[Tinfoil hat] The Pentagon

[Maxgirth]

that means you have no answers.

Every answer you`ll need, and tbh wtf is the point, a good witness becomes random noob army guy lol just lol.

Channel: socialservice on LiveVideo.com

There`s plenty of videos here..

 

[Maxgirth]

wow what a coincidence.


Channel: socialservice on LiveVideo.com

Talking of coincidence, now this was lucky from the F.B.I. again wandering around this smallish place....

http://www.afghansite.com/afghanistan/photos/satelite/jalalabad.jpg

And found this video tape of Bin Laden, how fucking lucky was that, doesn`t matter if the guy looks fuck all like him, and writes with the wrong hand, if the good old USA says it Bin Laden, it`s Bin Laden.

NPR: America Responds - Osama bin Laden Videotape

 

[Bugz]

Max I think there's two things that are at play here.

a) You claiming someone apart from terrorists initiated the attack of 9/11
b) You claiming the media and govt. cover up stuff / don't do things by the book.

Part b) I agree with, but the evidence for a) is basically a to-and-fro battle of facts versus facts. If we took this to be a hypothesis test, with the null hypothesis being: terrorists did the attacks, and the alternative hypothesis being: the govt did the attacks, there simply isn't enough of a significance for the null hypothesis to be disproven (if that at all makes sense).

The American govt. are guilty of a lot of things: manipulation of the media and manipulation of the people as one of them, but they are not, IMO, guilty of initiating 9/11.

 

[Sparx]

Well if you want to be pedantic they did initiate it by putting Bin Laden and friends into power.

 

[Maxgirth]

Max I think there's two things that are at play here.

a) You claiming someone apart from terrorists initiated the attack of 9/11
b) You claiming the media and govt. cover up stuff / don't do things by the book.

Part b) I agree with, but the evidence for a) is basically a to-and-fro battle of facts versus facts. If we took this to be a hypothesis test, with the null hypothesis being: terrorists did the attacks, and the alternative hypothesis being: the govt did the attacks, there simply isn't enough of a significance for the null hypothesis to be disproven (if that at all makes sense).

The American govt. are guilty of a lot of things: manipulation of the media and manipulation of the people as one of them, but they are not, IMO, guilty of initiating 9/11.

There is definately something wrong here, we`ll never know what happened but and it`s a huge but there seems to be evidence to back up every single angle of it being an undercover job, and next to none apart from the supposed dead terrorists passports etc of the case for, even though some of the accused are still alive and well living in Saudi, watch the video of the blatantly edited news reel videos and there`s links for the actual archives footage, how can anyone argue with facts like these?.

Anyways cheers .

 

[Calaen]

Talking of coincidence, now this was lucky from the F.B.I. again wandering around this smallish place....

http://www.afghansite.com/afghanistan/photos/satelite/jalalabad.jpg

And found this video tape of Bin Laden, how fucking lucky was that, doesn`t matter if the guy looks fuck all like him, and writes with the wrong hand, if the good old USA says it Bin Laden, it`s Bin Laden.

NPR: America Responds - Osama bin Laden Videotape

You are no more credible, where is this guy? where is his picture? Why has he not flown to another country and got his so called eye witness account on national TV? take your head out of the sand it's insane that you actually believe some random web page and cannot think for yourself.

 

[Maxgirth]

You are no more credible, where is this guy? where is his picture? Why has he not flown to another country and got his so called eye witness account on national TV? take your head out of the sand it's insane that you actually believe some random web page and cannot think for yourself.

America declared war on Afghanistan on the sole evidence of this tape, who has their head in the sand and don`t even get me started on thinking for myself.

America said terrorists were to blame for 9/11, how much thinking have you done.

Seriously.

How much.

Or are news reel archive footages of a plane hitting a building going straight through it, even though when the video is rewound a few seconds there is no plane to be seen whatsoever.

Head - sand - pot - kettle - black.

P.S. There`s loads of witnesses stating they saw no plane, or something that looked like a missile, and a commissioner from NIST mistakenly uses the word missile instead of plane on a live T.V. interview.

Maybe remove head from sand and look at factual news archives, is a good start.

 

[Calaen]

Governments love dangling carrots for idiots.

 

[tris-]

Every answer you`ll need, and tbh wtf is the point, a good witness becomes random noob army guy lol just lol.

Channel: socialservice on LiveVideo.com

There`s plenty of videos here..

Can you provide proof beyond all reasonable doubt that what you think happened is what actually happened?
i dont care what random internet strangers have to say, making a video does not mean you know what youre on about.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

You are no more credible, where is this guy? where is his picture? Why has he not flown to another country and got his so called eye witness account on national TV? take your head out of the sand it's insane that you actually believe some random web page and cannot think for yourself.

As surprising as it may be, you and I are in agreement here!

How are you likeing the 1.3 WE changes btw? Not gotten to test them yet on my WH.

 

[Marc]

Was that 6 inch think tempered steel surrounded in asbestos?.

Did it also make a bridge next to it collapse also... oh wait.

