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celtavigo
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Havoc isn't a anytimer tho :/.. Frontal attack so not too useful in rvr..
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Yip think farathorn_nexus forgot to see my :/ smily :/
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avonleah
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Plague is anytime style, though, and pretty decent, I'd say. Maybe it's just me, but I would never trade my axes and their styles away for anything.
Plague, Glacial Movement, Slam and Evernight/Artic Rift are the styles I have on qbar 1, and they always have and still work great for me and my group.
I believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, but choosing sword only because of Ragnarok is not such a great idea. -I've seen far too many people breaking a perfect mezz, because "they juuuuuuuuuust have to ...... "
Hammer for Provoke and Conquer ? Yes, ok, maybe, but when you are out of end, they serve just as much purpose as any other styles without end, and the snares are even breakable.
I still believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, and feel comfortable with, though.
My 2 cents.
Plague, Glacial Movement, Slam and Evernight/Artic Rift are the styles I have on qbar 1, and they always have and still work great for me and my group.
I believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, but choosing sword only because of Ragnarok is not such a great idea. -I've seen far too many people breaking a perfect mezz, because "they juuuuuuuuuust have to ...... "
Hammer for Provoke and Conquer ? Yes, ok, maybe, but when you are out of end, they serve just as much purpose as any other styles without end, and the snares are even breakable.
I still believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, and feel comfortable with, though.
My 2 cents.
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celtavigo
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Try using pillager+plunderer instead of plague.. Much much better and a snare on second attack..Unless you need to taunt
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avonleah
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^^ It has nothing to do with taunting. Hammer users use Provoke in rvr and sword users use Draw Out.
I've had a long time to figure out what worked best for me, and I don't find styles with short duration speed reduction, which are breakable, to be that great
I've had a long time to figure out what worked best for me, and I don't find styles with short duration speed reduction, which are breakable, to be that great
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celtavigo
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Bleh stop it, your making me unsure if I should respec to hammer now ... Well I often find situations in rvr where a snare would do alot of good, but on the other had I dont have PF yet, but im saving for it now that I got deter 5.. I acually love my Axe and it's styles, it's just that I want what's best.. But you are right you must feel comfortable with your weapon/styles or it won't do you any good or fun.. Maybe I should stick with my Axe and see how it works out when I get PF .. I really shouldn't be crying about snare thought as we warriors got like the best stun in the game
... Well I often find situations in rvr where a snare would do alot of good, but on the other had I dont have PF yet, but im saving for it now that I got deter 5.. I acually love my Axe and it's styles, it's just that I want what's best.. But you are right you must feel comfortable with your weapon/styles or it won't do you any good or fun.. Maybe I should stick with my Axe and see how it works out when I get PF .. I really shouldn't be crying about snare thought as we warriors got like the best stun in the game
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Just remind all seers that root is no good when they grouped with u .
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celtavigo
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Why? explain Zap... I r noob
Anyway I totally changed my mind now, I love axe again
Evernight and artic rift is the own especially since both cost low end.. Btw I tried using plague a bit instead of pillager/plunderer combo which I normally use, hm it was pretty nice as it deals more dmg, cost less and got a little better bonus to hit.. On the other hand it dont slow and snare.. But more dmg and less end is pretty nice and it gives you a extra spare button on page one..So it might be a better alternative in many fights
Anyway I totally changed my mind now, I love axe again
Evernight and artic rift is the own especially since both cost low end.. Btw I tried using plague a bit instead of pillager/plunderer combo which I normally use, hm it was pretty nice as it deals more dmg, cost less and got a little better bonus to hit.. On the other hand it dont slow and snare.. But more dmg and less end is pretty nice and it gives you a extra spare button on page one..So it might be a better alternative in many fights
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celtavigo
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Oh yeah forgot one thing, plague etc any many other positional or taunt styles often gives you a low-medium-high penalty to defense, I always wondered how it really worked as I haven't parsed it myself or bothered looking into it.. Does it make people get a higher chance to hit it just when you use it or is it after etc and does it really do a huge diffrence?
Hm I just remembed something intresting about that root thing, often when I duod in DF and got many adds I couldn't root them for some reason and I even thought that Nightmares where un-rootable for awhile But why would a dmg add cause that effect..
Hm I just remembed something intresting about that root thing, often when I duod in DF and got many adds I couldn't root them for some reason and I even thought that Nightmares where un-rootable for awhile
But why would a dmg add cause that effect..
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Hmm not not sure but look up stats on haub again iam very sure its damage shield which breaks root.
Most mobs in DF u can root just cast it 2 -3 times to be sure, even with 4 in pac my healer managed, now dont go try root the worm or Legion and say Zapsi told u
About high penalty in defence Iam not sure how it kicks in on warrior but on prob less chance to block parry or evade if its the same goes for guard I will have to look up .
