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[mank!]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Oh, yeah... blame her mom. Mom's are supposed to know everything. Mom's just make mistakes from time to time - like thinking that offer from Kazaa to dl as many songs as she wants for 29.95 - because it's a supposedly legal offer from a legal company. It's not like she was selling crack ffs.

I wasn't blaming her mother btw, I was just pointing out that she'll be legally accountable for the fine(s) and whatnot. It's also the parents responsibility to instill the details of the law in their child and to supervise them, which is no doubt something the RIAA will use against them should it continue further.

Personally, I think it's all fucking insane and the RIAA are capitalist pigdogs.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by n3wbie
you are just trying to make it sound bad because she is young, no one has any right to destroy anyones life like you just said, if it happend to a 20yr old then their life would be destroyed too.

Do you get it? Shall I use simple words? Or draw you a picture?

12 = child.
20 = adult.

You'd think common sense and at least a sliver of humanity should have prevented you from above quote - but no. Lets be ignorant. You are good at that anyway, n3wb.

Do you ever make any differences?
Throwing bricks at people is the same as the supposed legal download of a file?
Lets move to Lala-land where everything is black and white.

Burglars should get the same punishment as murderers. Don't you think?

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by mank!
I think it's all fucking insane and the RIAA are capitalist pigdogs.

Spot on.

They're just there to make money out of everyone, regardless of age.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Originally posted by n3wbie
you are just trying to make it sound bad because she is young, no one has any right to destroy anyones life like you just said, if it happend to a 20yr old then their life would be destroyed too.

Yes a 20 year old, a legal adult, they can vote, have sex, smoke, drive etc etc.

And as such are expected to have a much better idea over a 12 year old with whats right.

And before you say it... people deemed to be insane who murdered someone because of it, arn't sent to jail as it's seen as Dimished Responsiblity (sp?).

These laws are their to protect people who really don't have any better idea about what they are doing from being put into the same boat as people who do.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)


Burglars should get the same punishment as murderers. Don't you think?

Would stop the fuckers reofending over and over

 

[adams901]

cant be arsed to read all the replies, so if this has been said tough

"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it"

So her parents knew she was downloading from Kazaa, and her parents were also paying for her to do it, her parents also should have known it was illegal.

I agree that its out of order to do this to a kid, but her parents are responsible for her actions so they are the ones that should be punished, they were even paying for the service so there are no real excuses for them.

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
And before you say it... people deemed to be insane who murdered someone because of it, arn't sent to jail as it's seen as Dimished Responsiblity (sp?).

Correct

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by Teh Krypt
Would stop the fuckers reofending over and over

Hell, lets bring back hanging for all crimes! That'll stop them

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Teh Krypt
Would stop the fuckers reofending over and over

Lets not change the subject, please - it was just an example.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Cdr
Hell, lets bring back hanging for all crimes! That'll stop them

I propose disembowelment for people who use the rolleyes smiley.

(Sorry, I like you really. I just hate that smiley)

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by adams901

So her parents knew she was downloading from Kazaa, and her parents were also paying for her to do it, her parents also should have known it was illegal.

Why? Why should they have known that it was illegal?
Not everyone knows about the whole Kazaa/Napster etc. thing.

They paid 30 bucks every months for the service - maybe they thought they were paying royalties for the artists whose music they downloaded.

Jumping to conclusions always helps - but I guess that's human nature.

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Throwing bricks at people is the same as the supposed legal download of a file?

did i say it was the same? no. i got a criminal record at 13, did i know i was breaking the law? yes, i knew it was wrong but i couldnt just say "i didnt know that was illegal so its ok".

 

[Cdr]

heh was kinda of a sarcastic rolleyes to keep in line with the person I quoted

 

[mank!]

On a related note, at 12 I was stealing magazines (no, not those type) from newsagents. Thank fuck the RIAA didn't come after me!!!!

 

[AniDante]

Sorry to have to disagree with Uncle Sick as I have been in complete agreement with him so far, however...

For the type of burglary where someone breaks into someone's house, then I think they should get as high a punishment as the law can provide.

I really don't see why that farmer was sent to jail, he was protecting himself and his property, it's not like he went shooting in the town ffs, and then the burglar tries to sue him! He should be locked away and have the lock melted.

However, if it's a burglary of a shop or otherwise uninhabited place then that's less serious, but breaking into someone's house, possibly armed with a knife, gun, with intention to harm and steel... they loose all protection of the law and desearve to be shot if you ask me.

