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[Deadmanwalking]

Im not talking about knowledge of computers here, it's about knowledge of the law and just life in general.

A 30 year old would know the basics of copyrighted material and why it is illegal to download/deal in it.

A 12 year old doesn't care about things like copyrights/bills/laws and so can't be expected to know about them like a 30 year old can.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Originally posted by evilmonkeh
and by the sounds of it, your sensible enough not to get caught.

How? heres how..

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Im not talking about knowledge of computers here, it's about knowledge of the law and just life in general.

A 30 year old would know the basics of copyrighted material and why it is illegal to download/deal in it.

A 12 year old doesn't care about things like copyrights/bills/laws and so can't be expected to know about them like a 30 year old can.

hello parents

 

[evilmonkeh]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Im not talking about knowledge of computers here, it's about knowledge of the law and just life in general.

A 30 year old would know the basics of copyrighted material and why it is illegal to download/deal in it.

A 12 year old doesn't care about things like copyrights/bills/laws and so can't be expected to know about them like a 30 year old can.

a 30 year old is likely to understand, but a 30 yearold is also responsible for his actions.
where as a 12 year old isnt.

irony, contridiction. oh joy.

 

[tris-]

there is no reason why a 12 yr old SHOULDNT know about it though, its on the news enough etc. notice you say doesnt care, doesnt mean she shouldnt know. a 30 yr old might not care about bills/law/etc, doesnt mean they dont know about them

 

[evilmonkeh]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
How? heres how..

or was i just implying that you have to be smart not to get caught?
you can be average and still get caught, must be one step ahead of the game.

as my dad allways says "if you cant be good, dont get caught"
and i stick to taht rule

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Originally posted by mank!
hello parents

There have been several discussions on here as it happens, that parents can't always see what their child is doing on the computer. And as the mother must have paid the "Service Charge" she was clueless. Anyway how this links to the 12 year old gettng sued im not 100%.

 

[AniDante]

Originally posted by n3wbie
there is no reason why a 12 yr old SHOULDNT know about it though, its on the news enough

Since when does a 12 year old watch the news?! I know I feckin' didn't at that age. I was annoyed when the news/politics interrupted my cartoons and switched to the other channel.

 

[evilmonkeh]

anyway, what is this "service charge"?

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by AniDante
Since when does a 12 year old watch the news?! I know I feckin' didn't at that age. I was annoyed when the news/politics interrupted my cartoons and switched to the other channel.

so that is a perfectly good reason why you can say "you cant sue me!"? if i never watched the news all my life and then did something illegal and didnt know the new laws, is that ok for me to get away with it?

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

12 for crying out loud - a child. My daughter is 11 - she doesn't know feck about copyright or other finer points of law.
12 year olds play Yugio or whatever the fuck it's called. 12 year olds watch Teen Titans and read kiddy books.

What the flying fuck is wrong with some of you folks? Not everyone on this planet is teh ubar intarweb surfer or reads about file swapping. Especially not a non-geeky 12 year old girl.

And there are worlds between a 12 yr old and a 16 yr. old.

On behalf of the thinking inhabitants of this planet... krypt & spiteful co. - don't procreate. Get neutered. kthx

 

[Deadmanwalking]

I think it's more why a 12 year old girl? and not one of the millions of people that do this for a living as such.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

They are doing the right thing.. just like with the omnipresent drug problems.

Get the users. Leave the dealers alone... Makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
There have been several discussions on here as it happens, that parents can't always see what their child is doing on the computer. And as the mother must have paid the "Service Charge" she was clueless. Anyway how this links to the 12 year old gettng sued im not 100%.

She's 12, her mother is presumably her legal guardian and hence is accountable for her daughter's actions until she turns 16 and is classed as an adult in the eyeos of the law.

That's how it links in, wakey wakey son.

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
I think it's more why a 12 year old girl? and not one of the millions of people that do this for a living as such.

well you think they knew she was a 12 yr old girl when they started tracing her or what ever?

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Not everyone on this planet is teh ubar intarweb surfer or reads about file swapping.

you could say that about any person of any age

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
I think it's more why a 12 year old girl? and not one of the millions of people that do this for a living as such.

Presumably because they've not been caught?

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Originally posted by n3wbie
well you think they knew she was a 12 yr old girl when they started tracing her or what ever?

Yeah, but when they found out all about her? Why not just a slap on the wrists saying "Don't do it again". And then go after the real problem.

 

[Tom]

She's a 12 year old child for gods sake. Children can't be held fully responsible for their actions, thats why they're called children! I remember what it was like to be 12, I knew practically nothing about what happened outside school, or my social circle.

