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Link to statement?
Basically hes started an official probe and said 'I dont want to preempt..but'..., which means thats exactly whats going to happen.

Heres the Guards pathetic liberal spin on it...including fears of far right violence...blah..blah..blah.
Sadiq Khan orders review of all London statues for slavery links

Of course they left out the lgbt bit because they knew that was a bit too far down the rabbit hole for their readers.
https://www.newsweek.com/racism-sadiq-khan-mayor-london-statues-1509613
 
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Basically hes started an official probe and said 'I dont want to preempt..but'..., which means thats exactly whats going to happen.

Heres the Guards pathetic liberal spin on it...including fears of far right violence...blah..blah..blah.
Sadiq Khan orders review of all London statues for slavery links

Of course they left out the lgbt bit because they knew that was a bit too far down the rabbit hole for their readers.
https://www.newsweek.com/racism-sadiq-khan-mayor-london-statues-1509613

K, I've just read those links you put in there but couldn't find the bit where it says that "regardless of any ongoing official debate any statue connected in anyway the moral police see fit should be replaced by minorities or lgbt."

Could you point it out to me, please?
 

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K, I've just read those links you put in there but couldn't find the bit where it says that "regardless of any ongoing official debate any statue connected in anyway the moral police see fit should be replaced by minorities or lgbt."

Could you point it out to me, please?
That would require understanding the universe.
 

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That would require understanding the universe.
Not really.

You stated:
Hes just announced that regardless of any ongoing official debate any statue connected in anyway the moral police see fit should be replaced by minorities or lgbt.

and then posted two links which presumably you believe give evidence to that statement, neither of which actually do.

So pretty much what I'm understanding is you're either completely deluded or being deliberately obtuse. Either way, once added to the mountain of previous evidence, you're a fucking idiot.
 

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The only bit not in those links is my personal injection of comedic weariness at moral police....but you know that and its all you have to come back with, a personal insult so you can hide from a discussion and use it to feel better about yourself.
He opened an enquiry..hes said he doesnt want to prempt it...but went on to say it should be lbgt or some other minorities.
 

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Its so they cant be stolen and used as ramraids.
 

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Bruce Gordon, spokesperson for the Minneapolis Department of Public Safety, said in a statement that slashing tyres was “not a typical tactic” while adding: “Vehicles were being used as dangerous weapons and inhibited our ability to clear areas and keep areas safe where violent protests were occurring.”
You'd think step 1 of stopping vehicles from inhibiting your ability to clear areas would be not immobilising them.
Its so they cant be stolen and used as ramraids.
Incredibly, you've once again landed on the "cunt" side of the discussion. How do you keep doing it?!
 

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So BLMUK are crowdfunding.

Farage calls them a marxist political movement hijacking the black cause.
The sheep laugh.
Heres their mission statement...

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

UKBLM FUND organized by UKBLM Fund
 

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You'd think step 1 of stopping vehicles from inhibiting your ability to clear areas would be not immobilising them.

Incredibly, you've once again landed on the "cunt" side of the discussion. How do you keep doing it?!
The cunt side of the argument is akways the one that isnt some ridiculous, simplistic gut reaction to out of context video designed to produce rage in people who dont think it through.

Oh no..youre right, they dont like cars..or tyres...maybe its the model, or some new training with knives.
 

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The cunt side of the argument is akways the one that isnt some ridiculous, simplistic gut reaction to out of context video designed to produce rage in people who dont think it through.

Oh no..youre right, they dont like cars..or tyres...maybe its the model, or some new training with knives.
The video wasn't out of context, 2 police forces have released statements saying that they did it and trying to justify it.

I don't give a flying fuck what their opinion of cars is, who is going to pay for the damage? If they were all in a car park had it occurred to them to block the entrance instead of wantonly causing thousands of dollars worth of damage?
 

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Isn't it criminal damage anyway? I cannot believe there is a law that says during civil unrest you are lawfully allowed to slash tyres?
 

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Well actually I can, but if not ,theyre probably going to get smashed to bits by leftist anarchists anyway.
 

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Its so they cant be stolen and used as ramraids.

