're a mid)...
one year from now, who knows how it will be... my guess is that the "elitist" guilds will be gone... and people will do something else in RvR... there will allways be people not agreeing with what other people do... but 99% of all people do what they do because they think it's fun, not to destroy the game for you
I myself know the diffrence between beeing in a "normal" group or what you want to call it... where no one is from the same guild and barely have spoken to eachother before and beeing in a guild group...
first of all there is no leader in the group... there allways tend to be one or two people in them refusing to listen to someone else... so there will most likely be next to an anachy in the group where everyone is running around like headless hens...
and I guess all of you have been in the situation that the enemy realm camps the mg... you stand on the other side with equal numbers to theirs... someone shouts "charge" 50% charges the other part stand and look while the others are slain...
most of the people in "elitist" guilds are fed up with this and want to have some structure in their RvR experiences... if you're in an "elitist" guild, and don't do as the group leader instructs you to you will be asked to leave... not because they like booting out people that doesn't fit them or isn't good enough at playing, but because they want the whole group to engage at once and to do their best... they want to trust the people they are playing with... if you as a tank run straigt into pbaoe just to kill the little luri casting it you want to be sure they you will get those heals to survive...
the part were they don't want to go to keep raids and so, I can only say that they probebly think it's boring... not all of us enjoy Relic raiding... simply because the "people don't listen" or "people can't accept a leader" issue is in the picture again... how many times have you been on a relic raid where 50+ people have attended and there haven't been more or less chaos...
the "they don't want to zerg" part I can only say... if you run in 1fg only... then YOU are 1/8 of a group.... when you run in a zerg of 45 people you become 1/45 of a group... meaning the importance of yourself is decreased... no one will notice in the end of the battle if someone was afk or got LD or anything like that... when you run in a zerg, your importance disappear...
if you're the pac healer of a mid group in Emain, you're running 1fg, you go afk, the group engages the enemy... then your group will prolly lose because you're afk... the group loses the battle because they don't have your "experience of battle" ready... meaing that every part of the group matters.... in zerging it don't, not as much as running in 1fg at least...
why can't they run in zerg once then? probebly because they rather go watch TV then zerging... and run around trying to avoid the zerg until it breaks up trying to get some people left behind meanwhile, because they know that zerging against a zerg won't split up the zerg... and that's what they want...
what people complaining about other players need is more understanding for people not thinking the same way you do... in Korea they make soup out of puppies... I would never make a soup of puppies but they might think we're crazy over here when we eat/do something else...
people are diffrent and everyone isn't like you...
please note that I don't want to get me on some side here and defend "elitist" guilds... just wanted to point out that this is how they think... well, most of them... they have never flamed you for defending relics, taking back keeps, or doing dragon raids or other things you find fun... please don't flame them for doing what they think is fun...
anyhow... times will change.... one year ago RvR in Emain was Mids camping amg... almost everytime I was there it was the same... Albs comming, mids rush and kill them, mids get back to amg... look how it is now... you can't really camp amg for long before you get Eclipse in your back (if you're a mid)...
one year from now, who knows how it will be... my guess is that the "elitist" guilds will be gone... and people will do something else in RvR... there will allways be people not agreeing with what other people do... but 99% of all people do what they do because they think it's fun, not to destroy the game for you
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our guild aint elitist nor pure rvr based, just a real nice bunch of friendly people having fun!!
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The door swings both ways in that matter you know. Many people not in RvR guilds (I hate calling them elitist, because even though some may be not all are.) are quitting because they can't RvR as the game is meant to. Everywhere they turn there are RvR guilds running in fg's which they can't hope to beat more than perhaps 1 time out of 100 as a random group. Do you think those players are having fun at all? On one hand you would have fg's of RvR guilds running around and in the other you have zergs. Is there no inbetween? When RvR guilds rule as much as they do on Prydwen it waters out the people that don't have the possibility for it. Well, to return to what I said in the beginning: The door swings both ways, try to see our side too. Personally I've all but cancelled my account just because of this matter, I love RvR, but with RvR guilds running around it just isn't fun in a random group, and finding a good RvR group happens once every blue moon at best.