If they sue her, they certainly won't get any sympathy. They're more likely to turn the public against them.

 

[evilmonkeh]

Originally posted by mank!
Presumably because they've not been caught?

which leads us back to before

anyway, she is probably just one fish in a very big ocean, and whos to say she actually exists and isnt just some scare mongering tactic used?

anyway im tired.
nuff debating tonight.

 

[AniDante]

Originally posted by n3wbie
so that is a perfectly good reason why you can say "you cant sue me!"? if i never watched the news all my life and then did something illegal and didnt know the new laws, is that ok for me to get away with it?

I never said that, my comment was purley that it's highly unlikely for a 12 year old to watch the news and have a full understanding of copyright laws.

In my experience, parents are still trying to teach the kids the value of money at this age so as to ease the "Mommy, Daddy, buy me 100 packs of Yugio cards!"

 

[Cdr]

The fact of the matter is, she is too young - as is pointed out, at 14 in law, you dont know what you, but at 16 you do. This is the law, its not a case of 'oh how come a 16 year old does and how come a 14 year old doesnt'. That can be debated for years to come - but as it stands at 12 you do NOT have the required mens rea (the thought, or intention) to commit crimes. There have been debates as to whether a 12 year old and younger actually knows right from wrong (the Bulger case is a perfect example of this), but the general thinking is that at 12 you don't.

This is why you commit a crime at 12 you will not be punished.

What people fail to see is the fact that at 12 did you honestly know what copyright was? Did you know what was copyrighted and what the laws governing copyright were? I think you'll find the answer to that is no. I'm sure I'll get the 'Oh I did'.

The truth is regardless of whether you did or not, the law sees you as not being able to.

12 is just too young for any legal action. And would never happen in the UK

And in my final response to teh krypt - you post a message on a public forum, I can read it and will make remarks if the original post is stupid.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Sick read the whole thread and you may realise that they way you have intercepted it is not the way I intended it to be...

Anywho whats the riaa ?

 

[Ash!]

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That's how it links in, wakey wakey son. [/B]

I love it when Mank really gets going. You can hear the Thunder going through his veins from here

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
Yeah, but when they found out all about her? Why not just a slap on the wrists saying "Don't do it again". And then go after the real problem.

well that might be ok in your oppinion, but imo why discriminate against people who are older but not might know just as much as a younger person? its like 12 yr old kids who throw bricks at people but get away with it, because apparently they dont know thats a bad thing to do.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Jesus Christ... nice witch hunt. I bet you would be all calm and collected if you opened a letter with a court order in it, right?

12 - if they sue her good, she'll never go to college/uni whatever.
What right does anyone have to destroy the life of a child? She would also never get a security sensitive job (like bank teller whatever) because the so-called "thievery" would be in her police record.

Do all of you "she fecking deservers it. and yu0r mom 2" no-brains ever finish a line of thought?
12 years old and already a criminal? Where is the justice in that?

Oh, yeah... blame her mom. Mom's are supposed to know everything. Mom's just make mistakes from time to time - like thinking that offer from Kazaa to dl as many songs as she wants for 29.95 - because it's a supposedly legal offer from a legal company. It's not like she was selling crack ffs.

This somehow reminds me of a public hanging... like in the good, old times when the jeering crowds gathered around the gallows. Half of them just as guilty as the guy dancing on the rope... but happy to stand on the other side.

gr8 m8s

 

[tris-]

you are just trying to make it sound bad because she is young, no one has any right to destroy anyones life like you just said, if it happend to a 20yr old then their life would be destroyed too.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Oh dear god cdr, learn to read other peopls posts first. I didn't mean to laugh at the 12 year old at old, I told you tht many times and you still have to continue and can't admit your wrong.

If every post ive made has been stupid then im pritty sure people would ignore them. Ive had lots of nice discuissions then you have come along and flamed in your pathetic way.

 

[Cdr]

I'm sorry, but what does '12 year old = owned' mean if its not laughing at the fact she was caught?

 

[Teh Krypt]

Like I said earlier on, read my first post again.

 

[Ash!]

Originally posted by n3wbie
well that might be ok in your oppinion, but imo why discriminate against people who are older but not might know just as much as a younger person? its like 12 yr old kids who throw bricks at people but get away with it, because apparently they dont know thats a bad thing to do.

n3wbie man chill out. Laws are there to protect people. If it so happens that a child cant be prosecuted for his or her actions then there is a valid reason. Most laws are made on precedent. Basically meaning that everyone agrees suing minors is wrong as they are not entirely responsible for themselves. Whereas a 3 0 year old should know better