True Sight Removed lol xD

[Cerberos]

No matter what happens to MoS its proberly gonna help Archers more than it will help assasins.

Btw NF is gonna be archers domain and you know it

 

[censi]

with regards to the archers 1 shotting everything from stealth and lightning bolts out the asshole type comments.

The real glorey days were pretty much patched out before most archers made it to 50 cuz we behind the US servers. If I recal wasnt like 1.35 the first patch.

By about 1.46 which was in within a month or so before there were maybe like 2-3 lvl 50 rangers that rvr'd the nerfs started coming in thick and fast. This whole glorey day thing is a lot of bollacks really. There were some design flaws with archers which meant lots of classes were almost free RP. This was fixed FAST. (and not only fixed they pretty much made sure you werent gonna be killing anything)

I mean assasin have been top of the stealther food chain now for years. a Radical overpowered TS change like what was preposed was enough to really make these classes balanced.

And ultmately you would see the balance from the average number of RP per week accross all servers level out betwwen archers and assasin. It would have balanced the classes pretty well. But like people have touched on. PLayers pick the class which is generally better. The fact that more people play assasins is because they are better than archers (not cooler!). The worst thing from my point of view is having fotm players (the likes of meduza etc) all rolling archers becuase they now get wind they might be better than assasins. TS3 would have been the smell in the wind the fotm'ers would sniff out and be drawn to.

Still a lot of peeps rolling archers now but they in for a bit of a shock cuz its not going to be the easy life they think.

 

[Kinad]

Lots of keepfights + teleport to battles = assasins most likely can wait days
to find a solo archer and maybe even hours to find a decent solo target.

From a balacing perspective archer losts, but i doubt it will have and influence
in NF, and all assasins acomplished by crying out about ts is ruining their own game by losing just another target they could attack. There is no archer whos gonna move out to fight overpowered assasins when they can leech like newer before from a safe spot inside a keep.

 

[Meduza]

...The worst thing from my point of view is having fotm players (the likes of meduza etc) all rolling archers becuase they now get wind they might be better than assasins...

Sry for choosing a class that fittet my way of playing - solo (ye ye ye, mostly that is!)

I started in a small guild, with no real active rvr players. But unlike most ppl these days, I didnt move my char to a more "RvR oriented guild", but staying with my (few) friends. But since I wanted to RvR I made a char that would suit my way of playing (ie having only very few online friends). I chose Infil (partly because Loxleyhood was a scout, so we could team with each class). Believe me - I never knew how overpwred infils were when i started to make it, and lvl it the ol' fashion way!

So because I didnt "research" each classes when i started playing, Im suddenly FoTM ?!?

Well, glad I don't give a flying fook what u think - just wanted to enlighten ur l33tness that ppl might have chosen the class because its fun and suits them better!

:worthy: Censimilla :worthy: - All hail!

 

[Belomar]

Don't kid yourself, Meduza. Almost every caster I knew rolled an infiltrator as their next char after they made 50 with their main. No, you may not have known the power of infiltrators, but you certainly knew the power of assassins overall.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Personally I'd welcome more archers even if they are FOTM players, not that think theres anything wrong with that, only reason don't do it myself is that I can't be bothered with the hassle of lvlling again. More people playing archers more say they'd have in getting positive changes to the class.

Does seem a bit off that after so having to go through being underpowered for so much of the game when archers get something good that gives us a bit of a chance for some payback against assassins its watered down so quickly

Suppose lesson archers need to learn is that if you don't scream like a bitch when things don't go your way they'll never go your way.

 

[Meduza]

Don't kid yourself, Meduza. Almost every caster I knew rolled an infiltrator as their next char after they made 50 with their main. No, you may not have known the power of infiltrators, but you certainly knew the power of assassins overall.

All I knew was from the description somewhere about assasin stating something like "Assasins are archer hunters". And I hated archers for 1-shotting me! Therefore it came quite natural for me to roll an infil - and prolly "all the other casters u knew" felt the same ?!

Just maybe!