They were in a fucking carpark. Were the police slashing tyres of every car in Minneapolis then? Maybe they should just nuke the place from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
 

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Isn't it criminal damage anyway? I cannot believe there is a law that says during civil unrest you are lawfully allowed to slash tyres?
This is well worth a watch re: whether the police should have to pay compensation for damage they cause:

tl;dw: the police damaged a family's home to the point of it being uninhabitable (it was subsequently demolished) because a suspect was holed up inside. The family took them to court, it was dismissed, they then went to the Appellate court where they lost.

In short, good fucking luck getting them to cover the cost of all those slashed tyres.

Edit: Police blew up an innocent man’s house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules.
When they were finished, it looked as though the Greenwood Village, Colo., police had blasted rockets through the house.

Projectiles were still lodged in the walls. Glass and wooden paneling crumbled on the ground below the gaping holes, and inside, the family’s belongings and furniture appeared thrashed in a heap of insulation and drywall. Leo Lech, who rented the home to his son, thought it looked like al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden’s compound after the raid that killed him.

But now it was just a neighborhood crime scene, the suburban home where an armed Walmart shoplifting suspect randomly barricaded himself after fleeing the store on a June afternoon in 2015. For 19 hours, the suspect holed up in a bathroom as a SWAT team fired gas munition and 40-millimeter rounds through the windows, drove an armored vehicle through the doors, tossed flash-bang grenades inside and used explosives to blow out the walls.

The suspect was captured alive, but the home was utterly destroyed, eventually condemned by the City of Greenwood Village.

That left Leo Lech’s son, John Lech — who lived there with his girlfriend and her 9-year-old son — without a home. The city refused to compensate the Lech family for their losses but offered $5,000 in temporary rental assistance and for the insurance deductible.

Now, after the Leches sued, a federal appeals court has decided what else the city owes the Lech family for destroying their house more than four years ago: nothing.

On Tuesday, a three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit unanimously ruled that the city is not required to compensate the Lech family for their lost home because it was destroyed by police while they were trying to enforce the law, rather than taken by eminent domain.

The Lechs had sued under the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause, which guarantees citizens compensation if their property is seized by the government for public use. But the court said that Greenwood Village was acting within its “police power” when it damaged the house, which the court said doesn’t qualify as a “taking” under the Fifth Amendment. The court acknowledged that this may seem “unfair,” but when police have to protect the public, they can’t be “burdened with the condition” that they compensate whomever is damaged by their actions along the way.

“It just goes to show that they can blow up your house, throw you out on the streets and say, ‘See you later. Deal with it,’ ” Leo Lech said in an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday. “What happened to us should never happen in this country, ever.”

Leo Lech said he is considering appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court. Police must be forced to draw the line at some point, he said — preferably before a house is gutted — and be held accountable if innocent bystanders lose everything as a result of the actions of law enforcement.

In a statement to The Post, a spokeswoman for Greenwood Village said the city never refused to help the Lechs, saying the family was “very well insured” and refused the $5,000 assistance for out-of-pocket expenses before insurance kicked in. The spokeswoman, Melissa Gallegos, applauded the 10th Circuit’s ruling.

“The house was being used as a barricade, and the damage done to it was to remove the barricade and get the gunman out without any loss of life," Gallegos said. "That is not a use of another’s property under eminent domain, but a use of another’s property during a police emergency.”

In June 2015, the standoff at Lech’s suburban Denver home captivated and alarmed the public, as their house at the end of the street, one located by a baseball field complex and a park, suddenly turned into a quasi-war zone.

The suspect, Robert Jonathan Seacat, had stolen a shirt and a couple of belts from a Walmart in neighboring Aurora, Colo., and then fled in a Lexus, according to a police affidavit. A police officer pursued him in a high-speed chase until Seacat parked his car near a light rail station, hopped a nearby fence leading to the interstate, and then crossed five lanes of traffic on foot. He climbed the fence on the other side — and then, shortly thereafter, came upon the Lech residence.

A 9-year-old boy, John Lech’s girlfriend’s son, was home alone at the time, waiting for his mom to return from the grocery store, Lech said. He told police he was watching YouTube videos in his room when he heard the alarm trip, according to the affidavit. He emerged to find a man walking up the stairs, holding a gun. “He said, ‘I don’t want to hurt anybody. I just want to get away,' " Lech said. Minutes later, the boy walked out of the house unharmed.

