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Scouse said:
Putin being worse than Blair is debatable (although, I would side with you). However, I'm a better person than a thief, but if I was brought up in a shit family with all the bullshit that goes along with that then I might be a thief too.

If you want to be wilfully blind of my point then fine. "Other" away, if it makes you feel good.
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It’s not a case of othering. In this conflict Putin is clearly in the wrong on hundreds of counts and ukraine has every right to defend itself.
 
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Wij said:
It’s not a case of othering. In this conflict Putin is clearly in the wrong on hundreds of counts and ukraine has every right to defend itself.
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Yes, yes, yes. Nobody is saying otherwise. It's always "ukraine ukraine ukraine". I get it - I even changed my signature!

I'm not talking about that - clearly. I'm trying to look bigger picture. I can't be any clearer than I have been, and you know that.
 
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Oh I'm sorry @caLLous - he's allowed to call me a twat, whilst deliberately misquoting me, but I can't call him a retard in return?

Putin being worse than Blair is debatable (although, I would side with you).
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There you go.
 
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Whatever. You said "Putin being worse than Blair is debatable". I don't care who you "side with", the fact that you think there are even comparisons to be drawn between them in the first place is batshit insane enough to warrant quoting on its own.
 
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caLLous said:
Whatever. You said "Putin being worse than Blair is debatable". I don't care who you "side with", the fact that you think there are even comparisons to be drawn between them in the first place is batshit insane enough to warrant quoting on its own.
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Bullshit. Blair is an arsehole who took us to war, on a bed of lies, killed half a million people and irradiated a whole country - for oil. 4 points there. All true.

Putin is an arsehole, who's invaded Ukraine, killed a load of people, on the back of lies, for land.

They are directly comparable facts - anything outside of that is just window-dressing. But despite that - I agree that Putin is worse. I said so/changed the sig. But this place is so fucking tribal it's not willing to countenance any ideas that aren't just "fuck putin, he's evil and nobody is like him" - despite thousands of years of evidence that shows Ukraine is just another shitshow, in a long line of shitshows - and everyone on the butthurt side always feels like the oppressor is the worst person ever.

Edit: Answer this please - why is putin invading ukraine on the back of a pack of lies "worse" than us invading Iraq on a pack of lies? - fuckloads of people are dying either way - and that's what matters, right? The dead people?
 
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Dude, you are on here all fucking day, with all this insane shit, paragraph after paragraph of the exact same, over and over. Just take a break for ffs, or deal with whatever it is that is biting your arse atm.
 
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Don't bother PMing me either, because I won't read that either.
 
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What if it’s a dick pic and he’s tattooed a message on the side?
 
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The govt here updated their advice about iodine tablets in case of nuclear fallout and it immediately triggered a run on pharmacies, everything iodine related sold out everywhere, even the dietary supplements that have micrograms so would make little difference
 
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Scouse said:
You don't want a real discussion do you Marc? But I'll do this over PM if you like. I'm not derailing the war porn thread any more than it is.
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I do want a real discussion. I am just a bit perplexed as to some of the stuff you come out with. Especially the way you are trying to condone Russia's behaviour of bombing innocent people by stating "we all act like beasts when under pressure". I am therefore trying to understand what you believe the pressure was that made Russia invade a soverign country and commit warcrimes. The Whatabouttery you come out with doesnt really answer my question
 
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Especially the way you are trying to condone Russia's behaviour
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If you think that I can't help you m8. I can't be any clearer and if that's what you're reading then you've totally missed all my points :(

Have a read of that article m8. I'm looking forward to a bit of Adam Curtis focus on this area. :)
 
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If you think that I can't help you m8. I can't be any clearer and if that's what you're reading then you've totally missed all my points :(

Have a read of that article m8. I'm looking forward to a bit of Adam Curtis focus on this area. :)
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So you’ve dodged my question for a fourth time.

duly noted
 
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Surprised Afghanistan voted in favour. But then I am not well versed in geopolitics
 
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Difficult to unpick exactly what's happening but I would guess that SpaceX has donated quite a lot of equipment and bandwidth, while others have made their own donations. But you also have to consider the bandwidth used - the Ukrainians are apparently using a lot, the Starlink "cloud" isn't anywhere close to completion yet, so that will be affecting the quality of service they can offer to other users.
 
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The whole thing still reeks of there being a catch to Musk's "generosity", which a lot of people suspected there would be, especially after his idiotic tweets last week and that he may have been in direct contact with Putin before making them. The guy's a narcissistic prick.
 
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Scapegoating slightly maybe?

Why doesn't Lockheed provide them with a bunch of shit?

War is extremely profitable.
 
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