UK Cluster future

[Meril]

Posting this for Brite, since he is banned. Since its something constructiv i havent got a problem posting it, lets see if the admins do.
As you can see from FH the current state of the UK cluster is horrible, but yet GOA still gives us no news on what they are doing after months of "working on it" Rather than standing by and watching the server spiral downwards I want to do something about it and the only option that seems available to me is to pressure Mythic / GOA for information on what is happening. Please spend the time to copy and paste the paragraphs below into the Mythic Feedback Form under Customer Service Issues. The more people submit feedback on this the more likely we are to get an answer so please get as many people as you can to submit this.
Thank You

http://www.camelotherald.com/feedback.php

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Current state of UK cluster

For months now the player base of Prydwen / Excalibur have been waiting on news of what is going to be done to resolve the situation of the server. At prime time the server is hitting 400-500 players over both servers. The realm of Midgard is extremely under populated and severely suffering, sometimes struggling to have 40 players online prime time which is a mere 10% of the population. GOA has failed to act on this in relation to under populated bonuses, which still remain with Hibernia who at the moment have 4 relics which has recently changed from 5.

A lot of players have migrated to German and US servers in order to continue to have fun in RvR, thus leaving behind many of their characters which they have put many hours hard work into and not to mention friends they have acquired in game. Also many players have quit because of the current situation of the server and because of a minority of players. These players continue to make it hard to continue playing on the server, which is having a detrimental effect considering the low population. If a solution is found many players would love to return and play their original characters they worked so hard on.

The community wants information on how and when the situation is going to be resolved. For months now GOA have told the community they are working on it, but yet still nothing has been said or done in terms of fixing the problem. If a decision has been made on what action is being taken then why hasn’t it been announced? Also if a decision hasn’t been made then why has it taken so long? The community is being left in the dark and wondering if anything is happening at all and whether they are being taken for a ride.

The options for the UK server have been set out as clustering with another server/cluster, be that German or US if possible or a character transfer. There are concerns with these solutions such as language, along with many others issues and the community understands this. Although given the time period the community has waited without news simply telling us the issue is complicated is simply not good enough. The community needs news on this issue now.

 

[noaim]

Their long term solution is already in work. Tell people there is a long term solution being worked on in a last attempt to make people stay and keep paying their subs. They arent doing shit, if they did they would at least say what they are attempting to do since that would bring more cash to them if it was something people liked.

 

[Arelas]

I remember the old days in daoc where there was about 2500 peep on excalibur alone and the fun it was in rvr and now the is hard to find some to fight agains and the old frontier was better to because u was need alot more to take a keep and a relic then u need today. I really hope GOA do something soon so this server not gonna die.

Long live Hibernia

 

[Ati]

Some more groups need to come agramon, we only need 80 or so players to have a good time thats 7FGs and 1fg of buffbots

 

[hanza]

i added this little sentance before your post :

"I perfetcly know that Mythic is NOT handling the issue on european servers, but please take a minute to read this as GOA doesn t seem to do his job"


then copied and pasted your message.

not sure it s gonna help. but trying doesn t cost a copper

 

[Gahn]

Purge the bad apples and ppl will come back.

 

[Septima]

Purge the bad apples and ppl will come back.

Nothing to do with bad apples, just old tree...

 

[leviathane]

i've sent bout 5000 of them feedbacks to nerf theurg pets and monster rez, doubt this will work either xD

 

[Gahn]

Nothing to do with bad apples, just old tree...

All the trees (aka servers outside metaphores) are old, the ones in good shape have few bad apples and many good ones, on the other hand the ones in bad shape have many bad apples and just an handful of good ones.
Take yer pick where's Dyvet standing atm.

 

[Septima]

All the trees (aka servers outside metaphores) are old, the ones in good shape have few bad apples and many good ones, on the other hand the ones in bad shape have many bad apples and just an handful of good ones.
Take yer pick where's Dyvet standing atm.

You can aggree that only a handfull of players is "harming" the server atm. The proportion of "good" and "bad" players didn't changed either with low or high population. But the efects are more visible and people tend to overreact due to the sense of a dying server, risk comming more from its low population than really from actions from players ingame and in SOTG.

The ones you call the "bad apples" can't be severed from this server, their playing within the rules so GOA can't do shit even if they wanted.

I don't appreciate CM/Horner and some other people actions but i can't sincerely blame them for the death of dyveth.

 

[Gahn]

You can aggree that only a handfull of players is "harming" the server atm. The proportion of "good" and "bad" players didn't changed either with low or high population. But the efects are more visible and people tend to overreact due to the sense of a dying server, risk comming more from its low population than really from actions from players ingame and in SOTG.

