Warrior rage change, enough to ungimp warriors for pvp?

[Platin]

No, need more damage output. Only high damage styles are still OP+execute(which are both follow-up styles). Need a high damage main any-time style imo , then we would be fine! An option instead of going all out caster/rogue in pvp setups and would make it a hell of alot easier in solo pve (warrior is a nightmare)!

I'm only 49 though so I might not have a clue

 

[Khale]

I've just made a warrior but I've noticed a very weird bug since the new patch. I sometimes have a char that's stuck on the server side but I can move on the client. A relog fixes it luckily. Anyone else had this?

I find the warrior quite a normal class. Nice damage, good amount of health and a nice tank for PvE. And I love the ability to wield almost any weapon.

 

[k9awya]

No, need more damage output. Only high damage styles are still OP+execute(which are both follow-up styles). Need a high damage main any-time style imo , then we would be fine! An option instead of going all out caster/rogue in pvp setups and would make it a hell of alot easier in solo pve (warrior is a nightmare)!

I'm only 49 though so I might not have a clue

mortal strike is more than good enough.

 

[Lee]

The PvP spec that I'm using and that I think is the best at the moment is,

2 deflection, 3 improved rend, 5 tactical mastery, 2 improved charge (I managed to spec this one wrong and only put one there but I'm changing it later), anger management, 2 improved overpower, 3 deep wounds, 4 two-handed spec, 2 impale, 5 axe spec, 1 sweeping strike and 1 mortal strike.

As for fury I've specced, 5 cruelty, 5 improved dem shout, 1 piercing howl, 4 improved battle shout, 5 enrage.

I've killed/beaten 60 rogues with good equipment from full health to 0 with 3-4 hits. warriors depend alot on their items, so I'd understand why someone in 99% green shit with a 2h sword that has 150 max damage would think that they suck.

My advice to any warrior that's unhappy with their class is to spend less time on whining and more time on getting good equipment. If you're using anything else then axe at 60 you're doing the wrong thing! The only exception is Doomsaw which is a really nice polearm. But I'd recommend anyone to get this axe :

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14268

and get ALOT of crit chance %.

 

[Danya]

I'd suggest that this sword is better than that axe (or indeed any axe, though this is rather nice).

 

[Lee]

I'd suggest that this sword is better than that axe (or indeed any axe, though this is rather nice).

1. The Arcanite Reaper does alot more damage.
2. Axe spec is alot better then sword spec.

 

[Jupitus]

2. Axe spec is alot better then sword spec.

What kind of a bullshit post is that? If you are going to make a blanket statement like this then back it up with some meaningful reasoning.

Also, what consideration or information can we get from people using the higher level Axe or Sword specialisation talents? I'm pretty sure that would have some bearing on it.

 

[mts]

What kind of a bullshit post is that? If you are going to make a blanket statement like this then back it up with some meaningful reasoning.

Also, what consideration or information can we get from people using the higher level Axe or Sword specialisation talents? I'm pretty sure that would have some bearing on it.

I'm an axe specced arms/fury warrior. I chose axe simply because the axes tend to have more mortal strike friendly speeds. Swords have a sad tendency of being a tad too fast on the upper end of things. Arcanite reaper... :drool:

 

[katt!]

What kind of a bullshit post is that? If you are going to make a blanket statement like this then back it up with some meaningful reasoning.

Also, what consideration or information can we get from people using the higher level Axe or Sword specialisation talents? I'm pretty sure that would have some bearing on it.

5% extra chance to crit 100-120% on every attack or skill is > 5% chance to get an extra normal hit.

 

[Lee]

What kind of a bullshit post is that? If you are going to make a blanket statement like this then back it up with some meaningful reasoning.

Also, what consideration or information can we get from people using the higher level Axe or Sword specialisation talents? I'm pretty sure that would have some bearing on it.

I'm assuming that you have sword spec, and if you don't I'm just addressing you because it's convenient.