 

[Kinad]

All I knew was from the description somewhere about assasin stating something like "Assasins are archer hunters". And I hated archers for 1-shotting me! Therefore it came quite natural for me to roll an infil - and prolly "all the other casters u knew" felt the same ?!

Just maybe!

Bullshit

Noone with a bit of brain rolled am infil to fight the 1000's of hunters an rangers roaming around, they do not excist, they rolled one because its an yber class. After 1.50 only a few alb scouts still played, and all the old rangers/hunters like eleasias, orizque, hing, fatbelly.... left. Of the old archers from around release only Lath and me still plays, but maybe some like Fatbelly,
Aussie and Tahngarth will return for NF.

 

[Theseus]

ozrique is back since toa afaik...

 

[Culanan]

Mythic need to stick in some earplugs and ignore all the whining bastards on Vnboards and have a serious think about how they want stealth classes to work in a balanced fashion.

I enjoy my ranger, BG3 was a blast and I'm lvling to 50 atm in anticipation of some proper rvr laffs.

I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about it tbh because I don't want to end up zerging with other stealthers or just getting instapwned and /release.

I'll stick at it cos I stuck with my BM while everyone cried how gimp they were but if I enjoy a class I always will stick with it.

Long way to go for NF yet, save the whine till then

 

[Jox]

Well, the tables have turned again...Mackey have decided that MoS won't cancel MoS so assassins are fistfucked(no camo..no ability to see other assassins).

Some random whines about the subject;

http://vnboards.ign.com/Frontiers_Discussion_Board:_General_Discussions/b22501/69788247/?18

First perma-TS, then MoS that cancel MoS(good for me), then MoS that wont cancel MoS(not good for me)... looks like Mythic cant make up their mind.

 

[Iceforge]

Bullshit

Noone with a bit of brain rolled am infil to fight the 1000's of hunters an rangers roaming around, they do not excist, they rolled one because its an yber class. After 1.50 only a few alb scouts still played, and all the old rangers/hunters like eleasias, orizque, hing, fatbelly.... left. Of the old archers from around release only Lath and me still plays, but maybe some like Fatbelly,
Aussie and Tahngarth will return for NF.

Face reality!

Because you think in one way doesn't mean everybody else thinks that way?

I believe Meduza simply because I was in excatly same situation, a non-rvr-oriented Guild, good friends with all, Roll assassin (SB AFTER LA-nerf) just to be able to solo RvR (Okay, rolled Hunter first, got to level 31 and found out Hunter don't get climb = reroll )

 

[Thorondorito]

the same story as always, crying and whining.

no one here told a shit (i think) about things assassins will lose after NF, such as dodge, dualist reflexes, see hidden...

i think mythic does not know the meant of the word "balance" so they make a thing, call it a new RA, new styles rev. or what ever u want, and then they just realize they did a crap work. conclusion: people calling for nerf & whining around, so they tend to nerf it and the nerfed ones :touch: start the game of whining again.

just my 2 cents

 

[Kinad]

Face reality!

Because you think in one way doesn't mean everybody else thinks that way?

I believe Meduza simply because I was in excatly same situation, a non-rvr-oriented Guild, good friends with all, Roll assassin (SB AFTER LA-nerf) just to be able to solo RvR (Okay, rolled Hunter first, got to level 31 and found out Hunter don't get climb = reroll )

There is a difference between rolling a stealther for solo, and rolling an assasin to hunt hunters and rangers who supposed to have 1 shot his mage.
You cannot 1 shot any decent mage and you havent been able to for the last 20 patches. I think very very few archers hits harder harder than me, and even with a 5.8 speed bow and totally capped buffs i cannot 1 shot mages at will. Normally i would hit a mage for 650-900 depending on his items and shields, but thats it, and even a basic buffed mage has 1200 these days.

He wanted to own or play a stealther, fine his choice, but its totally crap some imaginary rangers or hunters keept 1 shoting his poor mage, when for the last 2 years there has been virtually none around.