The ones you call the "bad apples" can't be severed from this server, their playing within the rules so GOA can't do shit even if they wanted.

I don't appreciate CM/Horner and some other people actions but i can't sincerely blame them for the death of dyveth.

Could argue to death about it, so i will gladly leave it right now ^^

 

[Septima]

Better yeah, need to get back to work too

 

[WiZe^]

Us servers ftw ^_^

 

[SkarIronfist]

Its a very sad state of affairs on the cluster at the moment.

To be honest last night 03/04/07 in Agramon and down in HW was the best we had in a good few weeks, from an action stand point. Most nights we (TC) run its a really struggle to find anything entertaining to do. Fights are as rare as rocking horse droppings.

I can understand the need for GOA to maintain an English cluster from a marketing point of view. But really its not going to keep any new customers if they have nothing to do in the RVR front, and from a PVE point of view, there are better games out there.

So the news black out on the future plans, should be published. What are GOA working towards?

If you are working towards a clustering of a frontier zones of multiple languages. Make sure that you make the frontier zone cluster viable. Unfortunately Dyvet clustering happened to late to maintain a healthy numbers base. I have no problem being clustered with low pop french and german clusters but make sure the combined population is viable.

We are have been loyal "customers" for a long time, but I basically feel we are being jerked around in an effort to extract a bit more cash out of us until your next gaming cash cow turns up (Warhammer). Keeping things to close to your chest has not been to successful in the past.

 

[Thadius]

All the trees (aka servers outside metaphores) are old, the ones in good shape have few bad apples and many good ones, on the other hand the ones in bad shape have many bad apples and just an handful of good ones.
Take yer pick where's Dyvet standing atm.

Since when did you become a farmer Gahn?

Talking bout trees and apples, next you will taking about sheep and CAP!

 

[Gahn]

Since when did you become a farmer Gahn?

Talking bout trees and apples, next you will taking about sheep and CAP!

I've grown a green thumb meanwhile!

 

[raid]

Purge the bad apples and ppl will come back.

no, the other way around really... the bigger part of playerbase prefers fair fights, the worse the server is for the casual players who just wanna go out to frontier and fight alongside realmm8s. avalon is well alive, because this style of playing is still strong.

when exc/pry servers were very active, the relative amount of "bad apples" was much bigger than lately.

 

[Cadelin]

Some more groups need to come agramon, we only need 80 or so players to have a good time thats 7FGs and 1fg of buffbots

The 1fg of buffbots needs to come agramon too. That way Newz's group gets some kills too

 

[Gahn]

no, the other way around really... the bigger part of playerbase prefers fair fights, the worse the server is for the casual players who just wanna go out to frontier and fight alongside realmm8s. avalon is well alive, because this style of playing is still strong.

when exc/pry servers were very active, the relative amount of "bad apples" was much bigger than lately.

My finger was pointing in a well know direction tbh Raid, guess u missed my point ^^

 

[liloe]

Well the "bad apples" are not the casual players. I think the general attitude is pretty crap. I'm playing Classic a lot atm and if there's smth to defend in the frontier, people go there quickly and sort the issue (well at least in mid). Also I see much less whine threads on 4players than here on FH and well tbh, also less e-peen threads.

Tbh I don't like Avalon that much either, cause there's not much room for people who like to run 8v8 without binding themselves to a set group. I don't have the time to do that and I never had luck with PUG's.

 

[Coldbeard]

It seems as no matter how much we stress this issue, the answer are still left out. I think we are well beyond the point where "we are working on a solution" suffices to keep the playerbase with hope of enjoying the game they are paying for and have loved for many years now. We have been assured the necessary steps are taken to sort this major concern from GoA, but the results still remains unseen and every day that goes by makes the situation worse. I am not sure if it's the lack of effort in trying to solve this problem from GoA's side or the sheer magnitude of the problem.

We need concrete plans for UK cluster (even DAoC EU in general, as there are other servers having problems as well). We need to know if we will be able to play the characters we have built up over the last years in a game that we can enjoy.

All in all, I think this is way due it's time anyways. The damage the population has suffered is so critical, and because of the solution to this problem is delayed and played down, it is ultimately unrepairable.

(Sent the feedback to Mythic, but in all honesty, the situation on EU and UK clusters are not their main concerns, and I doubt they will do anything to help out here)

 

[Tilda]

If you really want to get an answer, I'd suggest putting it under "Questions" so that it goes to Sanya, CS issues I think is only really to complain about CSR's on US etc.