You have a 1% chance to do less damage then I can do with an unstyled crit (counting your bleed), and a 4% chance to do less damage then my bleed if I crit. Is that meaningful enough for you?

And yes I know that swords are faster and thus crits and procc sword spec more then I crit on those 5%, but unfortunetaly players aren't mobs with 30k hp so that doesn't matter. Burst damage wins in PvP.

 

[Garok]

All weapon types are fairly balanced imo. Remember that with the extra swing chance of sword spec ALSO has a chance to crit. At the end of the day if you gonna put 5 points into a Weapon specailty save those 5 points and spend them when you find a realy good weapon.

Weapon speed is situational aswell ... Slow hitting weps are good against high evade mele classes coupled with improved overpower and Retal since there damage per hit is more. Fast weapons are probably better overall for interupting casters. Fast weapons are also slighty better in bad lag situations.


Most important thing to do though is learn how to assign hotkeys and have an orgainsed stance quickbar (shared stance move in the same place, moves you use the most closest to your movement keys).

 

[Lee]

All weapon types are fairly balanced imo. Remember that with the extra swing chance of sword spec ALSO has a chance to crit. At the end of the day if you gonna put 5 points into a Weapon specailty save those 5 points and spend them when you find a realy good weapon.

Weapon speed is situational aswell ... Slow hitting weps are good against high evade mele classes coupled with improved overpower and Retal since there damage per hit is more. Fast weapons are probably better overall for interupting casters. Fast weapons are also slighty better in bad lag situations.


Most important thing to do though is learn how to assign hotkeys and have an orgainsed stance quickbar (shared stance move in the same place, moves you use the most closest to your movement keys).

I did consider his chance to crit with the extra attack, his damage would at best be equal with the extra damage I get from the crit (if it's an regular swing) but that will only happen 1/100 hits, so it's pretty useless in PvP.
The other 4% that doesn't crit hits for what, with the best sword in the game which I presume is Typhoon, for 300? As I said earlier, Deep Wounds does more damage then that when I crit.

Axe > Sword, ty.

 

[Sycho]

Mortal strike spec warrior with arcanite reaper is very good, but it's a pain to get hold of one though it's VERY worth it.

 

[Ormor]

Just use doomsaw until you get it then :>

 

[Nugusta]

Personally, I think that the warrior could still use some fixing. For example, disarm and Concussion blow. 45 second cooldown, even if it's dodged/parried/miss. In my mid 30's I specced conc blow because it's more my play style to stun people etc If it misses, we have to wait 45 seconds for it, I havent tried mortal strike, so I wouldn't know if this is the same. How ever it is on a (6) sec cool down, which mean's the user doesn't have to wait aslong should it be deflected.

I think to fix this issue with Disarm/Concussion Blow, if they're missed the timer should be set to a small cooldown such as 5 seconds. It means that the general cooldown is lower should it miss (which is not our fault, merely luck/unluck) and it's also not balance breaking.

Just the skills off the top of my head :/

 

[katt!]

Just use doomsaw until you get it then :>

Dreadforge retaliator is actually better dmg than doomsaw for a ms warrior.

 

[Bonelamencer]

Personally, I think that the warrior could still use some fixing. For example, disarm and Concussion blow. 45 second cooldown, even if it's dodged/parried/miss. In my mid 30's I specced conc blow because it's more my play style to stun people etc If it misses, we have to wait 45 seconds for it, I havent tried mortal strike, so I wouldn't know if this is the same. How ever it is on a (6) sec cool down, which mean's the user doesn't have to wait aslong should it be deflected.

I think to fix this issue with Disarm/Concussion Blow, if they're missed the timer should be set to a small cooldown such as 5 seconds. It means that the general cooldown is lower should it miss (which is not our fault, merely luck/unluck) and it's also not balance breaking.

