United States Corrupt Twattery

[BloodOmen]

Arguing with Trump supporters on X last night because I couldn't sleep. They really are fucking brain dead. The below picture is basically how it went.

Typical responses from them were:

"NATO SHOULD HAVE HELPED US BOMB IRAN!"
"NATO NEVER HELPED US BEFORE" - This one I found funny because they were enraged when I mentioned 9/11 and the fact Article 5 was triggered within NATO as a response to it.
"NATO ARE MUSLIM TRAITORS!"

Just..... total fucking cult.

 

[Gwadien]

We'll get to see how it pans out won't we. We'll get time to find out if the world falls apart over the next 20 years or whether half the population is mildly hysterical. Suffice it to say I don't share your pessimism.

Weird tho. I'm not normally the optimistic one.


All those with a desire to censor say that. All have been palpably wrong.

Ever considered that you're being hysterical?

The conclusion I've got from your past few posts is that we should be shunning traditional European politics and adopting MAGA?

Because for all the bad Trump does, pesky Europeans do 100x worse.

 

[Scouse]

Ever considered that you're being hysterical?

The guy who's saying "hey wait - the world isn't falling apart people - calm down!"??

 

[Scouse]

Because for all the bad Trump does, pesky Europeans do 100x worse.

America isn't locking up thousands of people for sitting down peacefully, silently, expressing opinions.

America isn't arresting tens of thousands of people a year for writing things.

 

[Raven]

10s of people, and for things like "calling for hotels to be burned down" with people in them.

 

[Scouse]

10s of people, and for things like "calling for hotels to be burned down" with people in them.

Already posted the data. We're arresting more than 12000 people a year for posts.

Nothing about the thousands we locked up using terrorism legislation for sitting down holding bits of cardboard up?

 

[caLLous]

We'll get to see how it pans out won't we. We'll get time to find out if the world falls apart over the next 20 years or whether half the population is mildly hysterical. Suffice it to say I don't share your pessimism.

Weird tho. I'm not normally the optimistic one.


All those with a desire to censor say that. All have been palpably wrong.

It's not optimism, it's wilful ignorance because of your weird blind spot for Trump, your hatred of the left and your both-sidesing that you employ to deflect away from how awful Trump and his admin are...

Trump Is Dismantling US Democracy at a Speed 'Unprecedented in Modern History': Watchdog | Common Dreams

V-Dem report: Trump administration rapidly dismantling US democracy, concentrating powers in presidency, undermining checks and balances.

www.commondreams.org

“Our data on the USA goes back to 1789,” he said. “What we’re seeing now is the most severe magnitude of democratic backsliding ever in the country.”

He also said that other authoritarian leaders have taken much more time in ripping down their states’ democratic institutions than Trump has.

“For Orbán in Hungary, it took about four years,” Lindberg said, “for Vučić in Serbia, it took eight years, and for Erdoğan in Turkey and Modi in India, it took about 10 years to accomplish the suppression of democratic institutions that Trump has achieved in only one year.”

 

[Deebs]

tRump is a WMD which is armed and getting ready to go off.

 

[DaGaffer]

Already posted the data. We're arresting more than 12000 people a year for posts.

Nothing about the thousands we locked up using terrorism legislation for sitting down holding bits of cardboard up?

Arrests ≠ convictions.

Total number of convictions under the Malicious Communications Act is around 15-20% of arrests and total custodial sentences is about 5-10% of that. There are about 100 custodial sentences a year.

As with so much noise generated by the US/Russian alt-right, there's ongoing obfuscation of data; same with knife crime; in the US every knife crime is a stabbing, in the UK most knife crime is actually possession of a knife, and the US knife crime rate is still much higher than the UK. Same with crimes committed by Muslims, crimes committed by migrants, and on and on.

If you incite people to murder, it's not free speech, it's incitement to murder. Actions have consequences.

NB. There are approx. 5.1 billion social media posts made by UK citizens per year; 12,000 is 0.000235%

 

[Scouse]

Arrests ≠ convictions.

Yeah. You know what I want to say about that.

I'd respond to the rest of your post but I'd already posted everything that needs to be said on it:

The only way it can work is as a principle. A horribly messy unnassailable principle.

The word "only" in that sentence is the important one.