News US School massacre

[alienx9]

hahah games dont do such violence, if they ban games they have to ban movies . ne they wont ban games , they want the younger generation to b in a virtual world so they can get the ppl defensless n tak away their defence,

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think he's a c*nt tbh - he realises he wont get anything past the NRA so his backup plan is to blame video games as a nice soft target so he can say look I did something!

It's one of many "targets". One of 20 odd something if i remember it correctly. It's not a far fetched idea, but as said, it's good to get an official big answer to it. As long as it's not a biased study etc paranoia whatnot.

What if it's true? I'm desensitized to violence because of movies, games and the internet. I don't know if that makes me more likely to actually BE violent but I suspect it probably does.

If it's true(and above biased whatnot don't apply), then we'll cross that bridge then. PG18 games won't disappear, as porn is still around, but it might lead to more strict screening of games purchasing and online gaming. Which is good to be honest(should do that anyway).

In any case i just hope that we can have an answer one way or other and let the discussion of it die already

 

[rynnor]

It's one of many "targets". One of 20 odd something if i remember it correctly. It's not a far fetched idea, but as said, it's good to get an official big answer to it.

There will never be a final answer on it because of the difficulties analysing the complex behaviour of human beings - people who go on a spree are so rare that they never realistically show up in any study. As to violence its generally linked to your environment - i.e. if your brought up in some downtown shithole where you see people being stabbed or shot regularly then you are more likely to be more violent.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not final, but bigger then random professors, or internet wikiheads

 

[rynnor]

Not final, but bigger then random professors, or internet wikiheads

There have been a ton of studies already though - one more will not be definitive any more than the others were.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Have to wait and see, as said, nothing said about definitive, just that it's a bigger deal hearing it from the CDC then a wikihead or 10 person german study.

 

[rynnor]

hearing it from the CDC

They wont do it - they will just sponsor someone else like most research - I think you are being rather overly dismissive of the previous studies tbh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Even if i would prefer the result to be that games aren't to blame, i'm not going to fanboy it up and take every bit of evidence towards that conclusion as a serious study.

Current status is that there's more studies pro-game, but they are all rather small scale(of what i've read).

Nothing dismissive, just not accepting the first totty to spread her legs.

 

[Wij]

Did anyone see the. .at goddam last...intervieww with the government troops in Syria..they actually listened to...gasp...their opinion of the civil war.
It was quite chilling..an ordinary soldier said...these people are not freedom fighters...they are part of a workd wide jihad movement..and they will be coming for your country next in any way they can.
I just do not understand why we are suporting these frickon looney.religous nutballs.

Actually I've read a couple of articles recently that intimated something similar. Western media is currently obsessed with demonising Assad (he is a cunt to be fair) and totally ignoring the scary nutters in the rebels and any atrocities they are performing. It's vile what is happening in Syria but should we really arm extremist groups?

 

[throdgrain]

Thought you might like to see this.

19/7/12 Home Office Figures

THE CRIMINAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Deaths and injuries caused by the illegal use of guns (excluding airguns.)
1969 - - - - 173
1988 - - - - 410
2008/9 - - - 1,764
2010/11- - - 1,949

THE LEGAL SHOOTER - ENGLAND AND WALES
Certificates for the legal use of guns
1988 - - - - 1,037,400
2008/9 - - - - 713,674
2010/12- - - - 705,516

CRIMES INVOLVING THE USE OF HANDGUNS
1988 - - - - 1,484
1998/9 - - - 2,687
2008/9 - - - 4,275
2010/11- - - 3,105

What did the banning of handguns do for us? Nothing.

 

[dysfunction]

From that it tells me it's getting increasingly easier to get a gun.

It could also be quite a lot worse if guns were easy to get hold of as in the US.

You can't say for sure what state the UK would be like if guns were legal ,unless you have a parallel universe to test it on.

 

[throdgrain]

Yes, an illegal gun, so all the legally held handguns were taken away from people who did nothing wrong, and meanwhile gun crime has rocketed. So how did it help? It clearly didnt.

 

[Job]

As usual theonion nails it

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/

 

[Tuthmes]

Thank god there's hardly any crime involving (illegal) (hand)guns in the USA. This is why I support the right to bare arms in the USA. Clearly its helping vs. crime and such.

 

[ECA]

Yes, an illegal gun, so all the legally held handguns were taken away from people who did nothing wrong, and meanwhile gun crime has rocketed. So how did it help? It clearly didnt.

Yeah gun hobbyists got whacked, but cmon - we have a population 1/6th that of the US, look at how many spree killings we have.
I know it sucks for gun enthusiasts but jebus does it keep the stupid levels down.

If you look at gun ownership 89 guns/100 ( us ) vs 6/100 (uk ) and compare gun deaths:

12,664 murders in the US. Of those,8,583 were caused by firearms. ( 2011 )

As a country we had 551 murders in england/wales in 2011. ( 51 gun deaths ).
So 6x the population, 24x the murder rate, 168x the gun deaths..... ( with 14x the number of guns per capita ).

