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old.Tzeentch
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so, you don't think there's anything wrong with the savage? :]
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old.Sko
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I think that mid _needs_ overpowered melee, when forced to face groups with overpowered realm abilities and classes
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old.Tzeentch
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So you agree it's overpowered.
Thread over.
Thanks for playing!
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mac_kraakebolle
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best defense + best offense coupeled with all the advantages of a hybrid tank and yet all the advantages of a heavy tank...
yeh, thats one balanced char you have there
yeh, thats one balanced char you have there
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parzi
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agree...
now when i created my savage who savage showed below 20 ppl, and now its ~50. And now ppl call me a newb, and tell me that i should stfu and i suck coz im a overpowered savage. gotta love it. hope nerf inc soon, but 1,64 4,0 speed claws inc...
btw i hope nerf will not take away determination cause that will make savages totally worthless. a thane will be better than, cause when he gets rooted he can at least cast some spells, savage would just stand around, providing nothing to the grp and doing zero damage/interupts (after tauntshout is nerfed so that it does no longer interupt).
what could be done to bring them in line is that buffs take away % of buffed hp. then it would really hurt, and maybe nerf the buffs a bit too, or possibly remove dps buff completely.
summary:
Imho savages are overpowered, but pls stop posting bullshit whines
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parzi
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oh also , dont you think the more you whine and talk about it , the more fotm players will start a savage ?
and read melachi's post too, some good facts there. but melachi your missing óne things, first that it comes at the cost of lower weaponskill in the case of hth (not in case of 2h though, nerf that too).
imo what makes savages uber is mostly savagery line. savages get the selfbuff almost for free as they pay a percentage of base hp for it, which is nothing in a grp and buffed.
while quadhits may produce big hits that cause ppl to whine big time, the average swing per round is NOT higher than dualwield/cdw. this is proven through logs. but there seems to be a bug in tripple/quadhits, cause savages quad more than they triple which cant be right, that should be changed.
So what would i suggest to nerf ?
-make 2h weapskill similar to hth
-make selfbuffs take % of buffed hp
-make it so that selfbuffs take away life when they begin.
-fix the bug with more quads then tripples, but let hits per round stay the same as other dual wield
-remove the interupt from tauntshout
-maybe remove dps buff
if that is not enough (would need to be tested, think about popping 3 buffs takes away 27% of buffed hp right from the start, it would take away ~600 hp !) reduce efficency of selfbuffs.
if you think im making a good point post it on mythic dev board and try there to get them nerfed instead of whining around here and calling me a noskilled newb etc.
and read melachi's post too, some good facts there. but melachi your missing óne things, first that it comes at the cost of lower weaponskill in the case of hth (not in case of 2h though, nerf that too).
imo what makes savages uber is mostly savagery line. savages get the selfbuff almost for free as they pay a percentage of base hp for it, which is nothing in a grp and buffed.
while quadhits may produce big hits that cause ppl to whine big time, the average swing per round is NOT higher than dualwield/cdw. this is proven through logs. but there seems to be a bug in tripple/quadhits, cause savages quad more than they triple which cant be right, that should be changed.
So what would i suggest to nerf ?
-make 2h weapskill similar to hth
-make selfbuffs take % of buffed hp
-make it so that selfbuffs take away life when they begin.
-fix the bug with more quads then tripples, but let hits per round stay the same as other dual wield
-remove the interupt from tauntshout
-maybe remove dps buff
if that is not enough (would need to be tested, think about popping 3 buffs takes away 27% of buffed hp right from the start, it would take away ~600 hp !) reduce efficency of selfbuffs.
if you think im making a good point post it on mythic dev board and try there to get them nerfed instead of whining around here and calling me a noskilled newb etc.
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old.anubis
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if there wasnt baod in other realms, yes
i would play in pbae group for sure, beeing it chanters or sms
ae stun rox
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old.anubis
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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
So you agree it's overpowered.
Thread over.
Thanks for playing!
i agreed with you
now lets close this thread and stop make others like this, ok?
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could it be....... that mids in general and savages are lying to us saying that savage doesnt need a nerf simply because they all have savage mains/alts brewing and they too want to do 1300 and brag in grp chat? I'm prolly sooooo wrong here just pretend i said nothing seriously.
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vesta
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Idiot......
There is so much you dont know shit about in this game...
edited; i went too far...better not sink down to hes level....
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horil
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Truth is glottis don't know shit about this game, never played mid?
Glottis rolled scout because they were good in beta
Glottis rolled scout because they were good in beta
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kirennia
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overpowered, pure and simple. 20% less damage from relics wouldnt make enough of a difference when you get quad hit for 1400 dmg through chain by a low rr mid. Especially when you consider 2handed armsmen hit for around 400/500 a knock with very slow weapons.
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Hestetun
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hell no they arent just that its mostley morons behind them playing. And that u mean that savages isent overpowerd just shows u got no idea about the game at all. Many in Mid agree that savages is owerpowerd tbh atleas what ive seen on IRC etc and m8
HF!!! owerpowerd Gimp!
