United States Corrupt Twattery

[ECA]

Nope, pretty sure I've read em all and that rings no bells.

If it was anyone it'd obviously be Chet learning a new skill.
How to get kidnapped and save the day with frozen poop .

 

[ECA]

 

[Ctuchik]

lol, republicans are disowning trump like he's carrying a contagious disease....

 

[Job]

it doesn't matter about politicians doing the PC thing, people are fed up with mock shock and pretend , bullshit disgust.
The days of political spin are over...the thought police have shot their last bolt, if you shoot fromthe hip like Trump and miss most shots, people appreciate raw opinion, not carefully constructed to appeal, we are so used to authority towing the line of approved opinion that anyone saying it real, provokes utter amazement.
We may actually agree with many of it, but feel we shouldn't, like listening to grandma talking about blowjobs.
Trump mouths off he can get laid by being rich.
Hardly a surprise, but everyone falls over each other to be the most horrified.
Everyone knows THEY are the bullshitters.

 

[Gwadien]

Okay

 

[Raven]

Seems he has put his foot in his mouth about regarding some black fellas who were wrongly convicted of rape too. I think he has done enough to prove that an alarming number of Americans are actually retarded.

 

[Job]

I'm pretty sure the sum total of all his white privilege , asshole behaviour has finally blown it for him.
Let's see what his team can dig up on Hilary as it descends into debauchery, possibly an election for the times.

 

[Wij]

The candidate that keeps on giving:

Former Miss Arizona: Trump ‘just came strolling right in’ on naked contestants

 

[Scouse]

Okay

OK. I've seen @TdC agreed with you Gwad, but at the risk of (sort of) agreeing with (what some of) @Job says here.

It IS "locker room banter". Not great to hear, especially from a possible prez.

But lets face it. Rich or famous men can and do pretty get much get all the women they want, when they want them. This is not news. It's also not news, unless you're lying to yourself, that women have double standards when it comes to "unwanted advances".

They want bold advances off men they find attractive and/or rich whilst the exact same advances off men they're not interested in would get classed as sexual assault, possibly even reported to the police.

I've known women who've just gone with it (i.e. slept with) when they've found naked men in their bed / been turned around on a dance floor and kissed unexpectedly / been grabbed in the pussy by a random they found attractive as a first move/introduction.

All stuff that would get classed as assault or, at the least, creepy if they didn't find the man attractive. (And how's the guy to know in advance?)


Secondarily - these are 'moves' that women themselves make. It's happened on a handful of occasions to me. In a club down south I turned to look for a group of friends when a woman forcibly grabbed my cock and balls and gave them a pretty hard tug and gave me a not that asked 'up for it'?. She was minging. In a pub in wales this proper hottie came over and started talking to me and within ten seconds was rubbing my cock. Happened a number of times at University too - hotbeds of sexual assault (against women ofc) that they are.

Now, especially the first one, I could class all these as sexual assault. They were unwanted advances. The hottie made me feel a bit creeped out but also good about myself though (as did a few at Uni) - because she was attractive. The first one "especially" because she was minging.

But IMO, if not usual, it's certainly common human behaviour.

So why are we precious about a rich man saying he can just grab the pussy and get what he wanted. We all know it - rich men get laid because women love money. Film stars get laid because women love celebrity (and their money).

It's politically idiotic to admit the above, but there's not a man here who I think doesn't know that's true. Not saying you like it, or agree with it, but you know it's true.


Please to be posting below if you disagree with what I'm saying and post your reasons why. But don't bother if you're posing that it's wrong or immoral. I don't care about the morality of it - just it's factual non-shocking existence. And that women are probably as guilty as men.

 

[Raven]

bold advances do not equal groping.

 

[Job]

pics or it didn't happen..we will accept photoshopping.

 

[Scouse]

bold advances do not equal groping.

In the case of the (clever and attactive) woman who slept with the guy who grabbed her pussy, or the women who've been unexpectedly kissed - those things are exactly groping - and are also bold advances that worked.

 

[Job]

Just read an Indy article this morning on the exact point

5 reasons why at least 40 million people will vote for Donald Trump


'Americans see success as business success, even if he’s going screw them over, people respect that," said Mr Gailmard. "Politicians have one million ways to screw you before the sun rises every day. We may as well have someone who is honest and upfront about it."

 

[Raven]

In the case of the (clever and attactive) woman who slept with the guy who grabbed her pussy, or the women who've been unexpectedly kissed - those things are exactly groping - and are also bold advances that worked.

Bold advances do not equal groping.

What you meant to say is "sexual assault" whether it got him laid or not is moot, the two are not the same thing.

 

[Scouse]

What you meant to say is "sexual assault" whether it got him laid or not is moot

Disagree 100%.

Are you mad enough to think that a woman would sleep with a man who she felt had sexually assaulted her?

Clearly not. So if she didn't feel she was sexually assaulted then it's clearly not sexual assault.

 

[Raven]

Ah right. so what you are saying is feeling up a woman by grabbing her pussy is not sexual assault.

Got it.

Now, obviously if she consented then its a non-story, just shagging. However, as I understand it, it was a random act and not in the course of fucking or a sexual encounter.

 

[Scouse]

Just read an Indy article this morning on the exact point

I think this is the exact point:

As the Republican nominee breaks away from the traditional image of a politician, he also offers a "beacon of hope" for uneducated voters and provokes nostalgia among older voters.

The thick and the nostalgic.

 

[Scouse]

Ah right. so what you are saying is feeling up a woman by grabbing her pussy is not sexual assault.

I think that you're very uncomfortable with the grey area I'm presenting to you - even if it's reflective of reality.