I dont know. You are claiming burning fuel cant melt steel. I just showed it can. How do you know the initial crash didnt strip the fire proofing off the steel, as has been claimed by experts.

Im still waiting for an answer from you about these 1000's of witnesses who saw the planes crash into the towers. How do you explain that one?

 

[Raven]

On its own aviation fuel can't burn steel, it simply doesn't burn hot enough, however neither can wood/coal melt iron or steel which is why they go into a furnace with fuck loads of air flowing through it, feeding the fire. Which is what happened with the towers I imagine, the lift shafts acted like a chimney sucking the air through feeding the fire, the asbestos and shit probably helped keep the heat in.

 

[Marc]

Every answer you`ll need, and tbh wtf is the point, a good witness becomes random noob army guy lol just lol.

Channel: socialservice on LiveVideo.com

There`s plenty of videos here..

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

Do you even bother to search for explanations or do you just see some stupid video made by an idiot and take it as gospel

 

[Jeros]

Look at all the plane wrekage

I guess you could make a case for there being evidence of two fires casued by the engines on either side of the main maelstrom

Also

YouTube - The pentagon was not hit by a airliner. See for yourself

Talking about the dimensions of the plane and the fuel on board

 

[Zede]

how about a compromise.


yes it was a plane, but one set to detonate on impact(insert appropriate explosive), solves both problems !

 

[Maxgirth]

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

Do you even bother to search for explanations or do you just see some stupid video made by an idiot and take it as gospel

Like this video you mean? obviously yet another *Fake*, really cannot believe that all the government officials involved with all this haven`t taken the makers of these blatantly doctored videos to the cleaners curtesy of Americas stringent defamation etc laws....

YouTube - Eyes Wide Shut: Gross Negligence with NIST Denial of Molten Metal on 9/11

That`s evidence of edited videos, videos containing eye witness accounts of events happening that are hotly under dispute, aluminium wings cutting through tempered steel like the proverbial hot knife, who is seriously believing stuff made by idiots here?.

Laws of physics, denial of evidence re the Nist report, nearly every single eye witness shown by the top 5 news companies works for the news companies or government agencies.

If only some independent specialists from neutral Countries would do some research and post their findings with a none prejudiced vantage....

Neils Harrit Interview – NanoThermite and 9/11 Where Conspiracy and Reality Collide

 

[kiliarien]

Oh come on people, want we REALLY want to see is technology used for USEFUL purposes in destructive terms. Hence:

YouTube - Brainiac-Challenger2 vs Safe

I just looked at it for a laugh but then loved the Arabic subtitles. The question is, what does it say, is it:

a) Al-Qaeda brothers! Be wary of the metal death!!

b) This is the Shiekh Abdullah Shopping Channel, to order 1 of these press your red interactive button NOW! (Safe not included)

c) The lesser-spotted camel can be found across scrubland areas at the foot of the Atlas Mountains...erm....wait a minute.....is this a live recording? I think we're playing the wrong clip, someone check with the VT guy.

Maybe I should have made this a poll (Yes, I'm bored).

 

[Marc]

Like this video you mean? obviously yet another *Fake*, really cannot believe that all the government officials involved with all this haven`t taken the makers of these blatantly doctored videos to the cleaners curtesy of Americas stringent defamation etc laws....

YouTube - Eyes Wide Shut: Gross Negligence with NIST Denial of Molten Metal on 9/11

That`s evidence of edited videos, videos containing eye witness accounts of events happening that are hotly under dispute, aluminium wings cutting through tempered steel like the proverbial hot knife, who is seriously believing stuff made by idiots here?.

Laws of physics, denial of evidence re the Nist report, nearly every single eye witness shown by the top 5 news companies works for the news companies or government agencies.

If only some independent specialists from neutral Countries would do some research and post their findings with a none prejudiced vantage....

Neils Harrit Interview – NanoThermite and 9/11 Where Conspiracy and Reality Collide

There are plenty of theories for all of this, located on the internet. However, I want you to answer me 2 questions now, withour linking to some idiotic youtube video that proves nothing.

1. What about the 1000's of witnesses who saw the planes crash into the towers. How have they been kept quiet?

2. If it wasnt a plane, what was it?

 

[Lethul]

I must say this is the worst proof on the page pasted a while back

Flight 77 Debris
Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"


FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

 

[Maxgirth]

There are plenty of theories for all of this, located on the internet. However, I want you to answer me 2 questions now, withour linking to some idiotic youtube video that proves nothing.

1. What about the 1000's of witnesses who saw the planes crash into the towers. How have they been kept quiet?

2. If it wasnt a plane, what was it?

1. There was never *1000`s* of eye witnesses stating it was planes there were around 15-25 stating planes, the use of youtube to link videos is quite common being as it is the largest free video hosting site on the internet.

Random eye witness that doesn`t work for any of the 5 government run news companies, take careful notice of when she states the F.B.I. Officer telling her she saw a 757 and not a light aircraft...

Susan McElwain, missile eyewitness at Shanksville - Channel: killtown on LiveVideo.com

A random eye witness (actor) contradicting his story, this guy`s story changes every time he opens his mouth, he didn`t see anything whatsoever but has done many T.V. interviews.....