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So what do people want mids to lvl thanes ? berserkers ? hunters ? Sbs ? not much to pick from if u wanna group :/
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Danya
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AE stun lasts like 1-2 seconds on a tank with det (such as savage), then they unstun and pwn all your pbaes and support.Originally posted by old.anubis
if there wasnt baod in other realms, yes
i would play in pbae group for sure, beeing it chanters or sms
ae stun rox
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vesta
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Mythic;.....just to keep wankers like Glottis and other random whinealot noobs out there happy, we fix mid totally since they are so overpowered that albs cant even when they are using their uber l337 skillz, their insane tactics(zerg) they still loose cuz of their stupidity......this goes for the noob hibs that cant play their classes correctly either....
So this is coming in a patch near you;
Healers; removed pac/mend/aug line totally!
Warriors; removed weaponskills
Thanes; hmmm on to next class...
SBs; removed CS/weapskill/stealth..
SMs; removed suppression/darkness lines
RMs; removed RC/dark/supp lines
Shaman; removed Aug/Cave lines
Savage; remove class from game
BD; whatever...
Hunter; removed spear/bow/stealth
Berserkers; removed hamster mode, and weapon skill
Skald; removed weapon skill and battlesongs.
But this is not enough, therefor we are removing all RAs from midgard, so the albs/hibs can consider themselves as gods in battle.
We are giving midgard a compensation tho.
ALL classes can now spec in broomstick line, this gives them as uber ability for cleaning jobs....
This has been tested on XXXXX server and it was a success...
There was a slight setback tho....
After a few months mids started to take back control.....they quickly learned how to stick the broomsticks up their enemies arses and still pwn em......
We do not know what to do next.....we are thinking of removing midgard totally from the game.....just to keep the skilless loosers happy....
So this is coming in a patch near you;
Healers; removed pac/mend/aug line totally!
Warriors; removed weaponskills
Thanes; hmmm on to next class...
SBs; removed CS/weapskill/stealth..
SMs; removed suppression/darkness lines
RMs; removed RC/dark/supp lines
Shaman; removed Aug/Cave lines
Savage; remove class from game
BD; whatever...
Hunter; removed spear/bow/stealth
Berserkers; removed hamster mode, and weapon skill
Skald; removed weapon skill and battlesongs.
But this is not enough, therefor we are removing all RAs from midgard, so the albs/hibs can consider themselves as gods in battle.
We are giving midgard a compensation tho.
ALL classes can now spec in broomstick line, this gives them as uber ability for cleaning jobs....
This has been tested on XXXXX server and it was a success...
There was a slight setback tho....
After a few months mids started to take back control.....they quickly learned how to stick the broomsticks up their enemies arses and still pwn em......
We do not know what to do next.....we are thinking of removing midgard totally from the game.....just to keep the skilless loosers happy....
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elerand
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And this is partly the largest problem, mid has had a massive advantage with zerkers and savages both attacking VERY fast with comparable dmg to users of slow weapons.
Zerkers will be at the lvl of BM's soon, still good for something although savage is more attractive as they will be more like zerker pre-nerf.
Now what savages need isn't a change in their definition as a tank/hybrid but a balancing of dmg over time/front load.
Typically mythic would probably nerf dmg outright, I don't see anything wrong with savages hitting hard, on some occasions, just not as consistently as we see right now, it's a slap in the face to heavy tanks tbh when you can attack twice as fast for so much more dmg, tonight in an rvr grp a BM was quad hit 3 times in what basically amounted to 5 rounds.
Compared to this enchanters are mewling newborn kittens, stun is no defense, the pet might make a difference with the snare but in fg rvr that's not likely to be an issues, BAOD is no defense, MOC? Sorry but you need to be alive to use it and PBAOE
Maybe a dmg nerf IS called for on savages, I say leave frontloaded in the 2-h arena, without allowing haste to totally nerf fast 1-h attacks, dmg over time shouldn't even up over a 30 sec period, it should be a bit faster than that to allow for the rvr pace, it's bad scaling.
A haste/quick review and then an analysis of how that affects frontloaded dmg vs dmg over time would be a wonderful thing!
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old.Sko
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nerf baod/bof/sos first.
when hibs/albs are left without godmode, then we can talk. until then ...
when hibs/albs are left without godmode, then we can talk. until then ...
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Driwen
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frontloading means you are going for slowest weapon and no quickness. H2H savages usually go for capped quickness and want to swing as fast as possible, they are definatly not frontloading in the sense of the definition. Off course if they start off with a quad then you have a nice first hit, but it could also be a single one. So dont really see how H2H savages are frontloading..
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To all"savage is overpowered" whiners die irl :>
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katt!
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you are teh exception garnet. 50 dark savages suck
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Garnet
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Originally posted by katt!
you are teh exception garnet. 50 dark savages suck
but....but..........
nerf Jedis :/
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vintervargen
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about the Zerker whines, you mids said they sacrifice defense for great dmg output.
savages sacrifices what?
savages sacrifices what?
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vintervargen
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yeah, baod is what makes hibs win ever fight atm, rofl
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old.Sko
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every time hibs without RAs == 100% dead hibs.
hibs with RAs - not decided outcome.
conclusion. overpowered melee is balanced with overpowered RAs.
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piggeman
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Funny :lol:
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old.Atrox
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hmm HP ?
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vintervargen
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and insta ae stun?
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vintervargen
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imo they seem to have at least close to 2k hp. and it doest really matter when you cant fucking hit them.
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old.Sko
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if now someone is going to whine about overpowered healers ....