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Twitch faces backlash over Amazon using content to train AI

Users of the popular streaming platform criticised allowing Amazon to use their data by dafault.
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Dangerous times. Avoid avoid avoid. I have deleted everything, got myself down to just YouTube, which is the last addiction to kick, and I am doing well with that, I hardly bother now, except a few informative channels.
 
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Raven said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Twitch faces backlash over Amazon using content to train AI

Users of the popular streaming platform criticised allowing Amazon to use their data by dafault.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Dangerous times. Avoid avoid avoid. I have deleted everything, got myself down to just YouTube, which is the last addiction to kick, and I am doing well with that, I hardly bother now, except a few informative channels.
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The only surprising thing about that is they made their intent public and they haven't done it already. The entire AI industry is built on stealing as much proprietary IP content as they can, and then letting the lawyers deal with the fall-out afterwards if they get caught.
 
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Raven said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Twitch faces backlash over Amazon using content to train AI

Users of the popular streaming platform criticised allowing Amazon to use their data by dafault.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Dangerous times. Avoid avoid avoid. I have deleted everything, got myself down to just YouTube, which is the last addiction to kick, and I am doing well with that, I hardly bother now, except a few informative channels.
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It's Amazon; what did people expect?
 
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To be honest - the press coverage was brutal. His face all over it.

I know he was a cunt but I'm not actually that surprised. He may have been the poster boy - but people pushing DEI at all costs should have been fronting for this, rather than him.
 
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Only 1% of professors are black, with a population that is 4.2% black, something isn't quite right there. You don't fix it by forcing square pegs into round holes. Fix the cause of that disparity. Social and cultural issues are the cause, if young black kids (particularly boys) are mostly ignored and left to the gangs, then they aren't going to be getting on the education pathways at an early age.
 
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Only 1% of professors are black
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Only 13% of professors are from working class backgrounds.

Fuck race and sex quotas. That is just more racism and sexism.

You're right that it is social and cultural. But it's also economic. We need to provide more opportunity.

But professors largely come from family structures that are intellectually focussed. This is desireable - because their focus and behaviour, their 'gut reaction' to issues should be to think more. That trait makes them suited to the academic environment.

Dumb DEI representation policies are not only racist, but they promote the wrong sort of people to academia - that is necessarily and correctly a little bit (but not wholly) "ivory tower".

Exceptional people can, and should, make it. We need our economics to enable a wider pool to choose from. But quotas for race and representation should be nowhere near that space - as all of society benefits from the highest intellectual rigour and intense meritocracy.

When we seriously consider arguments about representation for academia all we do is dumb down the whole human endeavour.
 
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To be honest - the press coverage was brutal. His face all over it.

I know he was a cunt but I'm not actually that surprised. He may have been the poster boy - but people pushing DEI at all costs should have been fronting for this, rather than him.
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It was excessive press coverage, the ironic thing is that the right-wing media was so ferocious about it being a DEI hire that it made me wonder if they would have made as much out of it if it was a white bloke who lied/exaggerated.
 
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It was excessive press coverage, the ironic thing is that the right-wing media was so ferocious about it being a DEI hire that it made me wonder if they would have made as much out of it if it was a white bloke who lied/exaggerated.
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Of course they wouldn't. It would have been reported but probably with a completely different tone.
 
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It was excessive press coverage, the ironic thing is that the right-wing media was so ferocious about it being a DEI hire that it made me wonder if they would have made as much out of it if it was a white bloke who lied/exaggerated.
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The white male wouldn't have made it there because of racist and sexist DEI policies.

The outrage here isn't about that he lied - it's about multiple people and institutions turning blind eyes to shoehorn a black liar into a position of responsibility because he was black.

He was used as the poster boy and by all accounts happy to be that. So forgive the outrage in the reporting because when millions of white people are discriminated against because of racist policies, when millions of white people get told how institutionally racist tgey are, how they've got so much white privilege, that women, people of colour, disabled people should get jobs ahead of you, because of what they are, instead of what they can do, you're going to have some outpouring of justified rage.

None of the news outlets were racist btw. The guardian led with him as headline I think almost performatively on multiple days, whereas the torygraph and it's ilk actually went easier.
 
