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Well NP did try alb at least 
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Pandemic
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pbaoe by a long way
beats me on the rest as i play a warrior
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:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
zerg sucks all the way I dont givf fuck about anything else , zerg sucks now fuck off mid zerger and alb zerger!
zerg sucks all the way I dont givf fuck about anything else , zerg sucks now fuck off mid zerger and alb zerger!
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old.anubis
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hib (ench, eld) = pbae AND decent nukes
mid either pbae OR n00k
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uhm afaik midgard on US servers are empty, Albs hold str relics on almost every server. Midgard has level /30 on 7(?) servers.
US ppl are tards. after less then 3 months Excalibur was already the most active RvR server in the world, can't find that statspage anymore but i'm sure it still is. Excalibur RvR > all.
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Pandemic
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which just goes to show it aint class balance as to why albion sucks on the excaliber server so stop using that as an excuse as to why ur crap
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Jiggs
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must be my imagination when BF had our grp up and made 3rd highest guild rlms on server for about a month between like 8 or 9 individual players
we never beat anyone it was all a dream
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Pandemic
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Originally posted by Jiggs
must be my imagination when BF had our grp up and made 3rd highest guild rlms on server for about a month between like 8 or 9 individual players
we never beat anyone it was all a dream
guess it was mate all we hear from u is endless cries of how overpowered midgard is and u can never beat 1fg vs 1fg makes me laugh that
if u learn how to play it is possible to beat midgard in a 1fg vs 1 fg fight quite easily
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hotrat
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Mid has the highest damage pbae.Originally posted by Pandemic
pbaoe by a long way
Chanter has decent pbae and a 179 delve baseline nuke in a different line to the pbae (same as SM). Chanter gets resist debuffs to its ranged nuke, sm gets debuffs for its pbae, pretty similar, in 1.65 I would prefer a SM, atm the 500 dmg ranged nuke of chanter wins me over, just.
Eld has decent pbae and a 179 spec nuke with snare, and also ae str/con debuff like SM. However SM does get the intercepting pet, and considering shaman has ae disease I would still favour an SM cus the pet intercept is so nice.
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hahahahaha
WE HAF SKILLZ!!!1!
WE HAF SKILLZ!!!1!
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old.anubis
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debuff for pbae? are you sane?
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tildson
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Hardest group is hib caster-group!
debuff pbae? well, thats "fortehwin"/only way to beat tankgroups
higher delve on SM? 325 compared to 331, sure doesnt make the SM's better - and im sure SM's cant debuff and nuke baseline nukes for a minimum of 500 every 1.5sec either! the combination an Enchanter has, is also what makes them "overpowered"
i totally agree on that its easier to play a midgroup good, but a good albgroup SHOULD kill a midgroup WITH RA's up. The trade would be interesting, unfortunately its not possible
without RA's, the midgroup will beat the hib and alb's with a huge marginal.
debuff pbae? well, thats "fortehwin"/only way to beat tankgroups
higher delve on SM? 325 compared to 331, sure doesnt make the SM's better - and im sure SM's cant debuff and nuke baseline nukes for a minimum of 500 every 1.5sec either! the combination an Enchanter has, is also what makes them "overpowered"
i totally agree on that its easier to play a midgroup good, but a good albgroup SHOULD kill a midgroup WITH RA's up. The trade would be interesting, unfortunately its not possible
without RA's, the midgroup will beat the hib and alb's with a huge marginal.
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Thamiles
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Albs are greatly overpowered in whining tbh.
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old.anubis
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hibs as well
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hotrat
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In a 3 sm group i would spec 2 sm's full supp and the third 41 supp 35 dark for the second spirit debuff and second best pbae.#
Chanter gets very nerfed in 1.65 and can only get 2 debuffed nukes in and the heat debuff only takes em down to 0% rather than -% resists.
A good analogy is:
Mid fg's are like a fully buffed rr10 SB
Alb fg's are like a unbuffed rr10 Minstrel
If the minstrel has all his RA's up (IP, AP3, SoS, FA2, Purge) he can prolly win, if they are down he has no chance.
Chanter gets very nerfed in 1.65 and can only get 2 debuffed nukes in and the heat debuff only takes em down to 0% rather than -% resists.
A good analogy is:
Mid fg's are like a fully buffed rr10 SB
Alb fg's are like a unbuffed rr10 Minstrel
If the minstrel has all his RA's up (IP, AP3, SoS, FA2, Purge) he can prolly win, if they are down he has no chance.
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As I said, I don't play DAoC to earn any respect, and yes I did left to play a savage (didn't reroll it, took over a rl friend's account who stopped playing along with a lvl 50 wizard on the same account).
As I said, I knew you would call me arrogant because I claimed to be a good player but there was a tad of sarcasm there (in all my post btw, if you haven't guessed).