I've got another scenario for you. Prydwen will loose most of the players that aren't (and don't want to join/aren't allowed in RvR guilds) a part of RvR guilds. The zergs will disappear and the RvR guilds will be as happy as they can be, for a while. Then after some more time the RvR guilds become tired of meeting the same enemies over and over again and almost wish (god forbid!!) that they could see a zerg for once, or be part of a relic raid. After that it's just a question of time before Prydwen will be officially dead.
Not much less likely than what you suggested.
Also, I must disagree with your last sentence in that post. Many RvR guilds frown upon people zerging, and often say rude things to people in a zerg (or just anything more than a fg). Now, if we allow them to run around in their fg's what is there that says that we others can't zerg if we want to? After all we "normal" people can't hold ourselves in 1fg vs 1fg of a RvR guild, so why shouldn't we try to outnumber them instead when we meet them? THIS is what I REALLY have a problem with, RvR guilds trying to police the RvR situation on the server. Who died and left them in charge? I would love it if the people in the RvR guilds would spare us lowly mortals their remarks.
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Well random rvr isnt any fun at all imho, so often some1 says stuff like "HEAL FFS" or similar, makes me log right away.
I think all have more fun when they are winning or its a close battle and that can just happend more often if you have a fixed grp/rvr guild.
I think all have more fun when they are winning or its a close battle and that can just happend more often if you have a fixed grp/rvr guild.
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doors swing both way... I know that... I've never complained about people that wants to zerg, unless I was really mad ;p
you say "RvR as the game is meant to"... how is it meant to be? and who decided that?
there is no rules for how RvR should be... you know it, I know it...
it's so easy to blame "elitist" guilds or "RvR" guilds... they enjoy playing the game like they do and they don't do it like the people you're speaking of that left the game did... so either would they quit playing because they thought RvR is bad... or the people you're speaking of would quit because they thought RvR was bad... the "RvR" guilds did something about the situation instead of quiting, the people you speak of didn't...
the doors swing both ways... and I can understand how it is when you're not playing in a "RvR" guild group... trust me, I know... I've played in those too... but the solution to the problem isn't to blame everything on the "RvR" guilds and think everything will be fine... I can't tell you what the solution to bring back the fun in RvR to you is... but I can say that it isn't to blame the "RvR" guilds...
the point I was trying to make was that times change... the situation won't be the same in a year as it is now... it's possible that Klan Nidstang(choised KN as example becasue it's your guild and I guess you don't concider it as a "RvR" or "Elitist" guild) will be the leading RP guild in one year... not because they start farming RPs like maniacs in Emain... but because times changes...
some people whine some people don't... but the "RvR" guilds get pointed out by names when they do something... if there is 5fg albs running around in Emain you say albs are zerging...
I bet you woudn't be that happy on someone if he/she said that KN was a zerg guild and destroyed the game for his/her guild...
I can't count how many "Sotl r teh lame" topics I've seen in RvR Discussion over the past 1,5 year... there are not that many but a few topics pointing at NP too...
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First of all, what I mean in "is meant to" is to be enjoyed. I have full understanding of why RvR guilds don't want to zerg, and believe me I don't like zergs that much either. However as it is it is almost my only option if I'm supposed to have any fun at all. What I mean is that it seems that either the RvR guilds will have fun or the non-RvR guilds will have fun (and that's what you say too, so we both mean the same thing there.). But who decided that RvR guilds are the ones that gets to decide how RvR is meant to be played server wide? Let them run in their fg's all they want, but don't let them police how others should play the game. If all the others want to run in 10fgs why not let them? But no that's not right, then they have to bitch and complain and say that "zerging is teh lame!!!!!". Get my point? RvR guilds made something by starting to run in fg's and have fun in their way, but what can we others do? If we start running in 2fgs we will just be called lamers and glared at. Is that fair?