It's also not news, unless you're lying to yourself, that women have double standards when it comes to "unwanted advances".

They want bold advances off men they find attractive and/or rich whilst the exact same advances off men they're not interested in would get classed as sexual assault, possibly even reported to the police.

 

[Raven]

I am not uncomfortable with it at all. I know I cannot go around grabbing random women by the vagina. Its both illegal and unwelcome.

I am cool with that.

You clearly have an underlying problem with women, care to share with the group?

 

[caLLous]

Trump told all his supporters to go out and vote on November the 28th. I hope they do, because that'll be 20 days after the election.

 

[DaGaffer]

bold advances do not equal groping.

Bit like Scouse, I've seen it happen and its happened to me. I do think the "moral line" about this is moving almost as we speak, and I also agree that there's a gap between what women say and what women do, depending on the attractiveness of the person doing the groping and the proclivities of the woman involved.

I was reading the comments about this on the Graun yesterday, and there was a thread about whether its OK to call a woman "sexy" even if she's not there, (in the context of so-called "locker room talk") and people were flat out saying it wasn't. Now I was never really one to talk to other blokes about women I fancied, but I'd defy anyone to not to have had one of those "holy shit look at her!" moments with your mates in a pub or club. And that's now wrong? Thank fuck I don't have to date anymore.

 

[Raven]

Yeah that's fine. and not even part of the discussion. I am talking about (and so is Scouse) just walking up to a women and grabbing her by the fanny. That is not alright, regardless of the situation, who you are or who they are.

 

[Scouse]

Even if that's what they want eh?

Interesting.

 

[Raven]

Yeah all women are gagging for it, especially if they are wearing tight clothes.

Its like I have fallen into the 1980s

 

[Scouse]

Yeah all women are gagging for it, especially if they are wearing tight clothes.

I can see you're not emotionally capable of discussing things that have actually happened in a rational manner.

 

[Exioce]

.................................
It's politically idiotic to admit the above, but there's not a man here who I think doesn't know that's true. Not saying you like it, or agree with it, but you know it's true.


Please to be posting below if you disagree with what I'm saying and post your reasons why. But don't bother if you're posing that it's wrong or immoral. I don't care about the morality of it - just it's factual non-shocking existence. And that women are probably as guilty as men.

So some women want to be groped by high status men, and vice versa. Most however would be disgusted by it, and class it as sexual assault.
The issue isn't whether or not some men currently get away with this with some women, but rather the judgement of a presidential candidate who brags about it.

 

[Raven]

I can see you're not emotionally capable of discussing things that have actually happened in a rational manner.

I can see you assume all women want it and want it hard, all the time.

Go and take a long hard look at yourself, you are an embarrassment.

Pathetic throwback.

 

[Scouse]

So some women want to be groped by high status men, and vice versa. Most however would be disgusted by it, and class it as sexual assault.

Absolutely agree Exioce. You're repeating back to me what I clearly originally stated. But one of the reasons I'm posting is because of the gap that you and @DaGaffer agree exists. Frankly, I'm more interested in that than the US election right now.

The issue isn't whether or not some men currently get away with this with some women, but rather the judgement of a presidential candidate who brags about it.

Again, I absolutely agree. But that's not the dialogue that's going on - what's going in the media is a Raven-style rampage not a nuanced discussion. I guess people like Raven are incapable of understanding nuanced discussion and it's why the profit-making media circus is focussing on the outrage, rather than actuality of the situation. (See his post above for rabid Jeremy-Kyle watching moronity).

I think it's a disingenuous distraction tbh. The fact that Trump made some off-colour remarks in private in 2005 shouldn't be what the presidential election should be about (and in 2005 the idea of being a presidential candidate never occured to him - so this isn't really about his judgement as a presidential candidate - it's about someone digging dirt on him from over a decade ago).

I agree myself that it's distasteful and I personally would never act in such a manner. But the fact is, some men do and some women like it when it happens to them. Also - and very importantly, because this discussion is wholely one-sided - some women do and some men like it when it happens to them...

I guess my prime reason for bringing it up was that @Gwadien discounted out of hand what Job said - and I think it's not as clear-cut as he intimated. I think that's interesting, especially in the context of what's going on right now in the media around trump and in wider social discourse in general.

 

[Exioce]

so this isn't really about his judgement as a presidential candidate - it's about someone digging dirt on him from over a decade ago

Fine, leave the presidential candidate stuff out of it (though he has mounted presidential or other political runs in 1988, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2014 & 2016).
The character of any rich playboy who finds it acceptable to brag about uninvited groping should rightly be seen as suspect and utterly lacking in empathy.
It's something that belongs in the past and the media would be crucified for normalising it.

 

[Scouse]

The character of any rich playboy who finds it acceptable to brag about uninvited groping should rightly be seen as suspect and utterly lacking in empathy.
It's something that belongs in the past and the media would be crucified for normalising it.

Like I said, I'm not really interested in the politics of it. I'm not sure about your second sentence though - I think it's partly the sexuality of some men and some women and the clash of those who'd in general hate it. I find it distasteful, but then I find lots of sexuality-related things distasteful. What I do find about this particular situation involving Trump is that it's overblown.

I agree the media shouldn't be normalising it - but they shouldn't be faux-moral-outraged-for-profit-and-morons about it either. They shouldn't really be focussing on it at all. Or Bill's proclivities for getting sucked off by interns when he was president - something again, by the way, was a two-way-street that women got outraged by, like his dick sucked itself off and "traumatised" his "victim" without her willing and eager oral-and-neck-muscles, perchance manual, participation.

The guys a dick tho. Yep.