Wedding Trashers!

[Huntingtons]

its a game, play it like that imo - for me it would be like gamblor quitted (cept that he died of a heart condition that i might have a slight chance of having, same symptoms...) not that i would do anything like it but i can see the funny part of what the us chaps did.

 

[AngelHeal]

People destroying a wedding session in an RvR zone i can partly understand, it's a purely ingame thing.
People destroying a memorial for a real life actual person who died, should sat naked on a 1 inch in diameter pole with heavy rocks around their ankles so they would slowly slide down on it while ants ate their face. You might not have known the person but show damn respect anyway.

If u wanne show respect, and really show respect, don't bugger his family with stuff that most likely the family disliked but go to them irl and show some respect there.

(i havent and never will disturb such things, but if u seriously take this much effort into it.. why don't u go with ur guild irl to the family )

 

[Straef]

There's a bit to say for both sides, I suppose. I wouldn't just crash in on a funeral, even a digital one, but holding it in the exact center of all the action just isn't the best thing to do. It might seem like the right thing to do to some, but for people that didn't have or want anything to do with it, you're just stopping them from having some proper rvr. I mean, you can't go to the busiest part of the frontier and just expect whoever isn't interested to switch zone or join in, that'd be selfish.
I didn't know the guy that passed away, and even if I did, I don't think I would've shown, as I don't really think a digital burial proper, mainly because a lot of the people showing up might only have known him from one or two chats, or not at all, and I don't think I'd fancy such people at my own funeral, tho I wouldn't be there to care, would I?

 

[ONdskaN]

You have a point Jjuraa, but don't forget many people knew this person and it was kind of appropriate. If you don't want to come don't come, and you have a fair point. However having the memorial in the middle of agramon is more of a sign of peace imo, as its in the middle of the frontiers. Anyway, the proper one was held on surs t3

loool sign of peace, m8 wake up this is a computer game some ppls only play this game cause they want to kill other ppls char, seriously i think u taking this game a bit too seriously

lol game funerals and weddings hahahah, can i have an ingame circumcision in the middle of agramon?

 

[Septina]

loool sign of peace, m8 wake up this is a computer game some ppls only play this game cause they want to kill other ppls char, seriously i think u taking this game a bit too seriously

lol game funerals and weddings hahahah, can i have an ingame circumcision in the middle of agramon?

Had a big long speech thought out here but finally realised it'd be a waste to lecture you since you seem to be too thick and/or immature to actually understand a word i'd say.

 

[Maeloch]

Aggramon not the best place for it, and it's not everyone's taste or interest if they didn't know the guy. But seems to me if you can respect and ignore fg fights that don't concern you, it's not too hard to do the same for a funeral. It's empty most of the time anyhow.

tbh it's odd that you even have to justify it when many just see their fights been left alone as a divine right.

 

[Jjuraa]

Had a big long speech thought out here but finally realised it'd be a waste to lecture you since you seem to be too thick and/or immature to actually understand a word i'd say.

I actually think he had a point, albeit an inelegant one. Whats the difference between an ingame wedding/memorial/circumcision? Theyre all equally fake, equally trite, and tacky.




(imo)

 

[d34k]

I actually think he had a point, albeit an inelegant one. Whats the difference between an ingame wedding/memorial/circumcision? Theyre all equally fake, equally trite, and tacky.

Totally agreed.

 

[Blackjack]

If u wanne show respect, and really show respect, don't bugger his family with stuff that most likely the family disliked but go to them irl and show some respect there.

Actually the family was touched that so many people would show up to honor the one who passed away. Atleast with Gamblor's i know it's true.

 

[Sharkith]

I actually think he had a point, albeit an inelegant one. Whats the difference between an ingame wedding/memorial/circumcision? Theyre all equally fake, equally trite, and tacky.




(imo)

Of course but that equally does not deny the simple fact that his post said more about his ineptitude than it did about the subject at hand. Which given the subject and the situation is unfortunate.

Its very difficult crossing the boundary of the game with RL incidents and I have some sympathy for you Jjuraa on this. I also feel though that the boundary between game and RL is crossed on a daily basis. I don't think one can argue that they should be neatly seperated otherwise boards like this for example might be placed in some difficulty.

