Politics US Election 2020

[Wij]

Ugh. Why people thought Snowden was in any way decent is beyond me:


View: https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/1347242682737975305

 

[Job]

The most clear and shocking vid of the capitol shooting.

Poss nsfl.

 

[Deebs]

The most clear and shocking vid of the capitol shooting.

Poss nsfl.

You have been warned about posting stuff like this on FH. The woman would not have been killed if she followed the law.

 

[Scouse]

You have been warned about posting stuff like this on FH. The woman would not have been killed if she followed the law.

Your second statement kinda makes me want to watch it. Even law-breakers shouldn't be getting shot unless they're presenting a clear and present danger to life.

Could it be spoilered properly and given a proper warning (i.e. - shooting involving a fatality)?

I know @Job's a massive knob-jockey and wouldn't take the time to do that so absolutely behind you removing it.

 

[Yoni]

Sorry but that is what is wrong with the human race today... why the fuck would you want to watch someone getting shot? There are other places to go and watch that kind of shit.

 

[Deebs]

Your second statement kinda makes me want to watch it. Even law-breakers shouldn't be getting shot unless they're presenting a clear and present danger to life.

Could it be spoilered properly and given a proper warning (i.e. - shooting involving a fatality)?

I know @Job's a massive knob-jockey and wouldn't take the time to do that so absolutely behind you removing it.

You can google it. It has no place on here. Period.

I stated I have URLs of it and if anyone wanted to see it they could have PMed me. This place is not a tRump reddit.

 

[Embattle]

It is sad she died but then she and others shouldn't of been in the building at all, this is the seat of the US Government. The police showed incredible restraint but my understanding is armed officers were barricaded in areas where senators, Congress and staffers were located or being evacuated from and quite simply going through that barricade was sadly only going to result in one outcome.

 

[Scouse]

Sorry but that is what is wrong with the human race today... why the fuck would you want to watch someone getting shot? There are other places to go and watch that kind of shit.

I don't particularly. I've only ever seen one video where someone got killed and I wasn't at all happy that the person who posted it didn't clearly state that. It's not something that enriched my life and I found it upsetting (as any reasonable person would).

However, when @Deebs made the blanket statement of "if she hadn't broken the law she'd be alive" it made me think things aren't that simple. Lots of people break the law and we don't kill them for it. So I wanted to have the option of making my own judgement on whether reasonable force was applied.

As I stated - lawbreaking doesn't equal getting shot - and that applies equally to protesters storming the capitol building as it does to black lives matter rioters.

armed officers were barricaded in areas where senators, Congress and staffers were located or being evacuated from and quite simply going through that barricade was sadly only going to result in one outcome

That's a good reason to not arm the police. In the UK that would have likely resulted in tear gas and severe baton beatings - not shooting at protestors.


Having said that I'm not going to ask Deebs for the URLS (and I'm certainly not going to try to figure out google search terms for them).

 

[Embattle]

I don't particularly. I've only ever seen one video where someone got killed and I wasn't at all happy that the person who posted it didn't clearly state that. It's not something that enriched my life and I found it upsetting (as any reasonable person would).

However, when @Deebs made the blanket statement of "if she hadn't broken the law she'd be alive" it made me think things aren't that simple. Lots of people break the law and we don't kill them for it. So I wanted to have the option of making my own judgement on whether reasonable force was applied.

As I stated - lawbreaking doesn't equal getting shot - and that applies equally to protesters storming the capitol building as it does to black lives matter rioters.




That's a good reason to not arm the police. In the UK that would have likely resulted in tear gas and severe baton beatings - not shooting at protestors.


Having said that I'm not going to ask Deebs for the URLS (and I'm certainly not going to try to figure out google search terms for them).

2nd amendment.

Plus I suspect you'd find little difference if the houses of parliament was attacked under the same kind of scenario since the police there are armed as well (Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection).

 

[Job]

Jesus h.
Its been posted on loads of mainstream sites, many liberal articles have been written about it.
A major event in American history and you dont even want to see the shocking context of it.

This video is going to cement the divide in America.
I posted it was nsfl.

Its funny that no one is talking about the three people that died of medical issues..wtf?

 

[Tay]

"Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said Donald Trump has been blocked from using Facebook and Instagram "indefinitely and at least for the next two weeks"

wtf Zuckerberg's idea of Indefinitely is at least 2 weeks what planet does he live on.

 

[Scouse]

A major event in American history and you dont even want to see the shocking context of it.

Even someone like you must understand watching people actually get shot isn't something everyone wants to do.

You might have got away with it if you'd spoilered it and shown the slightest comprehension of this. NSFW is for tit pics, not human death.

 

[Scouse]

This shit, from Biden, is a load of crap.

They were protestors - not fucking terrorists. And I'm disgusted by their attempts to label them as such.

 

[Jupitus]

Jesus h.
Its been posted on loads of mainstream sites, many liberal articles have been written about it.
A major event in American history and you dont even want to see the shocking context of it.

This video is going to cement the divide in America.
I posted it was nsfl.

Its funny that no one is talking about the three people that died of medical issues..wtf?

Don't like the rules? Easy answer to that - cunt the fuck off.