 

[Fluid]

There is a difference between rolling a stealther for solo, and rolling an assasin to hunt hunters and rangers who supposed to have 1 shot his mage.
You cannot 1 shot any decent mage and you havent been able to for the last 20 patches. I think very very few archers hits harder harder than me, and even with a 5.8 speed bow and totally capped buffs i cannot 1 shot mages at will. Normally i would hit a mage for 650-900 depending on his items and shields, but thats it, and even a basic buffed mage has 1200 these days.

He wanted to own or play a stealther, fine his choice, but its totally crap some imaginary rangers or hunters keept 1 shoting his poor mage, when for the last 2 years there has been virtually none around.

u think u should be able to 1 shot a fully buffed mage?

 

[Kinad]

the same story as always, crying and whining.

no one here told a shit (i think) about things assassins will lose after NF, such as dodge, dualist reflexes, see hidden...

i think mythic does not know the meant of the word "balance" so they make a thing, call it a new RA, new styles rev. or what ever u want, and then they just realize they did a crap work. conclusion: people calling for nerf & whining around, so they tend to nerf it and the nerfed ones :touch: start the game of whining again.

just my 2 cents

See hidden cost 8 rp, approx 1000( for 1 year clip ) range passiv detect on archers which do not have a 10 min ability up which drops the second you as much as think of firing an arrow.
TS costed 30 rp and had 1000 range passive detect.
So if see hidden and ts stayed in game archers had to pay 22 more rp's for basically same ra.

Archers do lose dodger too, who do you think it hurts most, evade 7 class
with dw attack who can cap on buffs or evade 1-3 class ?

Archers Ra's in NF

PD : Useless since everyone using elemental weapons.
IP : Nerfed to 80 %.
TS : Both old and new removed.
Determination : Ohh that just rox in stealthbattles.
Volley : Nerfed, but atleast free.
Longshot : Nerfed unless paying huge amount of rp.
MoA : Removed

Assasins Ra's in NF

Viper : 300 damage passive on top of debuff and pa.
Vanish : Free get out of trouble ra, which means just imposibel to kill an assasin with it up.
Dualist Reflexes : Lost. Ohh yes, all assasins might aswell delete

You have not the slightest clue about balance in stealth war, the only problem i have is that telling my true oppinion on spanish infils would get me banned.

Fluid i newer expected to 1 shot a buffed opponent, just telling it cannot be done, maybe you should learn to read ?

 

[Light]

why dont they just drop all this ts/sh/mos shit and allow 'stealthers' to see each other simply based on thier stealth spec

makes sense to me

 

[Fluid]

Fluid i newer expected to 1 shot a buffed opponent, just telling it cannot be done, maybe you should learn to read ?

where did i say u did say it? i simply asked a question, maybe its you who needs to learn to read

 

[Cerberos]

1 shotting casters is ok imo, Íf they dont cast bobble and af and brittle guard they deserve to get 1 shot.

 

[Meduza]

What Kinad wants:

- Perma TS at clip range
- IP 100% at 5 min timer (in case he has to jump 3, and 1 gets too close)
- Evade XIV 360d (in case some1 dares to jump him while he is afk!)

Well, maybe he didnt write it, but thats surely how I read it!

 

[wittor]

or just ban scouts

 

[Meduza]

sounds even better... then 90% of the wajning would end!

 

[Kinad]

I have sometimes tested infils in duels.
I often cannot take a rr2-3 infil down even when fight starts from range.

37 listed assasins above 2 mill on server.
15 listed archers is, altho archers where in rvr first.

People thinking there is balance has no clue at all.

Good side is, US testing indicate its more fun playing a thane than an assasin,
since its all about keepbattles and teleport, so maybe assasins should spend less time whining on how yber archers suppose to be, and try save their class.

 

[Squalion]

<--- rr5L3 ranger

Pop TS, Used IP, Used Purge.

RR3 infil beat me.

no comment.

 

[Jox]

<--- rr5L3 ranger

Pop TS, Used IP, Used Purge.