Saying all this I got absolutly no clue
Zapzap the lvl 30 warrior thihi
Most mobs in DF u can root just cast it 2 -3 times to be sure, even with 4 in pac my healer managed, now dont go try root the worm or Legion and say Zapsi told u
About high penalty in defence Iam not sure how it kicks in on warrior but on prob less chance to block parry or evade if its the same goes for guard I will have to look up .
Saying all this I got absolutly no clue
Zapzap the lvl 30 warrior thihi
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Kenshin, I know snare is nice and very useful in rvr, but the difference between you and me, at this point, is I have PF, and you don't That kind of slipped my mind, and I have to admit that if I didn't have a choice, I would most likely go for hammer because of it's snare styles. Since I luckily enough do have the choice, though, I chose axe and enjoy my PF.
That kind of slipped my mind, and I have to admit that if I didn't have a choice, I would most likely go for hammer because of it's snare styles. Since I luckily enough do have the choice, though, I chose axe and enjoy my PF.
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farathorn_nexus
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Aye, Zap was right I was alittle fast on the answer above and got it a bit wrong I know Havoc is a front pos and not a anytimer hence I don´t use it much.
I always use Plague as anytimer and Evernight + Artic for behind. Then combine with 1H/2H and shieldstyles as mentioned earlier. I hope I got it right this time
Other than that I pretty much agree with Vanaya about that in the end you should go with the weapons that suits you the best since you should be able to preform well with any of them anyway.
I know Havoc is a front pos and not a anytimer hence I don´t use it much. I always use Plague as anytimer and Evernight + Artic for behind. Then combine with 1H/2H and shieldstyles as mentioned earlier. I hope I got it right this time
Other than that I pretty much agree with Vanaya about that in the end you should go with the weapons that suits you the best since you should be able to preform well with any of them anyway.
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celtavigo
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Well the stats page says
Hakr's Hauberk - Warrior, Thane, Skald
102af, 100% quality, 35% bonus
+24 Str, +24 Con, +24 Dex, +24 Qui
11 dps damage shield reactive proc
which isn't true.. In game it got a value 11 DMG ADD which last 30 seconds.. So it's not a damage shield...So it shouldn't affect root I guess..
Hakr's Hauberk - Warrior, Thane, Skald
102af, 100% quality, 35% bonus
+24 Str, +24 Con, +24 Dex, +24 Qui
11 dps damage shield reactive proc
which isn't true.. In game it got a value 11 DMG ADD which last 30 seconds.. So it's not a damage shield...So it shouldn't affect root I guess..
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Originally posted by sagano
*tbh i fail to see whats so great about hammer if you got a shaman that knows how to stay alive ... great for pve tho
try snaring someone in rvr from the first hit WITHOUT PF with sword or axe
tbh i was refering to the amount of ppl that spec hammer for provoke..
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troll 50 sword 50 shield 28 parry.
15 str 10 con at start, fuck dex get it up when toa comes anyway xD
15 str 10 con at start, fuck dex get it up when toa comes anyway xD
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low RR troll warrior hits slow
so what happens ?
your chasing someone , you are both sprinting , you hit him with 2H , you gotta wait ages for your next swing and in the meanwhile his speed kicks and its bb target
thats why a snare on a follow up or even PF just aint good enough
with hammer its just hit conquer he gets snared and you got him
and yes it breakable just hit it again then and hes snared again
when your higher RR or in guildgroups its a complete different world tho
so what happens ?
