Warriors are crap, discuss

[mid_Efour]

we cant move fast
we hit as hard as anyone else
we have no self buffs
our defence skills in rvr are practicaly shite cos of grp anti bonus

 

[Danya]

1. that's common.
2. you'll get a damage boost in an upcoming patch.
3. most classes don't, certainly none of the pure tanks.
4. that should be fixed in 1.54.

There you go.

 

[mid_Efour]

ur first on my "kill a mincer list"

 

[ulukin]

having not played a warrior dont suppose im well informed on them but id have to say:

1. Get a group
2. Get a group
3. Get a group
4. If your in a group and fighting a similar size group I guess you wont have more than 1 or 2 ppl on you at anyime.

addition to point 4 if your fighting more than 1 one tank you would expect your defensive skills to be hampered besides which if you were fighting more than 1 enemy anyone with half a brain would let the person being attacked by you take the hits and move to attack you from behind since you get 0% chance to block or parry.

the reasons you stated for warriors being crap are comparable to say a shadowblade saying there crap due to not having shield spec or parry or a runemaster saying there crap because they cant wear chain and have low HP.

Each and every class has strengths and weaknesses if your ungrouped those strengths will seem less and your weaknesses seem magnified.

 

[hrorvaig]

Well, having played a warrior in RvR to some extent now i atleast think i have got a good idea what we can and can not do.

I would say that warriors are a great class to play in RvR, you cant take on everyone and expect to win, but there are alot of classes you can fight and do expect to win.

In groups warriors are quite good, with guard on your healers and slamming incoming enemies you can protect your supportclasses quite good, or just take out that 2-hander and go for the other groups casters/supportclasses. Only times i can feel im not doing as much as everyone else is at keepdefences, and sometimes while camping milegates, due to the lack of range we have (even though i almost got my first throwing hammer kill on a keepdefence the other day )

Soloing are also a possible alternative for a warrior, just move out from the emainzergs and go to quiter places (gorge and sauvage for example). Here everything is about picking your fights, and planning them. If i for example meet a yellow enchanter i dont stand much of a chance if he spots me early... What i have to do is to use the terrain for my advantage, and maybe most importantly, move on after a succesfull kill. And also to know your weaknesses and what class the opponent is, and preferably which weapon they use before attacking, as you dont want any surprises.

Also having quite high hitpoints helps alot (1709 unbuffed atm) and raising your resistances as soon as possible is kinda a must for warriors...

And what can i say, the future for warriors are going to be brighter, reduced cost for FA2/IP and patch after that we will begin to hit even harder.

Hmmm, quite long this... Well i guessed all i really wanted to say is that even though i feel there are alot of classes that are far more powered then us, im kinda feed up with the idea of the warriorclass as crap -If you want to play a class thats not Uber and do the best you can out of that class -play a warrior

 

[old.mattshanes]

Warriors are good,beserkers better but mids don't seem to use them much sadly.

 

[old.Emma]

Just so you know the group block/parry is still present in the game.. that includes upto 1.57 which america is still using.. it has been tested and proved that the bug exists in the game.. it is not based on the number of people actually hitting it is the number of people in the group.. ie 2 people in a group np block/parry works to a certain extent.. 8 people in a group.. kiss those 1800 spec points good bye.

i have noticed it myself... not blocking once or even parry`n once in emain yet in odin`s where the real rvr is imho i block/parry shit loads.. hell i bumped into some pala on my own he used 2 intas before hitting the deck.. why because i parried and blocked like crazy lol.. even those duel`s this morning.. people were screaming nurf winky cos i blocked/parried loads on them.. some blue con friar was trying to hit.. to make things easier on him i used my mp bronze hammer and still whooped his but because of my defensive skills.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Danyan
1. that's common.
2. you'll get a damage boost in an upcoming patch.
3. most classes don't, certainly none of the pure tanks.
4. that should be fixed in 1.54.

There you go.