Just the skills off the top of my head :/

The same is with MS e.g. if your blow is deflected you have to wait 6 secs for it anyway but it doesn't take 30 rage like few patches ago.Well but the best MS was at the begining when it cost only 20 rage and did 203% of wep dmg.I wub sweet "hidden nerfs"

 

[Nugusta]

The same is with MS e.g. if your blow is deflected you have to wait 6 secs for it anyway but it doesn't take 30 rage like few patches ago.Well but the best MS was at the begining when it cost only 20 rage and did 203% of wep dmg.I wub sweet "hidden nerfs"

Still I think that the cooldown on these skills is a little excessive, considering for Concussion blow you have to spend ~20 talent points, should it miss, 45 seconds cooldown. With MS its only 6 seconds. All I was saying was that, should Disarm/Concussion blow be deflected that the timer is lowered.

Small fixes

 

[Ballad_]

Oh fuck, the under 14's arrived. Well listen up you *****, I'll not put up with the same shite as goes on in DAOC area so be prepared for a sudden banning if you want to carry on. I refer you all to previous comments I made as linked by Fuzzy a couple of posts ago.

Fuzzy - use the ban stick as much as you wish.

What kind of a bullshit post is that? If you are going to make a blanket statement like this then back it up with some meaningful reasoning.

Also, what consideration or information can we get from people using the higher level Axe or Sword specialisation talents? I'm pretty sure that would have some bearing on it.

Hey grumpy. Don't be desperate, there's still hope left!

 

[Tallen]

Not good to bump old threads. This one was dead for 2 months and as such most things posted here are signifiacantly outdated and forgotten (note for anyone reading this after it was bumped).

 

[Zapsi]

Priest > warrior any time in duel no way warrior takes down 4600 hp fast enuff , doesnt matter who i duel or spec the best equiped warriors on servers not even close to beating decent priests. sure a holly speced priest anybody beats but 23 shadow is all u need.
priest is a 1v1 killer only druids that can play or shaman will win and thats normal a 10m fight atleast.
2x dot going for 1000 dmg each over time where they will heal back for around 1300 add the mindflay and blast u get off. blast is 600-1000 dmg with small return . Iam undead cant talk for alliance priest that dont have DP.

Now iam not saying warriors are Gimps wouldnt go PvP without 1 in my group, we run priest warrior druid 2 mages where 1 is ice 1 is gimp spec and warrior do shine there and we not using a MS warrior what is better dunno but I like to see the warrior as utility class charge pircing howl give mages space to kill sheep or what is needed.

 

[Lakashnik]

Priest > warrior any time in duel no way warrior takes down 4600 hp fast enuff , doesnt matter who i duel or spec the best equiped warriors on servers not even close to beating decent priests. sure a holly speced priest anybody beats but 23 shadow is all u need.
priest is a 1v1 killer only druids that can play or shaman will win and thats normal a 10m fight atleast.
2x dot going for 1000 dmg each over time where they will heal back for around 1300 add the mindflay and blast u get off. blast is 600-1000 dmg with small return . Iam undead cant talk for alliance priest that dont have DP.

Now iam not saying warriors are Gimps wouldnt go PvP without 1 in my group, we run priest warrior druid 2 mages where 1 is ice 1 is gimp spec and warrior do shine there and we not using a MS warrior what is better dunno but I like to see the warrior as utility class charge pircing howl give mages space to kill sheep or what is needed.

human priest get a cool purple glow buff for their weps which drain mana from others when we hit people.... yeah i use it so much
but having 1dot the dmg isnt that good.
an i hav real problems trying to get hps on my priest. with stam buff i get about 2900hps. my base stamina is like 46. im only lvl 59 so i will get 3000+ hps when i get new stam buff. but almost all my items have +stam on. think maybe 1or2 dont. altho i do have alot more intel. than anything else. mana pool of about 5900 unbuffed atm.
and on your mind blast 600-1000dmg is that meaning if it crits or not by chance?

 

[Zapsi]

U need better gear :/ 4627 hp 6989 mana here only with stam buff, this pvp gear ofc can swap to more INT for pve which I never do anyways.

 

[Lakashnik]

3300hps and 5969mana wit stam buff.
and i wouldnt say i had bad gear. would list it but im at work