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Ha..these are the greatest political days.
Nuclear powers kicking off on twatter, Britain split down the middle...
I was argue/duscussing May last night in the pub with a guy who works for the Labour party.
He was spitting feathers at Mays lack of direction and leadership.
I kept prodding him with..'If only we had Maggie back..obviously Corbyn would do fuck all.'
It was a bit like here..
 

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A US-Iran war would be amazing for Trump, it'd be like Afghanistan on steriods, have bombs dropping daily on Tehran killing hundreds, have the fortnightly suicide attack on american soil that kills 10-100 people.

Would help massively with distractions.
 

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A US-Iran war would be amazing for Trump, it'd be like Afghanistan on steriods, have bombs dropping daily on Tehran killing hundreds, have the fortnightly suicide attack on american soil that kills 10-100 people.

Would help massively with distractions.
But remember Killary was the dangerous one !!eleven
 

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It's taken more visits by Pompeo to get just this though and the US has abandoned military exercises already to make this small bit of progress. Maybe made more concessions in secret as its been widely reported that NK is playing go-slow and upping its demands.

Small progress yes, presumably in response to getting something they wanted, but nothing like denuclearisation.

Kim has said they won't go any further without guarantees of the security of his regime. So the US would agree to let this crime family keep millions of Koreans in permanent slavery? Why would Kim even believe that future US administrations would honour that agreement once they had denuclearised? Trump ripped up Obama's Iran deal. Why would Kim expect that the next president wouldn't rip up Trump's Kim deal? He wouldn't.

Kim is asking for something that he knows the US can't deliver and is just out for what he can get in concessions in the meantime.
 

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It's taken more visits by Pompeo to get just this though and the US has abandoned military exercises already to make this small bit of progress. Maybe made more concessions in secret as its been widely reported that NK is playing go-slow and upping its demands.

Small progress yes, presumably in response to getting something they wanted, but nothing like denuclearisation.

Kim has said they won't go any further without guarantees of the security of his regime. So the US would agree to let this crime family keep millions of Koreans in permanent slavery? Why would Kim even believe that future US administrations would honour that agreement once they had denuclearised? Trump ripped up Obama's Iran deal. Why would Kim expect that the next president wouldn't rip up Trump's Kim deal? He wouldn't.

Kim is asking for something that he knows the US can't deliver and is just out for what he can get in concessions in the meantime.

They haven't abandoned military exercises with SK, just postponed them whilst talks are ongoing. As the next lot weren't due to take place until May, it isn't really a concession at all. If NK haven't made enough progress by then, up they start again.

But otherwise yes, this is a terrible development, and NK should go back to lobbing rockets over Japan. Things were much better when that was happening.
 

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They haven't abandoned military exercises with SK, just postponed them whilst talks are ongoing. As the next lot weren't due to take place until May, it isn't really a concession at all. If NK haven't made enough progress by then, up they start again.

But otherwise yes, this is a terrible development, and NK should go back to lobbing rockets over Japan. Things were much better when that was happening.
It no longer needs to. It has now got to the stage where it is saying, "Give us things we want or we will resume lobbing rockets over Japan. Or worse." This is obviously a great improvement that sets a brilliant precedent for other dictators to follow.
 

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Heres why Trump is still on for a second term, this is from Politico, so unlikely to be right wing biased.

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So, for the vast majority of his policies less than half the country approve?

Not even a single policy that people can rally behind? :(
 

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Its just a reminder that the endless push of the European press is that Trump is widely disliked in America and his only support is right wing christian hicks who are losing faith in him.
55% supported the muslim ban.
 

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Well if the evidence of the Uber driver I had recently in San Fran is anything to go by then we all know nothing. His quote was "I'll be voting for Trump again because the opposition are all corrupt" ... :confused:
 

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Its just a reminder that the endless push of the European press is that Trump is widely disliked in America and his only support is right wing christian hicks who are losing faith in him.
55% supported the muslim ban.
And the figures above show that the european press is bob-on in their assessment.

I know maths isn't you strong point - but 55÷ of people polled (on only one of the above) is far from a ringing endorsement is it...
 

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I dunno, compared to country where the choice of "Don't Know" is more popular than the leader of with political party, those numbers are pretty good.
 

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Compared to [insert cherry picked shite] awful figure = magically good?

Nope. Still awful. Awful in their own right.
 

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Compared to [insert cherry picked shite] awful figure = magically good?

Nope. Still awful. Awful in their own right.

Just shows a lack of understanding in how the US works on your part. More people agreeing than disagreeing in a highly partisan country like the US is pretty good going, especially considering it's across all topics.
 

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It's the same for both British and American politics, the Governments are falling apart but both oppositions are failing to produce a leader who can take advantage.

It's so weird, you would have thought these people would start drumming the drum for 2020.

Elizabeth Warren seems pretty hot.
 

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It's a bit different in the US. In the UK the main opposition party either keeps its leader or gets a new one in a few weeks after the election. There's someone there to like/hate in relation to the current PM. There's no equivalent in the US. That's why they have the generic ballot. It's also why the opposition has a bit of an advantage in mid-terms because they can still attempt to be all things to all people to a certain degree.

/edit: that's an advantage in comparison to the UK system to be clear. The administration still has the advantage that it can be seen to be doing shit and appearing on the world stage. The opposition just doesn't have to deal with pictures of its leader eating a bacon sandwich a bit awkwardly.
 

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Just shows a lack of understanding in how the US works on your part.
Funny that. I wondered whether I was doing something wrong and that a less than 50% approval rating of policies is actually "wildly supportive" rather than indicative of a majority of people not approving.

I guess 45 people is actually more than 55 people. Or something.

Trump doesn't appear to like approval ratings in only the 40's tho. So maybe all that data's fake news:
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I can imagine his approval ratings are low..most presidents just play the game and both sides will approve.
Trump totally polarises the electorate...you can bet 100% of democrates rated him 0.
 

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