Reading your post it seems we are both trying to make the same points, for our sides in the argument. I go a bit further however and say that (some) RvR guilds (or people in them) seem to have set up rules for how RvR is to be played, and you yourself state that there are no such rules, and I can't agree more... By trying to police how RvR should be they are actively ruining our fun, and placing their enjoyment above ours.
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police the RvR? I've never seen anyone from these "RvR-guilds" trying to get other people to RvR as they should... tho I've seen a lot of topics, mainly about Sotl, about that they don't care about keeps in Alb frontier...
if they are trying to police the RvR of the server then in what way do they do so? as I've seen they only play the game their way and they think they're haveing fun... if they tell you "zerg is bad" and you tell them "RvR-guild is bad"... then aren't you policeing as much as they do? and I do belive everything started with the "Sotl r teh lame" whine, because they were the first real RvR guild on Prydwen imo... at least the first RvR guild as we define the word RvR guild today...
those people that joins the zergs have all rights to do so... and if you like to camp amg like in the good old days then you can do it too... but the thing is that times change, and you have to change with it to be able to be on top... what I'm trying to say is that you can't RvR with sucess on the same way we did one year ago... when you try it you'll prolly get killed by the RvR guilds...
RvR can be like a virus sometimes... when your body is infected the virus works... but after beeing infected a few times you're body will develope resistance against it, remembering how they killed it last time and in the end become imune to it...
You say that some RvR guilds are trying to make rules for how RvR should be played... these are wrong... as well as the person saying that RvR guilds are wrong... since he/she shouldn't make rules for the RvR guild... what we all have to try to respect is that not everyone think the same as you... and since the problem is almost the same on every server I think the problem is "you don't care about our keeps" whine...
When the RvR guilds evolved they were doomed to have opinions against them... simply because some people are conservatists... they like to keep things as they are and nothing should be changed... RvR guilds were new thinkers... they developed a new way of RvRing that hadn't been seen before... the "evolution" of the server RvR went to annother stage, some guilds managed to follow and be success full in RvR... some others didn't... many other guilds that keept the old way of doing things died out because of people leaving to joing newly created RvR guild... one of the Survivors I think must be NP... even tho they've changed server... I was a Mid/excal once, don't ask me why I changed but I remember Fatbelly (leader of NP for those that didn't knew it) organizing raids in Hib just to take keeps... very old school RvR... they developed with the server and are still top class RvR guild...
now... those guilds that didn't develope into RvR guilds... do they have less worth in RvR discussions? no, not at all... just that they play the game their way and the RvR guilds play it their way... they might not share the same opinions about how RvR should be done and there are people, like the one that wrote the Camelot Vault article, that don't accept people thinking diffrent and have an urge to try and do something about it... they exist on both sides... but saying that genarally RvR guilds want to decide how to RvR is unfair... it would be as fair as saying that everyone else tells RvR guilds how they should play...
the only reason I think people outside RvR guilds is complaining so much about RvR guilds is the fact that they can't do anything about it... don't missunderstand me now... I feel sorry for them, they don't have the resorces of the guild to put together a group or in other way get a competable group with RvR guilds... and RvR guilds don't really care about it...
question is here... should they care? I don't know really... I can't be that cold and say sue yourself for beeing in a non RvR guild... I just can't... but I can't figure out a reason why RvR guilds should help guilds/players that are complaining about them...
a lot can be discussed... and atm I'm very tierd and stupid people chatting to me on irc at the same time as I'm writeing... so I might have said same thing about 10 times in the same post ;p have a feeling I have but I can't be bothered to rewrite it...
In short:
Don't blame RvR guilds for playing the game diffrent...
if they are trying to police the RvR of the server then in what way do they do so? as I've seen they only play the game their way and they think they're haveing fun... if they tell you "zerg is bad" and you tell them "RvR-guild is bad"... then aren't you policeing as much as they do? and I do belive everything started with the "Sotl r teh lame" whine, because they were the first real RvR guild on Prydwen imo... at least the first RvR guild as we define the word RvR guild today...
those people that joins the zergs have all rights to do so... and if you like to camp amg like in the good old days then you can do it too... but the thing is that times change, and you have to change with it to be able to be on top... what I'm trying to say is that you can't RvR with sucess on the same way we did one year ago... when you try it you'll prolly get killed by the RvR guilds...