2. dmg boast is only a poxy 4% lol
3. hero pure tank + moose form = magic ability
4. nope still not fixed. fingers crossed for 1.58 ie 2004 for us

 

[old.mattshanes]

In my view a warrior with a 44/44/44 template is probably toughest opponent 1vs1 i could face,very good defence with not bad offence with this template,i don't see why people complain they seem good to me.

 

[Milkshake]

I don't think Warriors are TOTALLY gimped in RvR.
My problem is speed. Bezerkers get charge in a later patch, which sounds exactly what us gimps need too.

Once I'm in melee, I'm fine. It's getting there that's the problem, especially since I'm a tall purple-dyed troll

Nerf Albion Casters!

 

[mid_Efour]

Damn u matt shanes u nuking me for 450+ ever what 2 seconds go away, stop it u know u r the reason that i try to cap my spirit resist, be gone, and play ur silly merc more make me safer alot...

Maybe i was rash but i think its cos i am teh gimpiest warrior on the server, i have a norse dex and a casters hps with the str or a kobald they say u cant gimp ur starting stats by much but i seem to have done a great job. and im a troll, ha ha ha ha ultimate killing machine hmm yes sure thnx mythic/goa.

 

[planky]

Warriors are really good in RvR, if you know how too play them.
I have solo won against all prue tanks and other tanks, but that aint always.And i think that was we were made for, too kill other figher calsses. But then we have the casters i cant say i remeber anything were i have soloed a caster when i havent seen him first.

Those things i think suck with warrior are the resistance and the dam. We got nothing else when our weapons (ok, throwings but who use em?) and cant run fast or use magic. Then you think, ok maybe we cant do stuff like that, but we should get higher resistens then other calsses and do more dam, but no i hit like a gimp and my resistence aint higher then any other class.
Just think that we should have something for the spells and speed we dont have.

Else i think warriors are ok in rvr =)


Plankton - lvl 50 warrior
Morka - lvl 41 skald

 

[midmaster]

When you feel your char sucks, roll a Thane. Get it up to 50, and face the brutal truth: Thane's are the true gimps. We got nothing.
Zerkers have far more hp, warriors almost double. Hell, assassins have equal or more hp then a Thane since we need to boost resistance so much when we are so high profiled. No casting skills....Mjollnir? MUHAAAA....you hit "xxx for 30, XXx for 35".

I wish i had warrior instead.

 

[_tindel_]

wtf, Thane ROCKS, 50 hammer 50 SC AND BASH THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE

 

[SilverHood]

is that why you still play your Thane, Tindel darling?

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by mid_Efour
Damn u matt shanes u nuking me for 450+ ever what 2 seconds go away, stop it u know u r the reason that i try to cap my spirit resist, be gone, and play ur silly merc more make me safer alot...

Maybe i was rash but i think its cos i am teh gimpiest warrior on the server, i have a norse dex and a casters hps with the str or a kobald they say u cant gimp ur starting stats by much but i seem to have done a great job. and im a troll, ha ha ha ha ultimate killing machine hmm yes sure thnx mythic/goa.

Sigh people never listen or realise do they

I get nuked the same amount by runemasters whoa big deal

Plankton you show people warriors are good in rvr and yes they are,depends what you up against that's all.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by old.Emma


3. hero pure tank + moose form = magic ability

Not magic ability.. its a morph classbased ability Its an ability not a spell that can be used repeatedly + its on a phat timer.

Warriors get nothin but a big fu im affraid hopefully they get something later on

By the way you did know that warriors dont get any magic abilities so why complain about this now when you hit 50... i really doubt they would change the class this drastically.

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by midmaster
When you feel your char sucks, roll a Thane. Get it up to 50, and face the brutal truth: Thane's are the true gimps. We got nothing.
Zerkers have far more hp, warriors almost double. Hell, assassins have equal or more hp then a Thane since we need to boost resistance so much when we are so high profiled. No casting skills....Mjollnir? MUHAAAA....you hit "xxx for 30, XXx for 35".