It's just a lot damn harder for the average person to commit murder when you can't fire and forget.
Gun owners in the US Scare the living crap out of me, more people having guns is generally a bad thingTM.

US gun owners are 43x more likely to shoot a member of their own family than defend themselves against any form of crime :/

 

[soze]

The vast majority of gun deaths in the states are suicides right? It does make me wonder if you are pissed and have a massive argument with your bird if having the easy suicide route in your house makes it more likely? Where as over here you end up falling asleep as you can't be arsed to find a bridge / train. Would be interesting to see the suicide rate compared to ours.

 

[megadave]

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/187610601.html?refer=y

there are definitely some things wrong with gun laws in the US

 

[Billargh]

http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/14/3875420/video-game-violence

Interesting read on the whole video game to real life violence correlation.

 

[Aoami]

So another school shooting in the US. This one had armed guards apparently.

 

[Scouse]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mdZo_keUoEs

 

[Chilly]

So another school shooting in the US. This one had armed guards apparently.

meh, was two guys arguing and shooting each other. not really a "school shooting" more a fight that took place in a school.

 

[Aoami]

meh, was two guys arguing and shooting each other. not really a "school shooting" more a fight that took place in a school.

Yeah i didnt read the article before i posted it, just saw the headlines on twitter

 

[throdgrain]

Just like all the other antis

 

[Cemeterygates]

While I think it's a bit shit that people such as throd don't even have the option anymore, there is no way of telling if it was of benefit anyway. In terms of how many more/if any more incidents like Dunblane it prevented. So ILLEGAL gun crimes are kinda void in that arguement imo.

I think the rise in gun crime is probably down to more and more guns being smuggled into the country, along with the influx of bent immigrants (not saying all are before any xenophobe claims are made, but with immigration you will have some dodgy fuckers among them) and bent soldiers, as from what I can make out that is where they come from, that and replica's being converted.

 

[throdgrain]

While I think it's a bit shit that people such as throd don't even have the option anymore, there is no way of telling if it was of benefit anyway. In terms of how many more/if any more incidents like Dunblane it prevented. So ILLEGAL gun crimes are kinda void in that arguement imo.

I think the rise in gun crime is probably down to more and more guns being smuggled into the country, along with the influx of bent immigrants (not saying all are before any xenophobe claims are made, but with immigration you will have some dodgy fuckers among them) and bent soldiers, as from what I can make out that is where they come from, that and replica's being converted.

I know I've said it a hundred times, but criminals don't give a shit about gun laws. So when you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.

 

[Cemeterygates]

I agree with you on that mate. My point is that you posting statistics about criminals using guns is kinda irrelevant as like I said, there is no way to know if the ban prevented more incidents like what happened at Dunblane (the guy who did it was a legal gun owner, yes?). I think the rise in crimes (although going by the statistics you posted, it dropped by 1100 in the last year/s of them) is due to more coming into the country and replicas being converted and the whole gang mentality seen in London, as just one example.

I'm not anti-gun btw.

 

[throdgrain]

I agree with the latter half of your post, however to say the statistics are irrelevant does my head in. We're not allowed to own handguns, for sport or self defence, because of a law that has made no difference to gun crime, despite the government telling us that that was exactly why they were introducing it. It's just rediculous. Mean while criminals get hold of more and more guns.

 

[Cemeterygates]

I thought it was more a prevention of a repeat of Dunblane? It was a legal gun owner that did that, wasn't it? Not a bank robber or ganster.

Edit: I get why you don't like the ban, as you are enthusiastic about guns, but what else were they to do? Memeber of a gun club must leave weapon at said club and remove firing pin to take home and store with ammo? I dunno. Right or wrong I can understand why they did it.

 

[throdgrain]

I thought it was more a prevention of a repeat of Dunblane? It was a legal gun owner that did that, wasn't it? Not a bank robber or ganster.

Edit: I get why you don't like the ban, as you are enthusiastic about guns, but what else were they to do? Memeber of a gun club must leave weapon at said club and remove firing pin to take home and store with ammo? I dunno. Right or wrong I can understand why they did it.

It's just a gun. If you worked on statistics cars would be banned far quicker than guns. There's hundreds of thousands of shotguns in peoples homes right this minute tonight. There's two sitting next to me right now. No-ones going to die.

But shit does happen. I don't believe you can legislate against it.

Unfortunately in this politically correct health and safety world we live in, loads of self righteous do-gooders think you can. And the public, so desperate to feel "safe", will vote for anything they can to save thier poor skinny asses.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

 

[Job]

No ones going to die..unless a burgular breaks in or you develop clinical depression...having a hair trigger to eternity makes it thousands of times.more likely you would use it to end suicidal thoughts