your chasing someone , you are both sprinting , you hit him with 2H , you gotta wait ages for your next swing and in the meanwhile his speed kicks and its bb target
thats why a snare on a follow up or even PF just aint good enough
with hammer its just hit conquer he gets snared and you got him
and yes it breakable just hit it again then and hes snared again
when your higher RR or in guildgroups its a complete different world tho
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Troll has most ws.... people will find it hard to get past your guard that's the good thing.(yeah i know dex effects block too but can just boost that with ra's and toa items if you get it )
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has been entertaining reading all this, and i guess its time i have a say in this
im hammer specced now after respeccing ot of axe, originally i was sword a long time ago, but went axe cus sword is and imo will be the least good for rvr, sure u got ragnarok, great dmg etc but ur not invited into a group to deal dmg, ur invited to guard/slam/snare/PF etc the ones attacking your seers. axe while being decent, has no immediate snare style, yes it has one on a combo, but try doing that combo on hibs with 6s pbt? 1 miss every 2 attacks = no snare, also, the snare only lasts 12 secs or smt, while conquer lasts 23secs
then we come to hammer, while having a low end taunt style for normal hitting ( i dont think anyone can succesfully use other styles that give better dmg or better effect as an anytimer) and conquer/sledge for backstyles, conquer is also low end so u can practically keep sprinting+conquering,
someone brought up the fact that u can get PF and that snare isnt a must, and i disagree there, when your groupshaman hasnt been able to root anyone and they go for a seer, u can snare him, PF does this also, without an immunity timer, BUT PF wont trigger off at every hit, so u cant count on PF to save your seers
this is my advice if u want to make a pure rvr warrior being defensively, 50hammer 50shield rest parry
i havent regretted a second that i respecced to hammer when it comes down to saving your seers
Foadon 7L1 warrior-
im hammer specced now after respeccing ot of axe, originally i was sword a long time ago, but went axe cus sword is and imo will be the least good for rvr, sure u got ragnarok, great dmg etc but ur not invited into a group to deal dmg, ur invited to guard/slam/snare/PF etc the ones attacking your seers. axe while being decent, has no immediate snare style, yes it has one on a combo, but try doing that combo on hibs with 6s pbt? 1 miss every 2 attacks = no snare, also, the snare only lasts 12 secs or smt, while conquer lasts 23secs
then we come to hammer, while having a low end taunt style for normal hitting ( i dont think anyone can succesfully use other styles that give better dmg or better effect as an anytimer) and conquer/sledge for backstyles, conquer is also low end so u can practically keep sprinting+conquering,
someone brought up the fact that u can get PF and that snare isnt a must, and i disagree there, when your groupshaman hasnt been able to root anyone and they go for a seer, u can snare him, PF does this also, without an immunity timer, BUT PF wont trigger off at every hit, so u cant count on PF to save your seers
this is my advice if u want to make a pure rvr warrior being defensively, 50hammer 50shield rest parry
i havent regretted a second that i respecced to hammer when it comes down to saving your seers
Foadon 7L1 warrior-
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rionnen
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^^^^^
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[Mid] Aseli
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So what RA you think a warrior should get?
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rionnen
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an insta ae kill... with an ae of about .... erm emain should do it
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roteca
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lw1
det5
pf
purge
augdex2
mopain2
aom1 or 2
thougness
and then continue with passive ra's
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agree with what foadon said
for RA's get:
lw1
mob 5
det 5
purge
aom 1-2
PF
for RA's get:
lw1
mob 5
det 5
purge
aom 1-2
PF
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Shabs
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You can get by without PF if your hammer specced, because of snare on from rear hammer style, its not totally nescessary
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Harm
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Originally posted by avonleah
Plague is anytime style, though, and pretty decent, I'd say. Maybe it's just me, but I would never trade my axes and their styles away for anything.
Plague, Glacial Movement, Slam and Evernight/Artic Rift are the styles I have on qbar 1, and they always have and still work great for me and my group.
I believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, but choosing sword only because of Ragnarok is not such a great idea. -I've seen far too many people breaking a perfect mezz, because "they juuuuuuuuuust have to ...... "
Hammer for Provoke and Conquer ? Yes, ok, maybe, but when you are out of end, they serve just as much purpose as any other styles without end, and the snares are even breakable.
I still believe people should choose the kind of weapon, they like, and feel comfortable with, though.
My 2 cents.
The snare is also chainable, which is imo very nice. Anyway, as she said, find a weapon you're comfortable with. There are no roxxorboxxor here i think.
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1351 wskill with 186 str and rr6.
About 11pts of wskill per spec level - also past 50.
About 11pts of wskill per spec level - also past 50.
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Harm
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Originally posted by -foadon-
has been entertaining reading all this, and i guess its time i have a say in this
im hammer specced now after respeccing ot of axe, originally i was sword a long time ago, but went axe cus sword is and imo will be the least good for rvr, sure u got ragnarok, great dmg etc but ur not invited into a group to deal dmg, ur invited to guard/slam/snare/PF etc the ones attacking your seers. axe while being decent, has no immediate snare style, yes it has one on a combo, but try doing that combo on hibs with 6s pbt? 1 miss every 2 attacks = no snare, also, the snare only lasts 12 secs or smt, while conquer lasts 23secs
then we come to hammer, while having a low end taunt style for normal hitting ( i dont think anyone can succesfully use other styles that give better dmg or better effect as an anytimer) and conquer/sledge for backstyles, conquer is also low end so u can practically keep sprinting+conquering,
someone brought up the fact that u can get PF and that snare isnt a must, and i disagree there, when your groupshaman hasnt been able to root anyone and they go for a seer, u can snare him, PF does this also, without an immunity timer, BUT PF wont trigger off at every hit, so u cant count on PF to save your seers
this is my advice if u want to make a pure rvr warrior being defensively, 50hammer 50shield rest parry
i havent regretted a second that i respecced to hammer when it comes down to saving your seers
Foadon 7L1 warrior-
Had exact same story on my specs and agree completely.