Seacat then began searching the house for car keys. But by the time he got in the car parked in Lech’s garage, police had pulled into the driveway. Seacat fired a shot at them through the garage, the affidavit says.

Thus began the 19-hour standoff.

“They proceed to destroy the house — room by room, by room, by room,” Lech said. “This is one guy with a handgun. This guy was sleeping. This guy was eating. This guy was just hanging out in this house. I mean, they proceeded to blow up the entire house.”

SWAT officers attempted to enter the home on one occasion but retreated after believing they heard Seacat fire several rounds. After other tactics, including tear gas, robots and police negotiations, repeatedly failed, SWAT officers tried again to enter the home at 8:21 the next morning. They found him holed up in a bathroom with a stash of drugs, where he was disarmed and arrested.

When the Lech family was allowed back on the property to retrieve their belongings, they were aghast at what they found.

John Lech, his girlfriend and her son moved in with Leo Lech and his wife, who lived 30 miles away, requiring John to change jobs. The $5,000 offered by the city “was insulting,” Leo Lech said.

His expenses to rebuild the house and replace all its contents cost him nearly $400,000, he said. While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter’s insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home’s contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out.

“This has ruined our lives,” he said.

Gallegos stressed that any large expenses Lech incurred are because he chose to do more than necessary, and chose to “repour the foundation that wasn’t damaged, and [build] a bigger better house where the old one stood.” Lech insisted starting from scratch was necessary.

Previously, police have defended their actions during the standoff.

“My mission is to get that individual out unharmed and make sure my team and everyone else around including the community goes home unharmed,” Greenwood Village Police Commander Dustin Varney said in 2015, KUSA reported. “Sometimes that means property gets damaged, and I am sorry for that.”

State and federal courts have ruled differently in cases involving innocent homeowners caught in deadly police raids, although the 10th Circuit was more persuaded by courts ruling in police’s favor.

Lech’s lawyers pointed to a 1991 Minnesota case in which the state Supreme Court sided with a woman whose house was damaged by police with tear gas as they sought to apprehend a suspect. In a 1980 Houston case, the Texas Supreme Court sided with a couple whose home was badly damaged as police sought to apprehend three suspects who barricaded themselves inside.

In that case, the Texas court turned up its nose at the principle the 10th Circuit stuck to so closely in its ruling: that unless a government’s action is clearly labeled “eminent domain,” citizens aren’t entitled to compensation if the police destroy their property as a matter of business.

“This court has moved beyond the earlier notion that the government’s duty to pay for taking property rights is excused by labeling the taking as an exercise of police powers,” the Texas court wrote at the time.

Today, the Leches’ Greenwood Village home has been rebuilt. Lech says he is dipping into his 401(k) to afford the legal battle but intends to continue as long as he is able. He says he thinks he has too much bad luck to make it to the Supreme Court but believes that someone else like him will get there.

“This can’t go on in this country,” he said. “There has to be a limit. There has to be accountability.”
 
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This is well worth a watch re: whether the police should have to pay compensation for damage they cause:

tl;dw: the police damaged a family's home to the point of it being uninhabitable (it was subsequently demolished) because a suspect was holed up inside. The family took them to court, it was dismissed, they then went to the Appellate court where they lost.

In short, good fucking luck getting them to cover the cost of all those slashed tyres.

Edit: Police blew up an innocent man’s house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules.

Jesus, tell me that cannot happen here?!?!
 

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Jesus, tell me that cannot happen here?!?!

Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme covers property damage. In other words, the police have insurance too. Which is what is so insane about the US; they can buy tanks but not insurance?
 

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So the usual Ive looked at wiki to find something clever and no response to blmuk wantibg to overturn capatilism.

Bit uncomfortable I guess.
 

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So theyve cancelled Cops for glorifying police brutality...but somehow The Hood and countless other tv shows glorifying black gangsta culture is just fine.
Clown world.
 

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Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme covers property damage. In other words, the police have insurance too. Which is what is so insane about the US; they can buy tanks but not insurance?
Yeh it is crazy, so much money and they spend it on war machinery and fucking shit useless walls.
 

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As of 21.39 Wednesday night, theyve pulled Little Britain, fly with me, League of gentlemen, gone with the wind.
By thursday morning Im expecting it will include all black comedians saying ni88er, Mrs Doubtfire, Magic Roundabout and Friends.
 

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