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So Axel Rudakubana the Southport murderer has been given a life sentence with a minimum of 52 years in jail, well deserved.
 

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So, mental kid who'd been on prevent's radar for years when the state had multiple opportunities to intervene gets put away until he dies. Whatever. I don't really care.

What actual reform are we going to make to our processes and procedures - in schools etc (because there were obvious multiple safeguarding failures with this child) to stop this happening again?
 

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The teachers aren't allowed to really challenge them, they get punted around various special needs specialists, never actually getting anywhere.
 

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So, mental kid who'd been on prevent's radar for years when the state had multiple opportunities to intervene gets put away until he dies. Whatever. I don't really care.

What actual reform are we going to make to our processes and procedures - in schools etc (because there were obvious multiple safeguarding failures with this child) to stop this happening again?

"Human Rights" innit? There is no effective process until the person actually commits the crime. There's no mechanism to commit or incarcerate for "public safety" until it's too late. This fucker was clearly mad as a balloon but he didn't fit Prevent's "terrorist" profile, because in all honesty he wasn't a terrorist, he was a psychopath cosplaying as a terrorist and even if Prevent had intervened as a terrorist threat it would have made fuck all difference because it was a mental health issue. Prevent is basically useless.
 

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"Human Rights" innit?
Nah. Much more than that. Incompetence and apathy:


He'd not been at school for almost a year before the wag officers were sent around. My sister was wag officer for toxteth and speke before she retired and it would never be like that for her.
 

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Put into the autistic box and chilled there.

Decreasing services and increasing need is a recipe for disaster.

We had 3 kids go off our roll today, that's one day being home schooled, it's an increasing issue and the resources aren't there to properly support it.
 

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Nah. Much more than that. Incompetence and apathy:


He'd not been at school for almost a year before the wag officers were sent around. My sister was wag officer for toxteth and speke before she retired and it would never be like that for her.
So he gets a fine for a knife and then what? "Scared straight"? Right.
 

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Reading that article it looks like a history of agencies not engaging - even when asked for support and when knives were being carried into school etc.

Even Starmer says the state failures are glaring.
 

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Reading that article it looks like a history of agencies not engaging - even when asked for support and when knives were being carried into school etc.

Even Starmer says the state failures are glaring.

The state has failed at a lot of things over the years, look at the grooming gangs, police and councils were complicit in covering that up until it got brought to light, even some of the MPs were telling victims to keep quiet for the sake of diversity etc.

I think the whole system is fucked tbh, they can throw as many law changes at stuff like this as possible, when the people that are meant to be safeguarding it all fail, then no law is going to change shit. I think anyone and everyone who dealt with this should be fired and/or sent for major training.

Edit: Also, more strict hiring practices put in place to vet out the utter shit staff/total dossers who will inevitably fail again in future.



All that said - I'm pleased he got 52 years minimum, given our shitty out of touch sentencing guidelines it could have been a lot less... I still think he got off lightly though, he should never see the light of day again. He NEEDS to die behind bars.
 

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The incels are finding pictures of "celebs" waving to crowds and calling it the same thing. It's brilliant, cultists floundering.

I continue to refuse to allow Teslas into traffic, look straight ahead, eyes on the car in front.
 

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I continue to refuse to allow Teslas into traffic, look straight ahead, eyes on the car in front.
Dude, you have inappropriate anger issues. Just drive normally. You can't tell someone's politics from the car they drive.
 

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It's obviously anger m8. I get that you don't like him but it's enough to spill out into your behaviour - making things a little bit more dangerous for both you and other people around you, who aren't musk.

When you're looking at a Tesla and changing your behaviour, you're not concentrating on other stuff...
 

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I don't let BMWs in, either. I am a VERY petty driver.
 

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I don't see the issue, when I drink, which is rarely, I do tend to go for an Australian.

About to open a fantastic 19 Crimes Sauvignon Blanc.

Edit, I do like a bottle of French now and again, but I often think I am paying extra because it's French.
 
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He's going to get Hulk Hogan to lead them in. And Steven Segal, fatly walking around corners.
Walking? Fat chance of that...
 

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He's just trying to cover his own arse, to make it look like he's actually doing something. Harsher punishments would have a bigger impact than tougher knife checks. They need to change some of our draconian laws so people under the age of 18 can be trialed as adults if they commit such crimes.... they also need a mandatory 20+ year sentence for severe knife crimes without the possibility of parole.

Will it stop knife crime? no, will it make them think a bit more before doing it? yes.
That's bullshit, someone who's set on using a knife would readily nick one from somewhere, no id required
 

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That's bullshit, someone who's set on using a knife would readily nick one from somewhere, no id require

Aye I thought that, it's daft.

If you're telling the parents of an 18 year old to keep knives away from him because he could hurt people, he should probably be sectioned.
 

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