I've seen FC's best groups run, I've seen BF's best groups run, and yep when they have all RAs up and don't do any big mistake they win, but if they happen to do one mistake (in assisting or burning an insta heal on someone who just IPed for example) the Mid group will win. And when happens if they have another fight 5 mins later now that their RA's are down. Typical Mid group always run with with crack 4 and regen 3 at least and don't have any long timer RA to rely on meaning 2 minutes later they're up and ready for another fight. Midgard is the realm best suited for the "Ganking in Emain" RvR type which is currently 99% of the RvR on DAoC. If an upcoming patch revamped keep taking and defending, I guess Midgard would be in bad shape and Albion and especially Hibernia would get the upper hand due to their higher amount of casters.
Midgard is the easiest realm for Emain and other gank type rvr. Any fool who doesn't agree with that haven't RvRed on another realm.
When I claim to be to be a skilled player I don't mean I have a RR10 char and have explored the game in a particular field and in depth, but the fact I have RvRed with lvl 50 chars on all 3 servers, and that my highest char is RR7 gives me a rather wide knowledge of the game, wide enough to allow me to compare based on me playing a realm/class and not watching others playing it. I am the most effective (in terms of RPs per hour) on Midgard, funny isn't it ?
About Pandemic saying Midgard is losing on US servers, this is just a matter of population, it doesn't make my statement about Midgard being easier to play / more powerful wrong. Of course Albion will win when Albion is running as 3 fg and Midgard 1.
So please think twice before posting something pointless like that next time. Fyi, on Broceliande Albion is the most populated realm nd has less RPs than Midgard and as much as Hibernia (which is the least populated realm). On Ys, Alb and Mid populations are almost the same yet Midgard and Hibernia have earned much more RPs than Albion. (I'm not talking of average RPs per character, but total RPs of the realm : by adding all RPs per char).
Sure NP and JH probably got better than other Mids from playing together for a while but did it make them better than Konah/Quicksilver/Fedaykin/Strondor etc who RvR together a LOT ?
And a counter-example : when Gunnerr left GoL for BF, his new guild groups were already among the best Alb groups although he hasn't been playing a lot with his new guildies.
NP and JH being the top mid gank groups doesn't prove they're skilled/good players it just proves they're better than the other mid groups. We'll never know whether they're better than the best FC/GoL/HB/BF or LA/VGN/CF groups unless realms were 100% equal in classes / RAs / styles / armor tables etc.
As I said, I knew you would call me arrogant because I claimed to be a good player but there was a tad of sarcasm there (in all my post btw, if you haven't guessed).
I've seen FC's best groups run, I've seen BF's best groups run, and yep when they have all RAs up and don't do any big mistake they win, but if they happen to do one mistake (in assisting or burning an insta heal on someone who just IPed for example) the Mid group will win. And when happens if they have another fight 5 mins later now that their RA's are down. Typical Mid group always run with with crack 4 and regen 3 at least and don't have any long timer RA to rely on meaning 2 minutes later they're up and ready for another fight. Midgard is the realm best suited for the "Ganking in Emain" RvR type which is currently 99% of the RvR on DAoC. If an upcoming patch revamped keep taking and defending, I guess Midgard would be in bad shape and Albion and especially Hibernia would get the upper hand due to their higher amount of casters.
Midgard is the easiest realm for Emain and other gank type rvr. Any fool who doesn't agree with that haven't RvRed on another realm.
When I claim to be to be a skilled player I don't mean I have a RR10 char and have explored the game in a particular field and in depth, but the fact I have RvRed with lvl 50 chars on all 3 servers, and that my highest char is RR7 gives me a rather wide knowledge of the game, wide enough to allow me to compare based on me playing a realm/class and not watching others playing it. I am the most effective (in terms of RPs per hour) on Midgard, funny isn't it ?
About Pandemic saying Midgard is losing on US servers, this is just a matter of population, it doesn't make my statement about Midgard being easier to play / more powerful wrong. Of course Albion will win when Albion is running as 3 fg and Midgard 1.
So please think twice before posting something pointless like that next time. Fyi, on Broceliande Albion is the most populated realm nd has less RPs than Midgard and as much as Hibernia (which is the least populated realm). On Ys, Alb and Mid populations are almost the same yet Midgard and Hibernia have earned much more RPs than Albion. (I'm not talking of average RPs per character, but total RPs of the realm : by adding all RPs per char).
Sure NP and JH probably got better than other Mids from playing together for a while but did it make them better than Konah/Quicksilver/Fedaykin/Strondor etc who RvR together a LOT ?
And a counter-example : when Gunnerr left GoL for BF, his new guild groups were already among the best Alb groups although he hasn't been playing a lot with his new guildies.
NP and JH being the top mid gank groups doesn't prove they're skilled/good players it just proves they're better than the other mid groups. We'll never know whether they're better than the best FC/GoL/HB/BF or LA/VGN/CF groups unless realms were 100% equal in classes / RAs / styles / armor tables etc.
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lmao, RG+BC holding hands in emain runing 2fg. u know whats funny? u still got ur asses handed to u now and then by either FC or BF.