LiveLeak.com - Fake Footage Blasted: 911 TV Eyewitness Saw No Plane

Now if you actually look at one of my replies instead of spouting the normal crap you won`t have to ask question 2 again, read these accounts, especially from the relatives of those killed in the towers, you want none government related eye witness accounts or from none actors, you can find it all here........

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

There`s also some interesting interviews with military personal.

Now i`ll ask for 2 questions...

Bearing in mind you believe the governments and Nists accounts of events this fateful day, show me the evidence that inspired your beliefs...

But please no........

1. Government employed eye witnesses.

2. No terrorist passports from the nineteen found miracously by the F.B.I., but you can if you want include any from this 19 that are still alive and well and living in Saudi Arabia.

3. Feel free to include the video found once again by the F.B.I. clearly showing Bin Laden writing with the wrong hand.

There obviously must be some hard core evidence backing your beliefs, let`s see it .

 

[Maxgirth]

I must say this is the worst proof on the page pasted a while back

Flight 77 Debris
Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"


FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

Fact is serious business yes?, dead body parts and plane debris prove what exactly?.

Now go dig up some proper material.

 

[Maxgirth]

Amazingly... Everyone whom disputes my beliefs have once again posted nothing whatsoever to enforce theirs, why is this exactly?, my beliefs are based on irregular twists of basic physics (3 towers demolished by 2 planes), shoddy eye witness accounts and absolutely no evidence whatsoever this was done by terrorists.

But after all this it boils down to none of us are experts in these fields, it is down to our opinions and ours only.

However when you have ex - high ranking government officials coming forth with their concerns then surely it is time to open your eyes.......

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Counterterrorism_Veterans.pdf

All of you have ridiculed me of which that is your choice, but none, absolutely zilch, have offered anything whatsoever enforcing your views.

 

[Maxgirth]

Oh forgot to add this earlier......

At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive

 

[soze]

The whole point of a suicide bomber (which the planes were) is that they can't be proved as there is no suspect. If you really think the Video of Bin Laden is fake and he had nothing to do with the attach why has he not come out and said so. I'm sorry but I'm going with occam's razor here.

“The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is most likely the correct explanation."

Planes flown by terrorists is much more simple than the whole mass coverup just to wage war idea.

 

[Marc]

Jesus christ, when it happened new york had thousands of people on the streets. Do you think they all missed it? Countless news agencies had so many different people stating it was a plane. When you hear a plane comming in so low you arent going to just carry on reading your paper are you.

You have to be pretty retarded to think anything other than a plane hit the twin towers

 

[Calaen]

Jesus christ, you are dillusional.

 

[Wonk]

Joor is losing.

 

[Maxgirth]

Jesus fucking christ, still absolutely nothing at all to back up the case for, i`ll pop back in a few days to see if there`s anything worth debating, no one commenting on the ex security high ranking officers whom know a whole lot more than we`ll ever know!!!!!!!!!.

7 terrorists still alive.

News coverage censorship.

Witnesses clearly stating that if anything it was a small plane.

Fireman openly declaring on radios that only 2 lines were needed as the fire was not intense (3 buildings collapsed by 2 planes due to intense heat).

Pilots, engineers, physics experts openly stating that what happened that day was impossible.

40 plus ex security forces whom know in great detail how the O.P. in such cases are dealt with including air defence etc openly requesting a new inquiry as the Nist backed one is horrendously flawed.

Nist representitives being proved completely wrong and again overlooking important parts of the whole scenario.

Not one defamation case has arisen via the accusations aimed at certain commissioners.

The fake Bin Laden video. (you may want to check the voice analysis on this tape).

Actor witnesses tying themselves up their own arses.

All 5 news companies showing the exact same *live* coverage.

B.B.C. News Stating a tower had collapsed 20 minutes before it did.

The laws of physics and gravity broken.

If the buildings were brought down by something they were engineered to withstand then surely the architects responsible should be facing charges of gross negligence.

^ As should be the top ranking security officers.

Tens of millions of dollars made through put options on the stock market.

The lease holder of the complex explicitly heard regarding tower 7 to `Pull it`.

Nano Thermite found in every single dust particle from tower tops to ground zero, independent specialists have also tested positive with the same tests.

Increased insurance cover against terrorist attacks just prior to 9/11.

Cybil Edwards and the Freedom of Information Act, completely ignored by the F.B.I.

And fuck loads more.

Case for - Bush said it was the Muslims, backed by the government run media, all the independent media companies were censured and put off air.

Someone call me delusional btw? lmfao.

Now i`ll ask one more time, no personal insults which ofc is a fantastic way of putting an argument across, want to debate?, do it like grown ups... we`ll call this raw facts, still have not seen one, from any of you.

/sigh

Would expect so much better from half educated people.

 

[Sparx]

fuck off already

 

[Marc]

You havent posted any facts. Just videos of hearsay and supposed evidence that has been disproved all over the internet.

It was a plane, end of.