RvR can be like a virus sometimes... when your body is infected the virus works... but after beeing infected a few times you're body will develope resistance against it, remembering how they killed it last time and in the end become imune to it...
You say that some RvR guilds are trying to make rules for how RvR should be played... these are wrong... as well as the person saying that RvR guilds are wrong... since he/she shouldn't make rules for the RvR guild... what we all have to try to respect is that not everyone think the same as you... and since the problem is almost the same on every server I think the problem is "you don't care about our keeps" whine...
When the RvR guilds evolved they were doomed to have opinions against them... simply because some people are conservatists... they like to keep things as they are and nothing should be changed... RvR guilds were new thinkers... they developed a new way of RvRing that hadn't been seen before... the "evolution" of the server RvR went to annother stage, some guilds managed to follow and be success full in RvR... some others didn't... many other guilds that keept the old way of doing things died out because of people leaving to joing newly created RvR guild... one of the Survivors I think must be NP... even tho they've changed server... I was a Mid/excal once, don't ask me why I changed but I remember Fatbelly (leader of NP for those that didn't knew it) organizing raids in Hib just to take keeps... very old school RvR... they developed with the server and are still top class RvR guild...
now... those guilds that didn't develope into RvR guilds... do they have less worth in RvR discussions? no, not at all... just that they play the game their way and the RvR guilds play it their way... they might not share the same opinions about how RvR should be done and there are people, like the one that wrote the Camelot Vault article, that don't accept people thinking diffrent and have an urge to try and do something about it... they exist on both sides... but saying that genarally RvR guilds want to decide how to RvR is unfair... it would be as fair as saying that everyone else tells RvR guilds how they should play...
the only reason I think people outside RvR guilds is complaining so much about RvR guilds is the fact that they can't do anything about it... don't missunderstand me now... I feel sorry for them, they don't have the resorces of the guild to put together a group or in other way get a competable group with RvR guilds... and RvR guilds don't really care about it...
question is here... should they care? I don't know really... I can't be that cold and say sue yourself for beeing in a non RvR guild... I just can't... but I can't figure out a reason why RvR guilds should help guilds/players that are complaining about them...
a lot can be discussed... and atm I'm very tierd and stupid people chatting to me on irc at the same time as I'm writeing... so I might have said same thing about 10 times in the same post ;p have a feeling I have
but I can't be bothered to rewrite it...In short:
Don't blame RvR guilds for playing the game diffrent...
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Very Very good article.
Everybody tries to find a way to enjoy the game.
For me is wining or loosing a good fight.
Sure also have some fun killing a mob here and there but my goal is RvR .
I come if RR or Dragon has to go down but to go take keeps I find so boring I rather log. Just the /cg at some keep takes is enough to begin crying, same things u hear again and again and 50 % dont listen ect.
Mythic should make sure every class had something to offer in a group for the people that will play a class no matter what.
The RA system sux simple.
People whiine when other people ruin the game ( in there eyes) it goes both ways.
Some have sex 2 people some do it 10 so ?
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Everybody tries to find a way to enjoy the game.
For me is wining or loosing a good fight.
Sure also have some fun killing a mob here and there but my goal is RvR .
I come if RR or Dragon has to go down but to go take keeps I find so boring I rather log. Just the /cg at some keep takes is enough to begin crying, same things u hear again and again and 50 % dont listen ect.
Mythic should make sure every class had something to offer in a group for the people that will play a class no matter what.
The RA system sux simple.
People whiine when other people ruin the game ( in there eyes) it goes both ways.
Some have sex 2 people some do it 10 so ?
Zapsi
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I agree with U ImLestat
I agree with u Lestat
I agree with u Lestat
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Possible solution
I have more to say about this topic (elite rvrguilds vs casual players)
Both of what Aarweenie says and what ImLestat says has it good points, but what no one of you is saying is how to improve the rvr aspect of daoc in the future to satisfy both the powergamer (play like 8+ hours a day) and the casual gamer (who works/study or whatever and can only play like 2-3 hours a day), or how both of these categories can coexist to what imo should be to make everybody have more fun and to make the realm feel more united, who support and help each other and who have common goals and share common beliefs.