So if people want to use the medium of the game to express sympathy (and I know you agree with this) they can by all means do so. It is a pity in this instance that the symbolism of the event made some feel aggreived. However those people have now been able to register their protest at this and that is fine.

I personally wish they would do it with a little bit of sensitivity. It is not that much to ask is it?

Sharkith

 

[Remem]

You have a point Jjuraa, but don't forget many people knew this person and it was kind of appropriate. If you don't want to come don't come, and you have a fair point. However having the memorial in the middle of agramon is more of a sign of peace imo, as its in the middle of the frontiers. Anyway, the proper one was held on surs t3

who the hell want peace in a game in the pvp zones? wtf u gonna do then ;x
and as for ingame memorials/weddings etc , leave it for the real world , they are bound to be owned by others who wont respect them its jsut beggin for trble .I mean soon we ll have easters , xmas , newyear ingame and we ll lose like 50 pvp days for everyones wedding/funeral/ etc etc.. why even have it in a computer game just play the game and kill others as the book says , just learn to separate it irl ---- daoc

 

[Blackjack]

who the hell want peace in a game in the pvp zones? wtf u gonna do then ;x
and as for ingame memorials/weddings etc , leave it for the real world , they are bound to be owned by others who wont respect them its jsut beggin for trble .I mean soon we ll have easters , xmas , newyear ingame and we ll lose like 50 pvp days for everyones wedding/funeral/ etc etc.. why even have it in a computer game just play the game and kill others as the book says , just learn to separate it irl ---- daoc

a memorial and a wedding is not the same. And you aren't "loosing PvP days" people aren't preventing you from PvP'ing they just expect you not to attack the people trying to pay their respect to a person who died irl.
If it's a wedding.. knock yourself out for all i care. But a memorial is not the same.

 

[Andrilyn]

I'm glad something like this never happened at Surs T3.
What persons are like doing stuff like this has been said in this thread already, calling them what I think about them would prob get me banned.

Well you can call me whatever you want but I still keep at it that if you hold such an event in the middle of a RvR area without the help of a GM then you deserve to be wiped.
If I would post something like "Well we got iRvR in Hadrian's but I'd like to organise a wedding on xx date there and then I suspect nobody to attack eachother and all people to act on the best behavior" then you are either foolish, selfish or ignorant or a combination of those.

Also I don't think there was much thought for that ingame funeral else they would have known this would happen (most of the Bnet community ain't exactly mature) and imo if you want to organise such a thing like this you should atleast give it some good thought and not post on a public forum (which I am sure they done) but just tell people ingame of which you know they like to join and on their turn they will tell other people they know who would like to join etc, not only do you get only people who will behave then but you also will make sure there won't be any interferance(sp?) from anyone.
Same with the good old ML10 raids, post it on an open forum like FH and boom you got FG animists waiting for you when you port into ML10 and your entire raid is wiped.

I am not against any ingame funerals or weddings, quite the opposit as it's part of a MMORPG but think it out before you post it as it will show more respect to the person who died and you will not have to deal with people that are out there to wipe your funeral/wedding.

 

[Remem]

a memorial and a wedding is not the same. And you aren't "loosing PvP days" people aren't preventing you from PvP'ing they just expect you not to attack the people trying to pay their respect to a person who died irl.
If it's a wedding.. knock yourself out for all i care. But a memorial is not the same.

its not for be disrespectful i say this i just think that from this day there will be xxxxxxxx of similar happenings to what we saw in the video. And i do think u need to separate irl - daoc.

 

[Cruhar]

who the hell want peace in a game in the pvp zones? wtf u gonna do then ;xand as for ingame memorials/weddings etc , leave it for the real world , they are bound to be owned by others who wont respect them its jsut beggin for trble .I mean soon we ll have easters , xmas , newyear ingame and we ll lose like 50 pvp days for everyones wedding/funeral/ etc etc.. why even have it in a computer game just play the game and kill others as the book says , just learn to separate it irl ---- daoc

Not many other places all 3 realms can come together and show their respect.
Its not like they told everyone to stay away from RvR area in general, they just asked if you could avoid that specific small area...

