Warrior changes...

[Urme the Legend]

Give Warrior insta throw on a timer like 8sec.. wouldn't that be something Warrior needs?

 

[Kagato.]

About as much as armsman need to be able to have there crossbows knocked ready with one bolt to instant fire.

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by Urme the Legend
Give Warrior insta throw on a timer like 8sec.. wouldn't that be something Warrior needs?

In a way it would be cool, but then again would you change cheap RA´s and det for it? Cause if my memory is correct the idea giving them out was "because these classes don´t have ranged attacks"

Feel free to prove me wrong

 

[Urme the Legend]

we already have range attacks .. why not make them instant?

 

[roteca]

Why bother to use trow weapons, except when you are soloing and the mobs are standing tigth ?

 

[eös]

give spiked shields...a kind of permanent damage shield doing damage to an attacker each time you block, would just be an ability linked with large shields and i don't think it would be too overpowering but something to make the class a little more unique

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by Urme the Legend
Give Warrior insta throw on a timer like 8sec.. wouldn't that be something Warrior needs?

I think warrior's have had enough, as of 1.62 they will be the best tank's in the game and u could agrue they are now.

Giving warrior's insta interupt, hmm lets think about that. No sry , instead lets bash them into the ground with a nerf bat

or just give arms loving instead.

Good point kagato, xbow's do suck though

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Urme the Legend
Give Warrior insta throw on a timer like 8sec.. wouldn't that be something Warrior needs?

why should warrior have insta range attack when armsman and Hero hasn't?

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by eös
give spiked shields...a kind of permanent damage shield doing damage to an attacker each time you block, would just be an ability linked with large shields and i don't think it would be too overpowering but something to make the class a little more unique

ppl really think warrior needs more lubbing?

 

[old.LandShark]

Re: Re: Warrior changes...

Originally posted by Gahldir
why should warrior have insta range attack when armsman and Hero hasn't?

Why should hero have moose and best melee stun in the game as well as the cheap RAs, tank hp/dmg etc?
Not that I'm screaming 'nerf heros' here, just your post doesn't make much sense.
Anyhow, warriors should not have insta ranged attack because there's quite enough to interupt poor casters as it is

 

[Urme the Legend]

Hehe.. maybe instant throw is little overpowered .. but atleast take away the ability to specc throw and give it as baseline... and do something with it so it is more usefull.. at it is now.. it's only "fun" at keep defence.. not usefull though.

 

[Cala-more]

give armsmen Dragon mode 4tehwin!

 

[[NP]ArlaHaren]

They should make throw wpn throwable "ontherun" like minstrell mezz.

Like when a guy runs from u u run after him and throw ur axes in his back. Funneh!

 

[svartmetall]

Originally posted by Gahldir
ppl really think warrior needs more lubbing?

More? Did we get some and I missed it? I reckon we're about right now, no need to change Warriors ATM.

 

[vofflujarnid]

Forgive my stupidity but... what do Warriors get in 1.62?

 

[[NP]ArlaHaren]

Originally posted by vofflujarnid
Forgive my stupidity but... what do Warriors get in 1.62?

More killspams since Zerkers get nerfed

 

[eös]

yes i do think warrior needs something, it has no defining ability, nothing that makes it stand out from the other main tanks, we don't even get an advanced weapon spec to choose from. The only slight advantage we have is the ablility to wield both 1h and 2h weapons, but that is an ability of the realm not specifically of the class. Oh i forgot we get to spec thrown weapons, that makes up for lack of moose or advanced weapon spec...i'm not saying warriors are gimped, they are a good solid class, but it is a cookie cutter class and will be till we get something to make us unique, but saying that i love my warrior and wouldn't swap her for anything else.

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by eös
. Oh i forgot we get to spec thrown weapons, that makes up for lack of moose or advanced weapon spec...i'm not saying warriors are gimped, they are a good solid class, but it is a cookie cutter class and will be till we get something to make us unique, but saying that i love my warrior and wouldn't swap her for anything else.