Talking about the evolution of rvr guilds and about the effect it has on those players/guilds who just can run solo or in put together rvr groups:
Of course it must feel nice to be in a rvr elite guild if that is what u want to do, but as it affect the casual players rvr experience it is sad and does not help most people who play daoc to have fun. It is like taking Olympic champions to compete vs normal people, the normal person is doomed to loose and also to feel bad about it.
My solution is to let elite rvr guilds play on special rvr areas vs other elite rvr guilds…like Olympic champions compete vs each other and let us casual rvr players play in special rvr areas vs each other. In this way everybody can have meaningful rvr battles, and meet enemies that they have a reasonable chans to beat.
Also if any wanna mail me any ideas u might have..my email is: henrik.svenssson3@telia.com
I have more to say about this topic (elite rvrguilds vs casual players)
Both of what Aarweenie says and what ImLestat says has it good points, but what no one of you is saying is how to improve the rvr aspect of daoc in the future to satisfy both the powergamer (play like 8+ hours a day) and the casual gamer (who works/study or whatever and can only play like 2-3 hours a day), or how both of these categories can coexist to what imo should be to make everybody have more fun and to make the realm feel more united, who support and help each other and who have common goals and share common beliefs.
Talking about the evolution of rvr guilds and about the effect it has on those players/guilds who just can run solo or in put together rvr groups:
Of course it must feel nice to be in a rvr elite guild if that is what u want to do, but as it affect the casual players rvr experience it is sad and does not help most people who play daoc to have fun. It is like taking Olympic champions to compete vs normal people, the normal person is doomed to loose and also to feel bad about it.
My solution is to let elite rvr guilds play on special rvr areas vs other elite rvr guilds…like Olympic champions compete vs each other and let us casual rvr players play in special rvr areas vs each other. In this way everybody can have meaningful rvr battles, and meet enemies that they have a reasonable chans to beat.
Also if any wanna mail me any ideas u might have..my email is: henrik.svenssson3@telia.com
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Sounds interesting. oO
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Dont look at me Derric 
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Nicely written article. Alb/Pryd certainly has a good amount of RvR-elitist guilds with more in the making.
It is possible to strike a balance though. Guardians of Power certainly don't make perfect rvr groups; but we balance them, work well, have fun, and do PvE
It is possible to strike a balance though. Guardians of Power certainly don't make perfect rvr groups; but we balance them, work well, have fun, and do PvE
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Don't feel like being PC.
This article was written by just another casual player who probably was rejected by an rvr guild and knows his way with words.
People allways look up to sports heroes and politicians, yet never call lance armstrong a jersey whore or Venus williams an elitist numbskull that wants her name plastered across the various newspapers.
> While this may be fun and enjoyable for the members of such
> guilds, where does that leave the casual player who might not
> have eight hours a day to devote solely to racking up realm
> points?
So people who dedicate most if not all their spare time to the game need to bend for the whims of casual players? If a casual player isnt happy with pickup, that is sitting at the pk /y xxxx LFG do as others so and make appointments before, team up with some friends on a set time so you don't have to be in a random group.
Oh dear, they don't clean df for the lowbies. So sodding what, DF is an rvr zone where you can exp and kill some epic monsters, if you don't want to get killed, don't go there. The same goes for frontier zones.
Keep X is lost, and you can't really say banging a door for x minutes is exhilarating (sp?). As if rvr guilds never help out on keeps and as if every other living soul allways helps taking a keep back.
I can't see the point in zerging anyhow, where's the fun in running over people that run 1fg with 3-4-5-6-... times their number?
I'd say you get shit all rp's for zerging, but as they're all casual players they don't care about rp.