 

[Sollac]

Well the "bad apples" are not the casual players. I think the general attitude is pretty crap. I'm playing Classic a lot atm and if there's smth to defend in the frontier, people go there quickly and sort the issue (well at least in mid). Also I see much less whine threads on 4players than here on FH and well tbh, also less e-peen threads.

Tbh I don't like Avalon that much either, cause there's not much room for people who like to run 8v8 without binding themselves to a set group. I don't have the time to do that and I never had luck with PUG's.

omg i have to agree with a hib

the attitude on dyvet sucks. I play casual and not as much as i would like.
Real life commitments does that.

The problem at the moment is the fact that casters have all the power in the game.

Animalos the mid...casting through scenery is a classic in laby atm, the full group zergs of mids waiting at nurizane xroads to kill the solo albs just trying to complete quests.

the main problem is that whereas hib and mid have only a few guilds and maybe one/2 allainces, alb is very splintered and no real comradeship...

The leet players have really killed the friendship on the alb side, and when it got real bad they went to avalon..... left the casual players to put up with the shit they left behind.

I have admiration for CMand other like them for the raids they do....ok dont agree with the time that they play, but nothing i can do about that.

its there play time and notmine.

Prime time alb sucks..........guilds dont seem to talk to each other any more.
alliances are dead, but no gm's online to sort it

 

[Phantomby]

IMO, GOA have done nothing but a piss poor job. Moving to the US servers opened my eyes about the level of customer service (actually having GM's online and able to do something is a great start).

The constant "we are talking over plans" just smacks of another stalling tactic while their servers die.

The pryd server crash (didnt affect me but was still very slow recovery)
No online GM's for bugged encounters affecting upto 200 people
The griefing and AC'ing (side effect of low population)
Snap judgements on guilds for lowering keeps
The poor recovery tactic for glast

The list just goes on and on...

The sooner you realise this the less disappointed you will be

 

[Jarahl]

The casual players didnt ruin this server. On Avalon there is room for both casual players, zergers and the more hardcore 8v8'ers.

I cant see why we never was able to make this work on Excal/Prydwen but at some point some people just had enough.

Realms wasent in balance cus Relics constantly was alarm clocked. Some twats was constantly adding on fair fights and the list goes on.

This cant be sorted, it was tried. Agramon worked well for a while, the "rules" was obayed, but the problem was when a grp entered who at no time was "forced" in any way to followed these "rules" and choose not to. That ruined the game for those who only played for 8v8s.

The mutual respect that once existed on Dyvet is gone, and has been gone for a long time now. There isent alot of this on Avalon either, but the "rules" are still followed and thats all I need. 8v8s gets left alone in the 8v8 zone and everything that moves get killed in the zerg zone. Cant talk about the stealth world on Avalon tho, but I reckon its a mess

Excalibur was my home, but I dont regret moving really.

 

[Dre@d]

The leet players have really killed the friendship on the alb side, and when it got real bad they went to avalon..... left the casual players to put up with the shit they left behind.

Are u joking or..?xD

 

[Straef]

The leet players have really killed the friendship on the alb side, and when it got real bad they went to avalon..... left the casual players to put up with the shit they left behind.

Are u joking or..?xD

So you reckon Mids/Hibs would rather put up with the zerging/camping/adding people that have been bitched at lately, rather than say... PE or FL or whatever? I really doubt it.

 

[Raven]

So you reckon Mids/Hibs would rather put up with the zerging/camping/adding people that have been bitched at lately, rather than say... PE or FL or whatever? I really doubt it.

no...he just doesn't know how to quote

 

[Zede]

A genius executive at EA during during some board meeting prolly pointed out that 14,000 ppl dont matter - when within a year their new baby will be netting them by all accounts a cool 1,400,000, or more.

 

[Lorfo]

On the german cluster limor you have options on how you want to play. There is a FG zone which is dedicated for 8vs8, with specific rules etc setup in a channel. And everywhere else is zerg vs zerg.

The 8vs8 action on the UK server died because loads of groups didn't want to go to "agramon" which were our fg zone. It's enough with 2-3 groups from every realm to have fun (atleast for me). As long as they play in the 8vs8 zone.

I tried to "save" daoc with project camlann, but most groups quit before everyone were finished and we ended up with 2-3 groups. Which gets boring and dull after a while. On camlann the rps are totally bugged aswell. Could kill a group 5 times and get rps 1 time.
If you want to have fun in daoc roll some german cluster.

Give _free_ chartransfer or cluster excalibur/prydwen with avalon/lyonesse.

It's a shame that project camlann didn't work for long. It was a brilliant idea!