The reason to hold ingame memorial is that not everyone who wished to show their respect had the oppetunity to come to the RL-funeral...
Besides this isnt something that happens once or twice aweek, and it only involves a small area.
So even tho you didnt know the person and WTF-pwn people that day you could go elsewhere for thos 2-4 hours it might take... if everyone who didnt care for the memorial did that, you would still find your battles.

I know its a myth but you do realize that MMORPG means Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE-PLAYING-GAME and not Shoot-em-up?

 

[d34k]

I know its a myth but you do realize that MMORPG means Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE-PLAYING-GAME and not Shoot-em-up?

By the terms of your argument is not reasonable that -- within the context of a *roleplaying* game set in a world such as WoW's or DAoC's -- that a violent faction/guild might exploit a peaceful gathering for a massacre?

 

[Blackjack]

its not for be disrespectful i say this i just think that from this day there will be xxxxxxxx of similar happenings to what we saw in the video. And i do think u need to separate irl - daoc.

There wont be xxxxxxxx similar happenings. People dont die every other day in the english DAoC comunity. The reason the last memorial was also held in an RvR zone was mainly because his guild on Hibernia really wanted to pay tribute to him aswell, and they couldn't just march into Albion.

 

[Pirkel]

So easy to see who are dickheads and who aren't by reading this thread ...

Playing a game for fun is great.

Playing a game specificly to ruin other people's fun is horrible.

They went above even that... they specificly went there to ruin a memorial for a RL death... I have no words for bastards like that.

Or bastards like Jjura who defend them. (Had to bloody unignore him to read his reply )

 

[Remem]

There wont be xxxxxxxx similar happenings. People dont die every other day in the english DAoC comunity. The reason the last memorial was also held in an RvR zone was mainly because his guild on Hibernia really wanted to pay tribute to him aswell, and they couldn't just march into Albion.

aye in middle of emain bowl OF at amg good spot

anyhow i wont post more regarding this got better stuff to

u got ur opinion i got mine leave it at that

 

[illu]

Some people really need to grow up and show a little respect.

If someone has died and an in-game thing is going on - you let people get on with it. What if it was your friend/relative?

So many stupid arseholes hide behind their keyboards not giving a shit about anyone else. Thankfully the arseholes are in the minority.

Oli - Illu

 

[Tuthmes]

I agree Illusb, but i'm not so sure about the last part

 

[ONdskaN]

i mean memorials and weddings are irl stuffs....and the question still remains why arrange a memorial in the middle of the most active rvr zone....ppls should know by know its not working out... sure there are ppls who knew the guy and want to pay tribute and some who dont give a shit and want to rvr

 

[Dorimor1]

As Cruhar said. Three realms coming together peacefully to pay respec to someone who has passed away.

And ONskaN, I don't think the official one happened in the middle of agramon

 

[occy]

Wow , somebody who feels like me towards this kinda thing. when somebody tells me "bla bla died" ... for example the queen mother... or some random guy in the same town as me I really dont feel anything towards it. This person has got nothing to do with me, thousands of people die every day and im supposed to show great sorrow because this one person has been brought to my attention? It sounds abit harsh , but id rather be truthful about my feelings towards it , than jump on the bandwagon and spout crap about being "so sorry" when I dont mean it.

Thank god you are a minority tho.

 

[Raven]

it saddens me that some of the shit heads in this thread are part of the same gaming community as me. if someone dies that plays this game its nice that the community can come together and show respect together, its got little to do with whether you knew the guy in question, but whether you respect the community that you are part of. you dont agree with it then fine, no reason to fuck it up for those that do.

 

[Equador]

Seems like a decent video to me.

Now there's a surprise.

I agree Illusb, but i'm not so sure about the last part

It's a minority, however they make the most noise.

 

[noblok]

just learn to separate it irl ---- daoc

It's the people who ruin the memorials who can't seperate in-game from real life.

These memorials are real memorials with real people paying a tribute to someone who really died. Going there and killing the participants is bringing the in-game spirit (red tag=enemy=kill) into it.

Sure, holding it in the middle of Agramon is silly and asking for trouble. You don't hold a funeral in the middle of an amusement park and expect everyone to mourn with you either. If it's held somewhere remote, it's just plain rude to go there and ruin it though.