I wish i had warrior instead.

so?

a thane is a good tank, u have to be careful thats all.

spec 42 weapon, 42 sheild, 48 SC and boom! you can solo armsmen

 

[old.azorius]

You soloed an Armsman Reinnon ?

Show us the screenie ! We need proof

Thane Powa.

 

[mid_Efour]

somone tell me the difference between a 50w 50s 28p spec warrior and the same as above on arms man except mids get a toilet 2 handed weapon?

just hp ?

 

[midmaster]

Thane a good Tank? Sure. PvE maybe. And you go ahead and solo the armsman, i have done that as well, but what i am saying is that Warriors are better. Said no more, no less. I got no clue if armsmen are good or bad since i never have or never will play a character from Albania.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by mid_Efour
somone tell me the difference between a 50w 50s 28p spec warrior and the same as above on arms man except mids get a toilet 2 handed weapon?

just hp ?

Well i see it this way

Armsmen can either go S+B or Pole+ Weapon spec

Where if he goes for S+B he gets lower HP than that of a warrior but has the benefits of substantially higher absorb factor.

If he goes pole + wepon hes essentially a Spearo without the Moose but clad in plate.

Although i might be wrong

 

[dJyng]

How do you play your Warrior?

How is a warrior supposed to act when their group encounters an even enemy grp?
In the beginning of fight?
In middle of fight?
In end of fight?

How does a defensive Thane act?
How does a offensive Thane act?
(How cc comes out is a very inportant thing thou.)

I play defensive Thane and have sort of found out how to act in theese situations.

 

[old.Emma]

for me it depends on the situation.. if there is cc i guard the healer... most of the time well when mg camping :/ im upto on the battlements guarding the casters from those evul archers and imho warriors aren`t crap... wish i had taken a log of the fight i had about 15 mins ago against belgorian 50 arms.. i was at 70% hp when he died... he used ip as well.. my defensive skills are much better than most arms... and imho 50w,50s,28p is no where near the best spec for a defensive tank... im 44w,50s,37p with items and rr/ra i have currently 46w,55s,48p i also have mob2,mopar2. when spellcrafting arrives i`ll have 55w,63s,50p. now that is a defensive spec tank.. and yeah the dmg aint exactly fantastic with 2h mid weapons.. but its still nice when you bring out that 2h`r and use positional styles.. hitting tanks for 300-350 dmg.

 

[Dook_Pug]

I completely disagree.

When I get RR5 with my Runie I'm rolling a (small femme) Dorf Warrior because quite simply, they rock.

IMO Warriors are the best Tank out there. Excellent defensive capabilities, excellent race choices and the ability to wield a 2H weapon at will. A well played Warrior can do anything they need to.

If you think Warriors suck just take a look at Jag. He rocks. It's how you play your char that counts.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
I completely disagree.

If you think Warriors suck just take a look at Jag. He rocks. It's how you play your char that counts.

And me

i r parry mastah

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.Emma


And me

i r parry mastah

Ya ya okay

It was funny seeing you parry/block 95% of the hits thrown at you outside MPK yesterday morning I must admit

 

[Solid]

ERrm Jag rocks cos he has Aarween stuck up his ass and level 50 Aug Shaman buffs from his bot.

Try a more average comparison

 

[old.Iunliten]

Originally posted by Solid
ERrm Jag rocks cos he has Aarween stuck up his ass and level 50 Aug Shaman buffs from his bot.

Try a more average comparison

Nothing extraordinarie there...

 

[old.Normengast]

<sigh>

The thread of eternal whining...


This game is - afaik - meant to be played in teams. It's not about how fast you die in RvR. And when we ask everyone's opinion, they'll all be gimped in a way. But there are other classes to fill you in on your shortcomings. When I fight with my mage, I have a warrior protect me. Anyone approaching the warrior gets nuked. As simple as that.