United States Corrupt Twattery

[Wij]

So. you're not allowed to have a theory now if it doesn't match the latest trend.

Sure. Siding with Saudi on women’s rights is fine. Go for your life m8.

 

[Job]

Segregrating women and men is just culture...we only stopped doing it ourselves last week, so its pretty rich coming from the lectures of the converted.
This guy has a theory to support it...weve had many of those ourselves in the past.

 

[Job]

Women are still fighting for equality in Britain, the IOM gave women votes in 1881, the rest of the UK waited till 1918, we are asking Saudi arabia to change on the spot.

 

[caLLous]

Not jailing women for being raped would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Gwadien]

I kinda agree with Job though, it's very easy to sit here and tell them to change immediately.

However, you then go criticise Islam which causes them to look inwards, not outwards.

That's where the logic doesn't compute

 

[DaGaffer]

I kinda agree with Job though, it's very easy to sit here and tell them to change immediately.

However, you then go criticise Islam which causes them to look inwards, not outwards.

That's where the logic doesn't compute

But it’s not “change immediately” the west and a large part of the Arab world, has been critical of Saudi laws around women for decades.

 

[Gwadien]

But it’s not “change immediately” the west and a large part of the Arab world, has been critical of Saudi laws around women for decades.

And the Western world engaged in activities which the Muslim world questioned for hundreds of years.

Think about all the countries the West are engaged in some form or another which are Muslim countries compared to that are not.

Islam is an enemy of the West, and it's accepted that they need to become liberalised to sort them, but so long as we continue to bomb them, I can't see how we can expect them to change their ways and attitudes.

Believe it or not many Muslims do come to the UK and see what we're actually talking about and accept it.

We sit here here on our computers and iPhones not understanding why a bunch of stone age dudes in the Afghan highlands are hating on us when the only source of information they get about the West is by seeing soldiers on their streets or the Taliban telling them what happens in the West.

 

[Job]

I criticise Islam because it should have no power over here, religious freedom is simply the right to be in a gang.
What they do in their own country is completely up to them, but you come to Britain and you drop your religion at the door, I utterly reject the idea that I have to respect it.

 

[DaGaffer]

And the Western world engaged in activities which the Muslim world questioned for hundreds of years.

Think about all the countries the West are engaged in some form or another which are Muslim countries compared to that are not.

Islam is an enemy of the West, and it's accepted that they need to become liberalised to sort them, but so long as we continue to bomb them, I can't see how we can expect them to change their ways and attitudes.

Believe it or not many Muslims do come to the UK and see what we're actually talking about and accept it.

We sit here here on our computers and iPhones not understanding why a bunch of stone age dudes in the Afghan highlands are hating on us when the only source of information they get about the West is by seeing soldiers on their streets or the Taliban telling them what happens in the West.

Cultural relativism. It’s bollocks and even most Muslims know that keeping women as a permanent underclass is a bad idea. Most of the Islamic world had been liberalising for decades and specifically because of Saudi Arabia spending fortunes to export their medieval bullshit things have started to go backwards. The Saudi regime are unoquivocally bad people; don’t make excuses for them.

 

[Moriath]

I see Ed Balls is doing a TV series called Trumps America, where he meets the stereotrypical rednecks and points fun at them without them realising.
Of course half the country voted Trump..but all there is in the trailer is wrestling, rodeos and monster trucks.

Not actually. In the program there are lots from all places. But believe all you see in the trailer

 

[Moriath]

Lol the biggest problem during apertheid was black people trying to get into SA to enjoy the better lifestyle and safety the country offered.
They had to build a fence around the place to stop illegal immigration.

Erm. Millions of blacks lived in ZA. Not trying to get in. They lived in townships and had to work in the rich areas in the shit jobs. The white police would go into the townships and shot people and beat them up.

It wasnt about Zimbabwe or other blacks trying to get into the country.

 

[Gwadien]

Cultural relativism. It’s bollocks and even most Muslims know that keeping women as a permanent underclass is a bad idea. Most of the Islamic world had been liberalising for decades and specifically because of Saudi Arabia spending fortunes to export their medieval bullshit things have started to go backwards. The Saudi regime are unoquivocally bad people; don’t make excuses for them.