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Jiggs
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Gunnerr played with BF since forever
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Just SHUT UP ALREADY about this, Pandemic, you have already been proven WRONG! For GOD'S sake.
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you have a lot to learn young padwan...
edit: i suddenly realised something ...
i think pandemic is not so good a player that why he says midgaard is so easy to beat when you learn how to play...
and thats partially true .....
becuase the random mid and unskilled mid groups DOES sux a lot ...
the problem is those mids who can use the abilities to the utter most ....
and to be honest some mids on excalibur are really good (like their hib and alb counter parts)
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Pandemic
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eh ? how ? it states so in the game manual on pages 51 and 52 not quite sure how that proves me wrong. maybe you should learn to read mate ?
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Pandemic
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very true the fg of FC, BF, and the many other alb fg adds do beat 2 fg of mids
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Pandemic
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yep agreed on all of that
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where are all those zerkers we used to see on top of the list btw ?
nerf zzang imo (at least you got the guts not to go fotm) ^^
nerf zzang imo (at least you got the guts not to go fotm) ^^
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ROFL... do I really need to comment that ? I don't judge the game based on what I can read on books written by Mythic employees, I judge the game based on what players do with the system Mythic has created, a system that has done 2 things :
a. Emain the number 1 ground for RvR
and b. Midgard the best realm for this kind of RvR
We all know the best midgard groups are deadliest. And this is true on ALL servers, no matter relics or population. But this in no way proves that the best midgard groups are the most skilled / best players.
Alpha is arguably one of the best players of DAoC (all servers all realms) making of what was called a "gimped class" (minstrels) a real monster killing machine. Now I wonder how deadly would the player behind Alpha be if he was playing a powerful Midgard class (healer, savage, etc.)
Now about someone saying Hib casters are better than other casters... man try Hibernia, or read Eld/Ment TL reports. Also tell me why Albion has 4 casters and Hibernia 3 when Hibernia is supposed to be the magic realm. There's no explanation to this, the game is as it is, and players do their best with what is given to them. Mythic themselves can never anticipate at 100% the impact of an ability or spell or anything when put in the hand of the real players. Mythic has designed the game and realms hoping they'd be as balanced as possible. But since each realm is (wanted to be) unique, in the end there'll always be an advantaged realm in RvR. I remember back in 1.40 to 1.51 (before determination was introduced) when casters ruled RvR and therefore Hibernia (not because hib casters are really better but because Hibernia was the realm that has casters the most in terms of population), helped by "I win" buttons such as Group Purge or BAoD (50% magic resist). Later, the game evolved in such a path that it made Midgard the best realm.
I guess this is meant, to keep players' interest in the game.
Back to the point, Midgard is (atm) definitely the best/easiest realm. And any good midgard group beats about anything.
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just put up the question, who should win if you could make a copy of your grp and paste it as an fg in each realm
np [alb] vs np [mid] with ras up
np [alb] vs np [hib] with ras up
np [hib] vs np [mid] with ras up
np [alb] vs np [mid] no ras
np [alb] vs np [hib] no ras
np [hib] vs np [mid] no ras
About the topic... midgardian savage grps got it all easy (a tank that doesnt require end regen, outdamages casters, got very good defense, cheap tank ra's). Then the two best CC classes ingame (healer, shaman) and a skald which is the only not overpowered char in the grp. An alb grp without bof or sos up, cant really beat a good mid grp if they dont screw something up bigtime. Same goes for a hib grp vs a mid grp, no grp purge byez /release time... no idea about hib tank grp but imo that would suck aswell. Insert Berserkers or Warriors instead of savages that should make the game more balanced... but then l33t mid grps could get wiped, so i see the point why jh not running without savages . Lots of good players in midgard, but at the current state of the game, they got it easy and its silly to argue about that.
np [alb] vs np [mid] with ras up
np [alb] vs np [hib] with ras up
np [hib] vs np [mid] with ras up
np [alb] vs np [mid] no ras
np [alb] vs np [hib] no ras
np [hib] vs np [mid] no ras
About the topic... midgardian savage grps got it all easy (a tank that doesnt require end regen, outdamages casters, got very good defense, cheap tank ra's). Then the two best CC classes ingame (healer, shaman) and a skald which is the only not overpowered char in the grp
. An alb grp without bof or sos up, cant really beat a good mid grp if they dont screw something up bigtime. Same goes for a hib grp vs a mid grp, no grp purge byez /release time... no idea about hib tank grp but imo that would suck aswell. Insert Berserkers or Warriors instead of savages that should make the game more balanced... but then l33t mid grps could get wiped, so i see the point why jh not running without savages . Lots of good players in midgard, but at the current state of the game, they got it easy and its silly to argue about that.
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zerging=few rps im afraid :\
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hmm maybe , but there is no 1 else that geeks as much as NP&JH xD
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Arnor
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THAT ofc is no denying
but its all a question of priorities etc
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kinda funny when you call someone geek when u are playing the same game ^^