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Only 1% of professors are black, with a population that is 4.2% black, something isn't quite right there. You don't fix it by forcing square pegs into round holes. Fix the cause of that disparity. Social and cultural issues are the cause, if young black kids (particularly boys) are mostly ignored and left to the gangs, then they aren't going to be getting on the education pathways at an early age.
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It's more complicated than that; average age of newly appointed university professor in the UK is 50-55, so you have to look back to the ethnography of the 1970s, not today. Black professors would still be underrepresented, but by much less, and Asian professors (9% of current population and professors) are almost certainly overrepresented. Obviously there are foreign born professors that skew the numbers a bit, but that applies to the "white" professors as well.

The Ardy situation is so much worse because if he'd been white the chances of even being considered for a professorship at Cambridge in his mid-twenties would have effectively been zero, even before you get to the obvious inconsistencies in his backstory.
 
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The Ardy situation is so much worse because if he'd been white the chances of even being considered for a professorship at Cambridge in his mid-twenties would have effectively been zero, even before you get to the obvious inconsistencies in his backstory.
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100%.

And the obviousness of it. The biggest crime was the rolling out of an uncritical red carpet and the silencing of critical voices.
 
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100%.

And the obviousness of it. The biggest crime was the rolling out of an uncritical red carpet and the silencing of critical voices.
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I mean the bloke who went after him was a 'race realist' who suggests that some races are intellectually inferior by nature and not by environmental conditions...
 
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I mean the bloke who went after him was a 'race realist' who suggests that some races are intellectually inferior by nature and not by environmental conditions...
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Which bloke have you found here? Link?

As far as I'm aware, every national paper had him all over their front pages for weeks. The guardian most of all. And it was press coverage that primarily contributed to his suicide - not academics.

And if your assertion is right (and from what I've read it's a stretch as multiple people objected) and the very first guy who raised objections to him was a racist cunt who's only reason he went after him was because he was black, then said racist cunt would have gotten nowhere.

But it turns out Arday was a lying fraudulent cunt. It's a tragedy that he's killed himself (after awful press coverage - especially in the grauniad) but you know, you choose your lying lifestyle, you might get found out. And if he'd done nothing wrong the academic community would have rallied around him in his defence, he'd still be in his job and it wouldn't have made the press.

But he was a lying fraudulent cunt.
 
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Which bloke have you found here? Link?

As far as I'm aware, every national paper had him all over their front pages for weeks. The guardian most of all. And it was press coverage that primarily contributed to his suicide - not academics.

And if your assertion is right (and from what I've read it's a stretch as multiple people objected) and the very first guy who raised objections to him was a racist cunt who's only reason he went after him was because he was black, then said racist cunt would have gotten nowhere.

But it turns out Arday was a lying fraudulent cunt. It's a tragedy that he's killed himself (after awful press coverage - especially in the grauniad) but you know, you choose your lying lifestyle, you might get found out. And if he'd done nothing wrong the academic community would have rallied around him in his defence, he'd still be in his job and it wouldn't have made the press.

But he was a lying fraudulent cunt.
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Have I found? lol.

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Cambridge professor at centre of plagiarism row defends his work

Prof Jason Arday admitted errors in his work but said he was not a liar after attracting criticism online.
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Have I found? lol.
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OK. So a couple of things:
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While some critics say the treatment of Arday, who is black, has been motivated by racism, others have said the claims of plagiarism were legitimate.
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Which, it turns out, they (multiple people) were.

And as I said above - if it turned out that the guy who originally found him out was a racist cunt, in this case he was still a correct racist cunt.

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He was diagnosed with autism and global development delay in his early years, to which his being unable to speak until the age of 11 and unable to read or write until 18 was attributed.
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And this was another lie. He wasn't non-vocal until he was 11 and he was able to read and write before he was 18. There's schoolmates attesting to him being a class clown long before then.

He was a lying fraudulent plagarist who got his job because of this artificial "DEI heaven candidate" persona that he created - and wilful blindness in a politically correct environment ushered him in on his carpet of lies - and it's lead, ultimately, to his tragic death.

But he's personally culpable for the lies he told that created this situation. If he wasn't a lying cunt, no amount of racist wankers would have been able to point out his fraud.
 
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