Absolutely.

I'm not making excuses for them, but you need to think about how they're getting their power - people = power, you need the people in order to hold onto that power.

The way that Saudi Arabia and MANY other muslim countries have gone about this is by saying 'Oh look, the West is evil and corrupt and they hate us, therefore we need to unite under a global banner of jihad to counter them'

Even if you had Goebbels at the helm I don't think baseless propaganda would even help them a great deal, it's all look at what's happening across the Muslim world; Western powers blowing them up or making money out of blowing them up.

Look at Russia, the Syrians are going bat shit cray over the role Russia is playing, and the west is looking on shaking their head saying too many civilians lol!

We didn't see much up roar from our media when we were doing it to countless other countries.

I'm not defending 'Islam', I'm not suggesting that we should roll over and play dead, but we're presenting this 'fight' as if it's a moral crusade, and if that's the case we need to take the moral high ground. Hearts & minds fam.

 

[Job]

Erm. Millions of blacks lived in ZA. Not trying to get in. They lived in townships and had to work in the rich areas in the shit jobs. The white police would go into the townships and shot people and beat them up.

It wasnt about Zimbabwe or other blacks trying to get into the country.

Yes, for no reason they would just drive around beating people up, bored coppers wandering around with baseball bats.
The reality is at the time Africa was such a bad place to live for most black people, that the relative safety and civilisation of SA was a big draw and the fact they made you get on your own bus wasnt even an issue.

 

[Job]

Absolutely.

I'm not making excuses for them, but you need to think about how they're getting their power - people = power, you need the people in order to hold onto that power.

The way that Saudi Arabia and MANY other muslim countries have gone about this is by saying 'Oh look, the West is evil and corrupt and they hate us, therefore we need to unite under a global banner of jihad to counter them'

Even if you had Goebbels at the helm I don't think baseless propaganda would even help them a great deal, it's all look at what's happening across the Muslim world; Western powers blowing them up or making money out of blowing them up.

Look at Russia, the Syrians are going bat shit cray over the role Russia is playing, and the west is looking on shaking their head saying too many civilians lol!

We didn't see much up roar from our media when we were doing it to countless other countries.

I'm not defending 'Islam', I'm not suggesting that we should roll over and play dead, but we're presenting this 'fight' as if it's a moral crusade, and if that's the case we need to take the moral high ground. Hearts & minds fam.

The entire Muslim world modernised in the 70s, but the conservatives pulled it back even further the other way, because of the hedonism and lack of values that you see in the west.
Iran went from ultra conservative Islam to hard core pornography, miniskirts and single mums practically overnight...no wonder it swung back and attacked the west.

 

[Ormorof]

And think of how much better it would have been if it was safe AND apartheid wasnt a thing...

The fact that we are even discussing defending apartheid as not even an issue vs other problems seems a little absurd

 

[Gwadien]

The entire Muslim world modernised in the 70s, but the conservatives pulled it back even further the other way, because of the hedonism and lack of values that you see in the west.
Iran went from ultra conservative Islam to hard core pornography, miniskirts and single mums practically overnight...no wonder it swung back and attacked the west.

Case and point.

Islam was the only unifying means so it makes logical sense that that's the weeapon you use against the West.

 

[Moriath]

Yes, for no reason they would just drive around beating people up, bored coppers wandering around with baseball bats.
The reality is at the time Africa was such a bad place to live for most black people, that the relative safety and civilisation of SA was a big draw and the fact they made you get on your own bus wasnt even an issue.

Ok there was a whole load of people putdown and discriminated against so they would be unhappy. Civil unrest happened. And the white over lords were scared they would lose their position so they sent in police to beat the shit outof the blacks.

Quote,

During the war for independence in the 1970s and 1980s, Zimbabwe also experienced its first major refugee outflow to neighbouring countries although few went to apartheid South Africa.


http://samponline.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Acrobat59.pdf

 

[Job]

Ha..because SA had a giant fence and lots of border guards.

 

[Moriath]

Ha..because SA had a giant fence and lots of border guards.

