Bodhi
Once agreed with Scouse and a LibDem at same time
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Benefits of a private education.
Benefits of a private education.
Hands up, I missed the "communal" bit (I was initially responding to your "before 2007" comment) but I associate "heat pump" with air source because it's far more common for residential use, simply because it's so much cheaper to set up. When we're talking about new builds and retrofitting older houses and you mention a "heat pump", the first port of call is always air source unless you have a spare acre of land, specifically ask about ground source and have £20+ k to install it.In fairness we had only been discussing Ground Source up to that point where @caLLous decided to muddy the waters by posting a picture of an Air Source model.
There actually seems to be a better way which is to pipe up a neighbourhood, send ground-temperature water/refrigerant through it and have boilers in each house take it in and pull the heat from it. It'd be like a massive distributed ground source installation rather than a central one that sends out heat so the pipework wouldn't need to be insulated at all. I imagine the waste on a central one that spaffs out heat around a town would be immense (I thought they were dismantling all those old Russian district heating systems because they're so wasteful).The original topic was "lets not spend 27 billion of public money on roads, but spend that public money on insulating houses, making them energy efficient and then spend on communal heating sources".
Yeah, you don't get one size fits all but you do cover huge swathes of the population.
@dysfunction - you dig a series of fucking big and deep boreholes in a city and heat square blocks - delivering heat in the same way you deliver gas. It's no biggie. Other than to do everyone we need significant spend...
...like that road money.
Governments have always invested in infrastructure to boost the economy in hard times.Yep. And the massive new roadbuilding scheme that sunak is using to pay his mates billions.
As soon as self driving cars come along congestion should disappear...
There are better ways to spend and create employment though.
Hands up, I missed the "communal" bit (I was initially responding to your "before 2007" comment) but I associate "heat pump" with air source because it's far more common for residential use, simply because it's so much cheaper to set up. When we're talking about new builds and retrofitting older houses and you mention a "heat pump", the first port of call is always air source unless you have a spare acre of land, specifically ask about ground source and have £20+ k to install it.
As for "hideous box", @dysfunction, do you have a satellite dish bolted to the side of your house or a TV aerial strapped to your chimney? Both of those are "hideous" (more-so that a pretty non-descript box I'd say) but they're ubiquitous nowadays.
Maybe but thats always been the traditional way countries have spent their way put of recessionThere are better ways to spend and create employment though.
Environmental infrastructure, ffs.Governments have always invested in infrastructure to boost the economy in hard times.
There are bound to be limits but I've seen installs where there's a good 5 metres of pipework between the external unit and the boiler. The refrigerant in that loop doesn't actually get that hot - it goes into the boiler where some sort of magic takes place (the heat is sucked out of it, amplified and transferred to the loop which actually goes around the house) and then returns to the outdoor unit to be warmed up again.We actually have the issue where our Sky dish is right about where our boiler is currently, so presumably we'd be moving stuff round to accommodate it.
Hands up, I missed the "communal" bit (I was initially responding to your "before 2007" comment) but I associate "heat pump" with air source because it's far more common for residential use, simply because it's so much cheaper to set up. When we're talking about new builds and retrofitting older houses and you mention a "heat pump", the first port of call is always air source unless you have a spare acre of land, specifically ask about ground source and have £20+ k to install it.
As for "hideous box", @dysfunction, do you have a satellite dish bolted to the side of your house or a TV aerial strapped to your chimney? Both of those are "hideous" (more-so that a pretty non-descript box I'd say) but they're ubiquitous nowadays.
Building stuff is easy. High technology and insulating stuffs is good but it doesnt put money into the economy in a quick way. Building roads and rail is good for this as its a lot of labour and less materials. So money goes mostly into the labourers. Or more than installing heat pumps.Environmental infrastructure, ffs.
We're not mongoloids. (well, maybe we are). We don't just go "roads" because we've lost all invention and intellect. We need to spend public money where it will do the most good. If that's infrastructure that provides clean heating, insluation, environmental benefits whilst creating whole new industries that's better than wanking it on yet more road infrastructure that's going to be redundant in 20 years.
Building heat pumps is easy. Insulating stuff is easy. It's proven to work and proven to create jobs and does it in a quick way - it's nothing we don't already do, it's nothing complex - we just ramp it up.Building stuff is easy. High technology and insulating stuffs is good but it doesnt put money into the economy in a quick way. Building roads and rail is good for this as its a lot of labour and less materials. So money goes mostly into the labourers. Or more than installing heat pumps.
So money goes mostly into the labourers.
Cuckoo landLOL.
Where have you been for the past 11 years?
Well no, but it should be monitored what they are doing. But i guess thats what you meant.Omegle: Children expose themselves on video chat site
Omegle links up random people for virtual video and text chats, and claims to be moderated.www.bbc.co.uk
This shit has been around since I was a kid, and kids were doing the same shit back then (although at a lower quality).
Another parenting fail; if your pre-16 kid is doing anything on a web cam that's not to do with school work then you fucked up.
Mary Queen of Salt 🤣Doesn't happen very often these days, but there are still times I look back to Scotland and beam with pride:
Scotland’s hilarious gritter fleet triggers naming contests in US and Russia
The humorous names given to Scotland’s gritter fleet has inspired roads authorities from the United States to Russia to launch naming competitions for their own snowploughs.www.scotsman.com
There's even a website you can go on to see where they all are:
ArcGIS Web Application
www.arcgis.com
Personal favourite - Gonnae Snow Dae That (massive Chewin the Fat reference)
Mary Queen of Salt 🤣
Scots do good humour generally. Me and the Mrs love Two Doors Down.Doesn't happen very often these days, but there are still times I look back to Scotland and beam with pride:
Scotland’s hilarious gritter fleet triggers naming contests in US and Russia
The humorous names given to Scotland’s gritter fleet has inspired roads authorities from the United States to Russia to launch naming competitions for their own snowploughs.www.scotsman.com
There's even a website you can go on to see where they all are:
ArcGIS Web Application
www.arcgis.com
Personal favourite - Gonnae Snow Dae That (massive Chewin the Fat reference)
Scots do good humour generally. Me and the Mrs love Two Doors Down.
Another parenting fail; if your pre-16 kid is doing anything on a web cam that's not to do with school work then you fucked up.