 

[Jjuraa]

Or bastards like Jjura who defend them. (Had to bloody unignore him to read his reply )

oh really? why then are my views the views of a "bastard" and yours are the views of an angel sent to earth? do explain. you cant just say "xxx is a bastard" and expect to get away with it. pm me your thoughts if youre that nervous about voicing them but dont do the forum equivilent of a hit and run

Now there's a surprise.

ditto you.

 

[ebenezer]

Seems like a decent video to me. Only an idiot would hold something like this in a PVP zone.

Case in point, a week or so ago there was a memorial for someone here on Cluster, for some unfathomable reason, the person who organised it decided to put the memoral service smack bang in the middle of Agramon...

I didnt know the person in question, never interacted with him, and maybe im alone here, but when someone dies that i didnt know, or had absolutely no connection with, i simply dont care.

I dont mean that in a cruel way, just that i dont feel any regret or sorrow past the "oh, that sucks" i offered up when i heard on vent. I'm sure if id known the guy and been friends with him that i would have. but thats life, you cant meet everyone.

Now just because i didnt care, didnt mean i thought noone else should care either, and if they had held a memorial or done whatever out of the way somewhere, either in the mainlands of hib, or if you have to do it in the frontiers, do it in a corner, away from the main action.

But the person who organised it decided that the middle of agramon was where it was going to be. and that made me kind of angry. firstly because he was basically forcing this on me. The rvr action was (for once) all in agramon that night, and it was great fun, but when this memorial came along, it bought it to a standstill. and i feel no shame in admitting that my personal feelings were that we should just bomb the memorial and get it out the way. disrespecting his memory? no. i dont have any memories of this guy so ive got nothing to disrespect. it would simply have been protest.

funerals tend so be a private affair (obviously not state funerals etc) and i disagree with them being forced on other people. forcing grief on other people is just a selfish way of trying to deal with your own sorrow.

that said, even if i disagreed strongly with a funeral in real life (unsure how this would come about, but nothing can ever be ruled out), i would never even consider ruining it in any way.

you can say its because i just feel "safe behind me keyboard" if you want, but remember: this is a game. not everyone cares as much as you do. personally i play this game to enjoy myself, and i dont want other peoples real life problems forced on me.

I just wanna comment to the" i didnt know the person that died part."
First of all i wanna say that sure...people die everyday. And most of them you dont obviously know. But as a human being you tend to go through different things in life(especially if you are a little older) that makes you feel more and more with other human beings, some have it allready at an early age..and some are from how you were raised by parents and what values you got from them. You develop a thing called empathy, that makes you put urself into another humans feelings and thoughts for a sec and makes you feel what they are going through and understand it a bit. Some have less of it..some have more. Now is also a good time to mention respect as so many of the people in these boards adress. Some of the people that bore us to death with ur in game respect blabber, are probably saying that you wouldnt mind anyone crashing this ungame funural etc. Now that makes me wonder how much you know about the world or what the meaning of some words really are. I was brought upwith some values saying that the worst thing and the most disrespectfull thing one could do was to disturb someone that mourns or crash someones funural..or jump at graves at graveyards etc. Now that is to show no respect...not the silly nonsence you talk about on these boards daily.
And have to agree with some posts here. It makes me ashamed to play with some of you even in the same game. Im trying to think some of you are just kids that dont know better. That makes me less angry.
over and out...

 

[d34k]

These memorials are real memorials with real people paying a tribute to someone who really died.

And there's the fallacy in all of these presumptions: it was, in point of fact, a virtual memorial in a virtual world with virtual characters. In these circumstances, anything not against the rules of the game is permissible.

The mourners had a right to create the event and that guild had a right to absolutely massacre everyone in attendance. Both sides, by logging in and accepting the Terms and Conditions of the game, were simply "players". You're on shaky ground if you're trying to apply real life human morality (which is flawed and utterly subjective anyway) to a violent fantasy world filled with trolls and magic and endless killing.

This whole thread is nonsense and QQ. A memorial in game was profoundly inappropriate and did not consider the diversity of the game's player base. A thread in a forum would have been far more appropriate, sensible, and a lot less tacky.