So your assertation that there was huge black migration to ZA was wrong.

 

[Job]

Er?
Read my post..people trying to get into SA was a problem..thats why they had such a strong border.
There was certainly no one leaving because it was such a bad place to live.

 

[Moriath]

Er?
Read my post..people trying to get into SA was a problem..thats why they had such a strong border.
There was certainly no one leaving because it was such a bad place to live.

No blacks wanted to goto ZA because of apartheid. Not just because the border was strong. USA has a strong border but thousands still get across from Mexico

Also the Namibian war was going on which affected the ZA border until 89. Where they were controlling the possible refugees displaced from that countries independance war.

 

[Job]

Oh give me a break..the situatuon for poor blacks in the surrounding countries was dire, SA was a stable and safe country...not being able to mix with white people was hardly an issue.

 

[Job]

An uncomfortable article for the anti white brigade.

In a violent turn, black South Africans again blame African immigrants for their difficulties

 

[Moriath]

Oh give me a break..the situatuon for poor blacks in the surrounding countries was dire, SA was a stable and safe country...not being able to mix with white people was hardly an issue.

I had reletives that lived out there in the 80s. Crime was high black on white mostly. Cause blacks were poor. Whites lived in compounds with high walls. But had great life styles. Maids. Servants boats pools.

Blacks were mis treated and very very poor. From the outside it was stable cause of white man rule. Hidden from sight were the townships and the violence that came with them.

You think mandela got put in jail in the 60s for being a nice boy?

 

[Job]

It wasn't hidden , we all knew the situation and many people were horrified, it just depends how you look at it.
Maggie was vilified for calling Mandela a terrorist, but he clearly was by his own admission, just as I always say, armchair liberal activists reacting to simplistic arguments.
They are no different from rednecks, worse, because they think they have the moral high ground.
At least rednecks know they dont give a fuck.

 

[DaGaffer]

I had reletives that lived out there in the 80s. Crime was high black on white mostly. Cause blacks were poor. Whites lived in compounds with high walls. But had great life styles. Maids. Servants boats pools.

Blacks were mis treated and very very poor. From the outside it was stable cause of white man rule. Hidden from sight were the townships and the violence that came with them.

You think mandela got put in jail in the 60s for being a nice boy?

Hasn't actually changed that much. Whites still mostly live in gated compounds and generally have a much better lifestyle than blacks.

 

[Job]

Not actually. In the program there are lots from all places. But believe all you see in the trailer

Eatched Ed last night and I'll agree he did give some balance, but overall it was a platform for Ed Balls renaissance man..available for documentaries that show me in a good light...playing the fucking piano ffs.

 

[Hawkwind]

Hasn't actually changed that much. Whites still mostly live in gated compounds and generally have a much better lifestyle than blacks.

Whilst that is somewhat true most of those gated communities like Sandtown in Joburg are very mixed communities now.

One of the biggest problem in SA right now is the brain drain, whites and asians are leaving in droves, due to lack of job opportunities and the new rascist employment laws. Companies have to keep the quotas even when they cannot find the right qualities and education level required. They (Govmt) replaced one kind of racism with another, they rushed things that should have been accomplished over 2 generations. Started with education, then make sure the companies used them. I get why they did it, it was just a mistake that causes long term issues.

 

[dysfunction]

Whilst that is somewhat true most of those gated communities like Sandtown in Joburg are very mixed communities now.

One of the biggest problem in SA right now is the brain drain, whites and asians are leaving in droves, due to lack of job opportunities and the new rascist employment laws. Companies have to keep the quotas even when they cannot find the right qualities and education level required. They (Govmt) replaced one kind of racism with another, they rushed things that should have been accomplished over 2 generations. Started with education, then make sure the companies used them. I get why they did it, it was just a mistake that causes long term issues.

Sandton is not very mixed at all. It's still very much a very rich white area. Yes there are a fair few non whites but certainly far from being a fair mix.

 

[Wij]

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Hmmm. Wondering who this candidate might be...

Also on same day Trump's campaign manager found guilty of 8 counts of fraud and shit.