Anyway, getting off topic a bit.

 

[Cdr]

You dont know! They could have tagged you, and you could find a summons thro the door tomorrow!

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Originally posted by n3wbie
did i say it was the same? no. i got a criminal record at 13, did i know i was breaking the law? yes, i knew it was wrong but i couldnt just say "i didnt know that was illegal so its ok".

Your record wasn't for being misled by a company though was it?

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by AniDante
For the type of burglary where someone breaks into someone's house, then I think they should get as high a punishment as the law can provide.

I really don't see why that farmer was sent to jail, he was protecting himself and his property, it's not like he went shooting in the town ffs, and then the burglar tries to sue him! He should be locked away and have the lock melted.

However, if it's a burglary of a shop or otherwise uninhabited place then that's less serious, but breaking into someone's house, possibly armed with a knife, gun, with intention to harm and steel... they loose all protection of the law and desearve to be shot if you ask me.

Anyway, getting off topic a bit.

Wheeeeeee, I hear another can of worms exploding.

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by AniDante
I really don't see why that farmer was sent to jail, he was protecting himself and his property, it's not like he went shooting in the town ffs, and then the burglar tries to sue him! He should be locked away and have the lock melted.

hehe think there's a thread on here somewhere about Martin.

I've read the case notes etc from the court case, and I have to agree that his punishment was apt. Fortunately you dont get the hyped up rubbish from the actual papers used in the House of Lords like you do in the Sun or the Daily Mail. Quite an interesting read.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by n3wbie
did i say it was the same? no. i got a criminal record at 13, did i know i was breaking the law? yes, i knew it was wrong but i couldnt just say "i didnt know that was illegal so its ok".

How can you say that she knew she was breaking the law?

How so? If you launch Kazaa it doesn't say: "Yo! Watch out, you are doing something bad! If you want to proceed to do something bad, click "ok"".

You just type in the name of the piece or the artist and off it goes... but 12 year olds are supposed to know that's bad. Right?

When I dled Napster I didn't know it was illegal. In Germany you can make a copy of a movie or cd and pass it on to up to six friends/relatives. You can tape music on the radio and make another six copies etc.

So how the fuck should I have know that it was illegal? It was perfectly fine according to our laws here - then the Napster craze started.

And throwing a brick at someone... ? Stop comparing apples with pears.

Edit: AniDante - I was just quickly looking for an example.

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Your record wasn't for being misled by a company though was it?

for all we know they could be making that fee crap up, who has ever downloaded kazza and been asked to pay $30 to use it...

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
And throwing a brick at someone... ? Stop comparing apples with pears.

how many fucking times, i never said they were the same thing.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Who lives in america?

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Cdr
hehe think there's a thread on here somewhere about Martin.

I've read the case notes etc from the court case, and I have to agree that his punishment was apt. Fortunately you dont get the hyped up rubbish from the actual papers used in the House of Lords like you do in the Sun or the Daily Mail. Quite an interesting read.

Are you a law student / lawyer / rozzer / James Bond?

 

[Cdr]

Just finished a Law degree at university

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Who lives in america?

Americans.

(amongst others)

 

[adams901]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Why? Why should they have known that it was illegal?
Not everyone knows about the whole Kazaa/Napster etc. thing.

They paid 30 bucks every months for the service - maybe they thought they were paying royalties for the artists whose music they downloaded.

Jumping to conclusions always helps - but I guess that's human nature.

I think every man and his dog know about the RIAA and their quest, if they don't then they need to come out from under the stone (I am talking about the parents here not the child). I also think it is pretty common knowlege that Kazaa edonkey and any other p2p network is being targeted by MPAA and RIAA, surely that should give a clue as to how legal it is.

Hell even my grandad knows about the RIAA and their quest, he doesnt even own a computer.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Who lives in america?

I will... again... in about three weeks. Lived there for 8 years - and had only good experiences with the country and the people.

But that was the New England area - it's civilized.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Cdr
Just finished a Law degree at university

When the RIAA come a-knocking, I'll be sure to give you a ring.

 

[AniDante]

ok Uncle Sick, better off with attacks in the street I would have used.

I can't believe how others here think a 12 year old girl and her mom would know it was illegal, it has no warnings, and generally you don't pay money to do something illegal!

They should sue Kazaa for goodness sake.

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by mank!
When the RIAA come a-knocking, I'll be sure to give you a ring.

hehe okay dokey, you'll get a speshul discount