 

[Wij]

Several groups of extremists stormed the Capitol on Wednesday. Here are some of the most notable individuals, symbols, and groups.

Symbols of hate groups and conspiracy theories abounded during the siege on the US Capitol on Wednesday.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Scouse]

Several groups of extremists stormed the Capitol on Wednesday. Here are some of the most notable individuals, symbols, and groups.

Symbols of hate groups and conspiracy theories abounded during the siege on the US Capitol on Wednesday.

www.businessinsider.com

I'm loving the Black Hebrew Israelites! WTF!

I also quite like the "kekistan" flag. Never seen it before

 

[Aoami]

Kekistan is very 2015

 

[caLLous]

This shit, from Biden, is a load of crap.

They were protestors - not fucking terrorists. And I'm disgusted by their attempts to label them as such.

Protestors stand around chanting about shit - they don't enter a government building by force, cause extensive damage and terrorise its occupants.

 

[Raven]

...and leave pipe bombs.

 

[Gwadien]

That's a good reason to not arm the police. In the UK that would have likely resulted in tear gas and severe baton beatings - not shooting at protestors.

I disagree.

The police wouldn't have used tear gas in the building near the people they were protecting.

Using batons etc is a stupid idea because it breaks out into a brawl.

If you watch the video they instantly stop being twats.

Now my question is, why didn't they shoot to miss first as a warning?

 

[SilverHood]

You all seem to forgetting that this is America. The consequence for getting caught breaking the law is a trial, plea deal or dismissal, IF you survive the encounter with the police. It's like they thought that the rules didn't apply to them because they were Trump supporters. If this had been BLM protesters, they'd have been gunned down long before it ever got to this point, and the maga hat wearing Trump fans would be cheering on the sidelines.

As for protesting vs terrorism... those people inside looked pretty terrorized. Police showed massive restraint in not shooting more of them.

 

[DaGaffer]

"Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said Donald Trump has been blocked from using Facebook and Instagram "indefinitely and at least for the next two weeks"

wtf Zuckerberg's idea of Indefinitely is at least 2 weeks what planet does he live on.

Two weeks takes us past the end of Trump's term, which is why it was relevant.

 

[Scouse]

Protestors stand around chanting about shit - they don't enter a government building by force, cause extensive damage and terrorise its occupants.

That is a load of crap and you know it. Protests often turn violent, have done throughout history.

That doesn't invalidate them as a protest.

 

[Yoni]

No it is not completely- some of them were indeed protesting for sure, however those who planted bombs, carried guns and "terrorised" the inhabitants of the Capitol were indeed terrorists and would have been labled as such in any western country. They were there with the prime objected to destroy property and if possible a few politicians.

It has been said several times now that if that had been a group of non white americans then there would have been a lot of blood on the steps - not inside as they would not have made it that far. Looking back to the BLM protests in the summer - I did not see a lot of gun wielding in the protests.... what I did see was at times unecessary force from the police ... not something that I saw much of whilst watching the events of Wednesday... It was a travesty that there was a fatal shooting, however I am not sure what else those rampaging through the Capitol would have expected. It is a miracle that this was the only shooting.

 

[Yoni]

View: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1347273610268966915?s=20

 

[Yoni]

Somthing a little fishy going on here

 

[Deebs]

I don't particularly. I've only ever seen one video where someone got killed and I wasn't at all happy that the person who posted it didn't clearly state that. It's not something that enriched my life and I found it upsetting (as any reasonable person would).

However, when @Deebs made the blanket statement of "if she hadn't broken the law she'd be alive" it made me think things aren't that simple. Lots of people break the law and we don't kill them for it. So I wanted to have the option of making my own judgement on whether reasonable force was applied.

Having said that I'm not going to ask Deebs for the URLS (and I'm certainly not going to try to figure out google search terms for them).

She was with a mob attempting to storm barricaded doors, they broke the windows and she then attempted to breach the window. She was shot. There was a single guy on the other side most probably soiling his pants. He was fearful for his life.

I say again, if she was not part of the mob she would not be dead. Everyone knows that most American Police will respond with deadly force when confronted.

I feel more for the dead cop.

 

[Overdriven]

I actually have to agree with @Deebs on this one. I'm completely shocked only 4 people were killed in the raid considering it's terrorism. I'm REALLY shocked more people weren't actually shot considering it was a government facility. If the people breaking in weren't white I can imagine the fatality list would have been higher.

 

[Deebs]

I actually have to agree with @Deebs on this one. I'm completely shocked only 4 people were killed in the raid considering it's terrorism. I'm REALLY shocked more people weren't actually shot considering it was a government facility. If the people breaking in weren't white I can imagine the fatality list would have been higher.

It is 5 now. A cop has died.

 

[Job]

I dont have the slightest problem with her being shot...it was idiotic to carry on, no doubt fuelled by the 'Im in first' lunacy that a lot of people have.
She does have some history of reckless endangerment as well, though found not guilty.

Ashli Babbitt previously accused of 'reckless endangerment' & given peace order

THE woman killed at the US Capitol had previously been accused in court of reckless endangerment and malicious destruction of property, The Sun can reveal. Ashli Babbitt was seen in a graphic …

www.google.com

Still...it felt like a bit of an execution, probably because she was a woman.