Warriors do the most base damage in the game now. Fact

So now advanced weapon spec in alb has 0 difference, u can out dmg us now and we STILL have to double spec for no dmg increase above other main tank's.

So now you do the most damage in the game you want an instant interupt or something else, an ability basically?

wtf has an armsman got? plate ?

u get chain and evade 1 < chain is resistant to the most common dmg type in the game >

Plate is weak to crush < Most main tanks + some hybrids have slam, Crush dmg :x > and is neutral to the most common dmg type in game.

We get Polearm though ?

Warriors now do most base dmg in the game as of a few patch's ago, as it seems warrriors needed attention.

Dual speccing has 0 benefit in comparasion to warriors / heros now.

oh but then ofc arms have ............



Warrriors are fine and as I said before they will be the best main tank as of 1.62.

Savages being the best tank in the game though :0

Other class'es need much more urgent attention than a solid class like the warrior. If I could reroll my arms to a warrior I would ^^ < but keep my polearm >

 

[Gahldir]

Re: Re: Re: Warrior changes...

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Why should hero have moose and best melee stun in the game as well as the cheap RAs, tank hp/dmg etc?
Not that I'm screaming 'nerf heros' here, just your post doesn't make much sense.
Anyhow, warriors should not have insta ranged attack because there's quite enough to interupt poor casters as it is

point is, about every class in mid cept warriors already have something insta to interupt. however i do disagree about best meleestun

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by eös
yes i do think warrior needs something, it has no defining ability, nothing that makes it stand out from the other main tanks, we don't even get an advanced weapon spec to choose from. The only slight advantage we have is the ablility to wield both 1h and 2h weapons, but that is an ability of the realm not specifically of the class. Oh i forgot we get to spec thrown weapons, that makes up for lack of moose or advanced weapon spec...i'm not saying warriors are gimped, they are a good solid class, but it is a cookie cutter class and will be till we get something to make us unique, but saying that i love my warrior and wouldn't swap her for anything else.

can see that compaired to savages and zerkers (pre1.62) you still might want some for warriors. but when you look at the other realms I totally disagree. sure, something to stick out. but what would this be if it isn't a nice skill?

and for not having an advaced specc, feel lucky.

 

[-frostor-]

look a mid that wants more insta stuff

 

[ormagaa]

Originally posted by eös
give spiked shields...a kind of permanent damage shield doing damage to an attacker each time you block, would just be an ability linked with large shields and i don't think it would be too overpowering but something to make the class a little more unique

thats the coolest thing ive heard in a long time.
Armsmen, and Warriors LACK something special for the group
and self.

Ok, Crossbow, and throwing axes and hammers, really good ^^.

A self-dmg-shield that comes along with shieldspecc and only works if you block. I really like the idea.

Or give us GP.

 

[hellraisermk2]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
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I agree warriors are fine, but they are one of (if not the) most boring classes in the game. It would be nice to have something unique and <gasp> fun to play with.

You seem a little bitter because armsmen are also in need of help. There's no doubting double speccing sucks and also that plate isn't the unique ability most make it out to be (can't be too unique if paly's have it). Still, the arguement that the higher base damage makes everything for the warrior ok is utter rubbish though. For a start, not all warriors run around doing unstyled damage, and the percentage it amounts to is absolutely minimal and not one bit noticable.

Also, although armsmen do have to double spec to get an advanced weapon spec, at least the option is there to take. Warriors can spec defensively and defensively only. We do get the 1h/ 2h tradeoff, but as many of pointed out it isn't class specific as anyone in midgard who can use a weapon can use 1h or 2h.

Our (once) unique line is an absolute joke. Not only is thrown weapons completely ineffective regardless of how high you spec it, but it's damage output does not increase if you spec it. Added to that that it was given to other midgard classes (rightfully so as a pulling tool) that don't have to spec in it and it's pretty clear how much of a joke it really is.

At the end of the day I don't want moose, plate, etc, but I do want something fun to play around with. An advanced weapon we could spec in would also be a nice option for us too. Shame we'll get neither.

 

[Nichneven]

Originally posted by eös
i love my warrior and wouldn't swap her for anything else.

