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Though, my contempt for Israel is trumped by my contempt for the Ayyrabs. Really, fuck Palestine. If it weren't for the Brits meddling and thus giving giving jews a land-plot after WW1. So, really, fuck the Brits on this one. (oversimplifying and jumping to certain conclusions would be a vast under-statement here..)
 
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fettoken said:
Though, my contempt for Israel is trumped by my contempt for the Ayyrabs. Really, fuck Palestine. If it weren't for the Brits meddling and thus giving giving jews a land-plot after WW1. So, really, fuck the Brits on this one. (oversimplifying and jumping to certain conclusions would be a vast under-statement here..)
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Er the UN demanded the jews got the land...we thought it was the worst idea ever and would ignite the ME for a hundred years.
 
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Job said:
Er the UN demanded the jews got the land...we thought it was the worst idea ever and would ignite the ME for a hundred years.
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Now that is leaving out certain details as well. Brits had mandate to do as they saw fit, and well, what became of it is what we have. So, thanks guys! (sins of our fathers and all that..)
 
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Job said:
Yeah in 1917...but after ww2, with a jewish terrorist campaign against us, we rightly decided it was a very bad idea.
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Yes the British Empire was an amazing institution without any flaws.

No, it was a drumming up of idiotic pond-life nationalism that caused the issues on both sides.

The British actively encouraged Zionism but got confused when the Palestinians started to form their own identity and felt they weren't entitled to that identity - an argument which many still use today.
 
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Gwadien said:
I consider the Israeli state to be just as much as a terrorist organisation as Hamas.

The only difference is that one has shit loads of money and support, whilst the other does not.

Their goals and means of achieving them are the same.
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That's nice. You are, however, completely incorrect.
 
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Scouse said:
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I could repost the one I posted 2 pages ago, detailing the conflict from a Palestinian point of view? Or the one that kost of the people killed at the border were members of an internationally recognised terrorist organisation?
 
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"He casts this as ancient wisdom, delivered through religious allegories and fairy tales which contain truth, he says, that modern society has forgotten.". Well, I'd say he's not saying "behave like this or that", but rather giving people tools to relate to themselves and society, to take responsibility. Think for themselves. Of course some medias interpret it as 'matriarchal propaganda', as they themselves work with propaganda, and they believe that everyone has an agenda.
 
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And specifically the UK: "The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have been listed as a proscribed organization under the Terrorism Act since 2001, but Hamas as a whole is not listed"
 
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fettoken said:
"He casts this as ancient wisdom, delivered through religious allegories and fairy tales which contain truth, he says, that modern society has forgotten.". Well, I'd say he's not saying "behave like this or that", but rather giving people tools to relate to themselves and society, to take responsibility. Think for themselves. Of course some medias interpret it as 'matriarchal propaganda', as they themselves work with propaganda, and they believe that everyone has an agenda.
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So basically, men should run everything because they are naturally better at it and he has fairytales to prove it. Totally a rational thing :)
 
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quite simply they can't block it. If the stuff being sold has US parts in it (>10%), like the Airbus aircraft they can block the sale. Its US based tech that is controlled under end user licenses. So Airbus has to declare who they are selling to and US can block or not ship the parts.
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The sanctions stuff is even more intricate than that. My aunt worked for a firm that sold engineering parts to Iran, and it was an insane logistical nightmare. Nothing that anyone does, or the company does, that touches the US business, may be involved in violating US sanctions.

If your mail server is in London, and you're in Hong Kong, and your internal network routes your Iranian related mails through the US, you are guilty of breaking US sanctions.
If you are in the US on business (or on holiday) and you get an Iran related email, you are breaking US sanctions.
If you move money through a bank account or legal entity that does business in USD or touches the US financial network in any shape of form, you cannot do business with Iran.

They basically had an entire sealed off business section, with infrastructure, bank accounts, legal entities, etc, all dedicated to trading with Iran only. Employees who were involved were put on a special mail server so they could filter your mail based on location. When organsing travel, they had to make sure that a plane flying to Mexico / Canada wouldn't have an emergency stop in the USA. Lots of fun network routing stuff to bypass the US entirely. They had to keep track of each individual piece of equipment, down to the nuts and bolts, so that nothing made in the USA ended up in Iran.
It was a massive effort to prevent cross contamination, but as one of a handful of companies capable of doing it, they made the money back.
 
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Ill be happy if it succeeds but feel it will be more likely to do so without trump :)
 
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Bodhi said:
Thoughts on the Korea summit - certain parts of the media (that Wij pays attention to) are more than happy for it to fail so they can call Trump useless, despite the fact it will mean another 70 years of war on the peninsula.

Sad!
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Holy shit you even post like Trump tweets now.
 
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Aye @Gwadien. You're not surprised tho eh? The UN says that Brexit has seen a related rise in racism in the UK. I personally think between Brexit and Trump the more unsavoury attitudes that people used to feel reluctant to express, not just the racist side, has been given a boost.

Brexit + Trump has turned up the arsehole dial of the the UK IMO.
 
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Aye @Gwadien. You're not surprised tho eh? The UN says that Brexit has seen a related rise in racism in the UK. I personally think between Brexit and Trump the more unsavoury attitudes that people used to feel reluctant to express, not just the racist side, has been given a boost.

Brexit + Trump has turned up the arsehole dial of the the UK IMO.
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I just love it how @Bodhi was talking about how beautiful and unspoilt Fiji is and how welcoming the people were whilst his views preach the opposite.
 
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