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Urban warfare is always a monumental cluster fuck for attackers using armour.
 

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They haven't had much of a reputation for decades, just lots of hubris.

I think that's part of the problem, since Putin and mates have robbed the country blind, no money has been spent on keeping up with the rest of the world, but they need to pretend they are still a power to continue to rob their populous.
 
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On a scale of 1-10 how farcical is the idea that Belarus is acting as a neutral party for peace negotiations
 

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Peace talks are just a smoke screen apparently, Putin sent 400 militants into Ukraine to try and kill Zelensky.
 

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Lots of celebration of what, ultimately, is people killing people.

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So you lobbing a grand in then @Wij?

Always buy during a firesale.
 

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Lots of celebration of what, ultimately, is people killing people.

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True, but only one side in this is the aggressor. Nobody would be killing anyone if Russia wasn't invading. Fuck'um, frankly.
 

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True, but only one side in this is the aggressor. Nobody would be killing anyone if Russia wasn't invading. Fuck'um, frankly.

Putin and his pals aren't the ones getting killed though, its young lads who joined up to be able to survive.
 

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True, but only one side in this is the aggressor. Nobody would be killing anyone if Russia wasn't invading. Fuck'um, frankly.
Monkey see, monkey do.

I could think "fuck 'um" about anyone who joined the armed forces. But we set our world up in a way that makes people think "hey, joining a team of armed monkeys who'll kill on order is a reasonable solution to problem resolution in this day and age".

Doesn't mean that it doesn't fucking stink, intellectually. And you don't have to join in the cheering of death. You can, intellectually, hold the position that it's shit for all involved. Because it is.
 

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Yeah ive been quite uneasy about some of the rhetoric, lots of weird links being shared about donating direct to Ukrainian army, seems super fishy to me (seems like a perfect scam opportunity, emotions are hot, people not checking things as carefully, etc)
 

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Abramovich is part of the peace talk delegation in Belarus apparently. So much for "Guys i'm not really that close to Putin".
 

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'Now, the Kremlin has suggested comments from Foreign Secretary Liz Truss were the reason that Russia put its nuclear forces on heightened alert, according to the Russian news agency Interfax.'

Imagine if Liz Truss was the one who started nuclear war.
 

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Monkey see, monkey do.

I could think "fuck 'um" about anyone who joined the armed forces. But we set our world up in a way that makes people think "hey, joining a team of armed monkeys who'll kill on order is a reasonable solution to problem resolution in this day and age".

Doesn't mean that it doesn't fucking stink, intellectually. And you don't have to join in the cheering of death. You can, intellectually, hold the position that it's shit for all involved. Because it is.

You're such a handwringing pussy sometimes. There are good guys and bad guys in this shitshow, and I have no problem cheering for the good guys. I have no moral conflict about fighting for one's country, and I'm also perfectly aware we've been on the wrong side of history at least twice in the last 20 years (before you inevitably bring it up).

I'd also suggest that there's one group of people who can stop this, and that's the Russians, and if it means a bit of 9mm regime change, I won't shed one fucking tear for Vladimir Putin.
 

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There are good guys and bad guys in this shitshow
I think "shitshow" is the most accurate word in this sentence.

I get where you're coming from - but painting the russian military as "bad guys" is just overly simplistic asshattery and you know it very well.

I'd rather be called a hand-wringing pussy than jump on the sort of pointless jingoistic wagon that humans have used as part of the self-justification for killing each other down through the aeons.

There IS no justification for it. It's because we're fucking dumb fucks as a species. The only solution to this problem is to think a different way about the world - and "fighting for country" and "cheering on the good guys" isn't doing that.
 

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