Well... can you really help being cute and mini and blue? ^^

No, of course we can't!

Mini kobbies unite!

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by ormagaa
thats the coolest thing ive heard in a long time.
Armsmen, and Warriors LACK something special for the group
and self.

Ok, Crossbow, and throwing axes and hammers, really good ^^.

A self-dmg-shield that comes along with shieldspecc and only works if you block. I really like the idea.

Or give us GP.

sure, sounds like a magical ability that would take you to skald dmg- and hp-table ^^

edit: forgot that that wont happen since savage is counted as a tank /whine

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by hellraisermk2

You seem a little bitter because armsmen are also in need of help. There's no doubting double speccing sucks and also that plate isn't the unique ability most make it out to be (can't be too unique if paly's have it). Still, the arguement that the higher base damage makes everything for the warrior ok is utter rubbish though. For a start, not all warriors run around doing unstyled damage, and the percentage it amounts to is absolutely minimal and not one bit noticable.

correct me if I am wrong, but it's like style dmg = unstyle dmg + stylebonus. so, if I am not completely wrong, it uped all your dmg.

Imo, a warrior can be a defensive and an offensive tank. takes him 1sec to switch. hibs and albs main-tanks have to give up either parry or 1hand dmg to get anywhere near this. spec 50>39>28>6 in a weapon.

sure, warrior lack something to make them uniqe. but I find it hard to give them something to be uniqe without taking them from a solid class to an owerpowered class.

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by hellraisermk2

Well bitter is a strong word mate, more confused as to how warriors want more when they are clearly better than armsmen. Yes it would great if warriors had a class defining ability but arms have same probs.

We have Pole < advan'd spec> that is the only class defining thing for an arms.

It doesnt offer superior dmg any more and is just wasted points we need so we perform near that of hero/warrior for 2h dmg.

Pally's have plate so cant say that.

Warriors can be offensive and defensive nps and with the added base dmg they can do alot of dmg as well. Ask jawz and so many other warrior's. If an arms wants to have the same utility as a warrior he must lower his 2h dmg and/ or lower his shield skill to get both. While u get 50/50 dmg < all in 1 dmg > we have to dual spec to 50/39-50 , for 0 returns. While u get 50 in shield we can only afford 42 for base slam, reducing slam being used as purely offense, yes can be used as defence but with low shield spec u wont be any use. Get a pally for that.

Eos's idea is v interesting but that would only help Warrior's mainly as they are the only tank to spec 50 in shield and still keep max 2h dmg.

I think something small to give would be the xbow / axe that u can have readied before battle and must stop to reload it. Its a nice add + a surprise but I am sure mages would scream nerf etc etc. we throw axe/ xbow - bolt to pop bt and then slam no worrys but something is needed I agree.


As for warrior's being boring to play, cant be more/less boring as an arms/hero. most frustrating thing for 2h arms, pbt. u swing all day and do fek all , only when using /assist is it any use. Most frustrating thing as a 1h, low dmg. u can swing all day but a secondary healer will out heal ur dmg. Afaik warriors do some v nice 1h dmg though ?


I came to releaise, u cant just give warrior / arms some sort of insta shout or special gift as it goes against the nature of the class so something in are spec or stats has to change.

Something to give warriors is ther own weapon type spec that nobody in ther realm has, like Polearm but different ofc.

Possibly Blunt weapons spec, the weapons are neutral to all armor's. < as it stands now a LW hero can choose to be either neutral or + against his main tank counter-part so not major loving or anything >

Maybe for arms, remove the double speccing for only Polearm's. Then arms can actually have slam. < I dont see this happening at all tbh >

Possibly if not that then,

Ability every 15 min < like m00se > to totally convert all af for weapon.skill + dmg. You do Huge hits to peeps but u take Huge hits back.


Just suggestions, comments as always.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
Ability every 15 min < like m00se > to totally convert all af for weapon.skill + dmg. You do Huge hits to peeps but u take Huge hits back.

moose is 30 mins

 

[vindicat0r]

ok 30 min then

 

[Pandemic]

we should have abilty to block for 2 people not 1