The fun of killing maybe, well imo there's hardly any fun in running with a zerg, lagging through a zone to find everyone's been killed by the first part of the zerg, or maybe get one spell or hit in.
anyway, ill conclude with this
IF YOU WANNA ZERG, GO EXCAL, AVALON, LOGRES OR ONE OF THE GERMAN ZERG SERVERS.
This article was written by just another casual player who probably was rejected by an rvr guild and knows his way with words.
People allways look up to sports heroes and politicians, yet never call lance armstrong a jersey whore or Venus williams an elitist numbskull that wants her name plastered across the various newspapers.
> While this may be fun and enjoyable for the members of such
> guilds, where does that leave the casual player who might not
> have eight hours a day to devote solely to racking up realm
> points?
So people who dedicate most if not all their spare time to the game need to bend for the whims of casual players? If a casual player isnt happy with pickup, that is sitting at the pk /y xxxx LFG do as others so and make appointments before, team up with some friends on a set time so you don't have to be in a random group.
Oh dear, they don't clean df for the lowbies. So sodding what, DF is an rvr zone where you can exp and kill some epic monsters, if you don't want to get killed, don't go there. The same goes for frontier zones.
Keep X is lost, and you can't really say banging a door for x minutes is exhilarating (sp?). As if rvr guilds never help out on keeps and as if every other living soul allways helps taking a keep back.
I can't see the point in zerging anyhow, where's the fun in running over people that run 1fg with 3-4-5-6-... times their number?
I'd say you get shit all rp's for zerging, but as they're all casual players they don't care about rp.
The fun of killing maybe, well imo there's hardly any fun in running with a zerg, lagging through a zone to find everyone's been killed by the first part of the zerg, or maybe get one spell or hit in.
anyway, ill conclude with this
IF YOU WANNA ZERG, GO EXCAL, AVALON, LOGRES OR ONE OF THE GERMAN ZERG SERVERS.
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Is that the best you can stretch your immagination to ?
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vestax
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wtfpwned
Klav 1 - 0 Whiners
Klav 1 - 0 Whiners
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Damon_D
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LOL and then LOL again I'm not gonna point fingers, but thats bullshit and you know it...
Ahhh wtf nm, had not seen Klav's post..seem's one from the "RvR police" has found us..Klav if you want to run in fg's then piss of to camlann..just as valid a point as your's... I dont surport any of em..but plz get down from your high horse..it makes your ass look fat imho
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Wheres the fun in running over a solo with 1fg. You want to run 1fg, some of us want to run solo every now and again.
To a solo your 1fg is a zerg.
Edit unless you are a bd of course
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Berz Blackburn
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dots dots dots dots ..... dots dots dots dots :O
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zapzap
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Why did Mythic make a group to be 8 ?
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ImLestat
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First off, me and Aarweenie's discussion has sidetracked a small bit from the article, which mainly concerns "elitist" guilds. Just mentioning it so that you know the difference.
I have nothing against RvR guilds, let them run in their full fg's all they want, what I have something against is the type of people that are indeed trying to set their rules upon the RvR situation on the server. I am NOT saying that "RvR guild is bad" as you say. Let them do their thing I say, however they apparently aren't happy with what others are doing. You say that you haven't seen anyone from RvR guilds trying to police the RvR situation so let me just quote one from this very thread (and he isn't the only one, just an example.):
I have nothing against RvR guilds, let them run in their full fg's all they want, what I have something against is the type of people that are indeed trying to set their rules upon the RvR situation on the server. I am NOT saying that "RvR guild is bad" as you say. Let them do their thing I say, however they apparently aren't happy with what others are doing. You say that you haven't seen anyone from RvR guilds trying to police the RvR situation so let me just quote one from this very thread (and he isn't the only one, just an example.):
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Which is so wrong, it's the whining rolepl.. err casual players that proclaim other guilds to be "l33t".
Anyway, /dismiss yet another random, whining and disgruntled/refused person who is too lazy to be bothered to organise or plan anything himself. :sleeping:
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errik
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cos trolls only have four digits on each hand?
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ghoul
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k cool thread m8s
k cool thread m8s
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ghoul
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This article is obviously the truth, so why say more ?