RR3 infil beat me.

no comment.

hm, yes, infils are quite overpowered... still, how about sbs? been insta-killed by a sb in rr 3 WITHOUT relics?

So 2/3..67% of the assassin community = overpowered... but still; we sbs have to suffer for it ://

Would be fun to see what me and Ztyx could do if I played a rr 10 infil and Ztyx a rr 8 mincer...

 

[Glottis]

hm, yes, infils are quite overpowered... still, how about sbs? been insta-killed by a sb in rr 3 WITHOUT relics?

So 2/3..67% of the assassin community = overpowered... but still; we sbs have to suffer for it ://

Would be fun to see what me and Ztyx could do if I played a rr 10 infil and Ztyx a rr 8 mincer...

Can SB's pretty please shut up after being overpowered for more than a year (LA....) and abusing see hidden for around 1.5 years? SB's who never complained till LA got nerfed and then found out that sometimes inf where able to beat them... but luckily scouts still stood no chance...

And Meduza, claiming that scouts are even anywhere near uber is just retarded talk from someone who played an inf...
As long as assasins can evade 6 out of 10 shots from a buffed archer and then proceed to gank him silly through his IP they really cannot say stuff like the supposed assasin gods are trying to say in this thread...
Regards, Glottis

 

[Meduza]

I played buffed.

I never evaded THAT many shots from any archer!

And lack on evading isnt the same as lack of skills, so no comments there plz!

U, Glottis, must live in a dreamworld! Or is it a world of make-beliefs ?!

But aye, mercfils r a tough class. No doubt about it. But making archers l33t sure isnt the way to solve it (like Perma TS etc)

And Sqallion, rr3 infil beating u IS however lack of skill. Unless u were unbuffed and he was buffed!

And Jox, sometimes u just wajn too much!

Can ppl plz stop comparing their solo-effort against 2 or more assasins ?! U r not surposed to kill any if 2+ jumps u! I know its hard to comprehend, but ur rly NOT!

 

[Jox]

Can SB's pretty please shut up after being overpowered for more than a year (LA....) and abusing see hidden for around 1.5 years? SB's who never complained till LA got nerfed and then found out that sometimes inf where able to beat them... but luckily scouts still stood no chance...

And Meduza, claiming that scouts are even anywhere near uber is just retarded talk from someone who played an inf...
As long as assasins can evade 6 out of 10 shots from a buffed archer and then proceed to gank him silly through his IP they really cannot say stuff like the supposed assasin gods are trying to say in this thread...
Regards, Glottis

Hm, yes... ofc... if a class have been overpowered... dont try to balance it, overnerf it for a couple of years instead... as a punishment... sounds like good game-dynamics... and Meslusa... I didnt whine... I just stated some facts^^

 

[Knoll]

im no fan of meduza i sure hated him when he played but i have to agree u glottis are just a retard..

let me remind u that it wasnt just SB's that abused SH when it was overpowered...
and yes u can pwn SB's with your scout just dropp your silly 50 Bow specc and spend a few more points into a melee wpn most hunters spec 39+ in melee.

a scout using malice hurt like hell...

i sure loved the idea about perma TS on archer classes a small revenge but hey the assasin population"infs" tend to get what they want.

MoS hmm archers got nerfed again i rather keep the old TS on 30 min timer atleast it gave me a chance to fight infs from a distance IE TS'ing them and start firing on them hoping for the best now at best we got 125 range on a gimped assasin so we are focked

 

[Keffo]

Can SB's pretty please shut up after being overpowered for more than a year (LA....) and abusing see hidden for around 1.5 years? SB's who never complained till LA got nerfed and then found out that sometimes inf where able to beat them... but luckily scouts still stood no chance...

And Meduza, claiming that scouts are even anywhere near uber is just retarded talk from someone who played an inf...
As long as assasins can evade 6 out of 10 shots from a buffed archer and then proceed to gank him silly through his IP they really cannot say stuff like the supposed assasin gods are trying to say in this thread...
Regards, Glottis

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