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[Scouse]

I’m not worried. People have been eating GM for decades now. There’s no scientific reason to think it should be any different.

It's not about imbibing. For me it's about the potential for knock-on ecological effects and the pace of change.

At every turn we've discovered that the smallest changes can have profound consequences. At a time where we're barely at the beginning of our understanding of interconnected webs - actual understanding ecology - it seems unwise to be anything other than incredibly cautious.

Not saying never. But the urgency isn't there - we've solutions to our problems that don't require such potentially risky maneuvers.

 

[Scouse]

Uncooperative crusties who should abandon their hemp-smelling bivouacs.

Lulz. I thought he was trying to channel Thatcher (or @Bodhi ) - and in his next words he does.

It'll ring true with a few low-IQers and those who fear change (or don't care) but I think the world has moved on from the last time we had an authoritarian asshat in charge - and we know what lengths she went to to paint a picture of the small climate lobby as undesireables, rather than scientists and intellectuals from all walks of life (as well as crusties - because we're all affected).

It's the first outward sign of utter incompetence he's given (as opposed to general dishonesty).

I guess we'll see how the Thatcher wankfest pans out - it'll certainly galvanise arseholes

 

[Gwadien]

Uncooperative crusties who should abandon their hemp-smelling bivouacs.

Lulz. I thought he was trying to channel Thatcher (or @Bodhi ) - and in his next words he does.

It'll ring true with a few low-IQers and those who fear change (or don't care) but I think the world has moved on from the last time we had an authoritarian asshat in charge - and we know what lengths she went to to paint a picture of the small climate lobby as undesireables, rather than scientists and intellectuals from all walks of life (as well as crusties - because we're all affected).

It's the first outward sign of utter incompetence he's given (as opposed to general dishonesty).

I guess we'll see how the Thatcher wankfest pans out - it'll certainly galvanise arseholes

Tbh I wouldn't mind if we had a authorative PM right now after what, 10 years of chaos?

Problem is that they're focusing on Brexit.

 

[Scouse]

Tbh I wouldn't mind if we had a authorative PM right now after what, 10 years of chaos?

The tories we've had (and I include Blair in that) have all been authoritarian - it's just increasingly so.

Austerity politics can only be born from it.

 

[Moriath]

New labour was tory light. . Only way they could get elected.

the shit show may kade of the last election and labour still couldnt win shows how unelectable they are even when most people are not that happy with the incumbent.

 

[Bodhi]

Uncooperative crusties who should abandon their hemp-smelling bivouacs.

Lulz. I thought he was trying to channel Thatcher (or @Bodhi ) - and in his next words he does.

It'll ring true with a few low-IQers and those who fear change (or don't care) but I think the world has moved on from the last time we had an authoritarian asshat in charge - and we know what lengths she went to to paint a picture of the small climate lobby as undesireables, rather than scientists and intellectuals from all walks of life (as well as crusties - because we're all affected).

It's the first outward sign of utter incompetence he's given (as opposed to general dishonesty).

I guess we'll see how the Thatcher wankfest pans out - it'll certainly galvanise arseholes

View: https://medium.com/@plaosmos/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate-42a0a73d9d49

 

[Scouse]

Don't get the point @Bodhi?

Funny thing about posting articles and expecting people to automatically get your meaning - people can take very different things from articles.

Didn't read it all - not much past him saying he was a guy on 50k+/year who quit to do this. So not a crusty?

 

[Gwadien]

Don't get the point @Bodhi?

Funny thing about posting articles and expecting people to automatically get your meaning - people can take very different things from articles.

Didn't read it all - not much past him saying he was a guy on 50k+/year who quit to do this. So not a crusty?

He basically posted an article which contradicts his views on pretty much everything

TL;DR of the article, we need drastic change to our behaviour and not to our actions.

It's kind of weird though because it is about the climate, but as the focus, but as a small part of what they're wanting to achieve.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

Watch it @BloodOmen - @Job'll start wanking over that deepfake

 

[Scouse]

He basically posted an article which contradicts his views on pretty much everything

Yeah. So I don't get his point as he knows that.

Unless he was trying to say the guy was a crusty - but at 50k+ a year he clearly isn't (and neither are the vast majority of 'em - it's a representative cross-section of society - from the young to old, poor and rich). The only ones not gluing themselves to roads are the "elites" - who seem stuck in some sort of thatcherite 80's wankfest.

 

[Lamp]

"Lesbian juice"
Who said that? Jonathan?
"Yes Miss? Who me, Miss?"
Yes, you, Jonathan. What did you say?
"Nothing, Miss"
No, please share it with the rest of the class.
"Lesbian juice"
Do you even know what a lesbian is, Jonathan?
"Is it a type of fruit?"
No, Jonathan.
"Well, can you put a lesbian in your mouth, Miss?"
I'm told it's unpleasant.

 

[Scouse]

Worth less than two minutes


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-BK2rx6Ro8

 

[Lamp]

Saw this today in London

 

[Job]

Theyre making a big deal of this..but the same thing happens in the west, just different ID tech.

Chinese citizens will soon need to scan their face before they can access internet services or get a new phone number

 

[Job]

"Lesbian juice"
Who said that? Jonathan?
"Yes Miss? Who me, Miss?"
Yes, you, Jonathan. What did you say?
"Nothing, Miss"
No, please share it with the rest of the class.
"Lesbian juice"
Do you even know what a lesbian is, Jonathan?
"Is it a type of fruit?"
No, Jonathan.
"Well, can you put a lesbian in your mouth, Miss?"
I'm told it's unpleasant.

I read it but have no reply

 

[Lamp]

Just watching Interstellar for the first time.

Almost an hour in, and I'm actually quite enjoying it. (Apart from the aluminium robot thing, which in my opinion should have been removed from the script entirely. I'm going to be rolling my eyes if it does a Hal number on the crew.) It's got to be one of the only science fiction films I've seen where there is no sound in space. Which of course is scientifically accurate and very pleasing. The gentle, minimalist music ehen journeying to Saturn is refreshing, allowing you to focus more on the cinematography, which is quite beautiful. Two more hours to go...

 

[Scouse]

Turn it up loud @Lamp. They tell bits of the story by music alone

 

[Lamp]

Matthew McConaughey mumbling his lines is quite annoying. Couldn't they have found an actor who could speak without sounding like he had just swallowed a shoe covered in jam ?

 

[Scouse]

Matthew McConaughey mumbling his lines is quite annoying. Couldn't they have found an actor who could speak without sounding like he had just swallowed a shoe covered in jam ?

What's with your green on green?

I found him clear tbh. When you can't hear him it's probably because it's not actually important what he's saying.

 

[Lamp]

Ok. It's just me getting old

Green on green is from my 2019 experimental post-art period where I stick climate change protesters up cows bottoms.

 

[Bodhi]

Don't get the point @Bodhi?

Funny thing about posting articles and expecting people to automatically get your meaning - people can take very different things from articles.

Didn't read it all - not much past him saying he was a guy on 50k+/year who quit to do this. So not a crusty?

Funny thing finding out about a death in the family whilst posting a link often results in me looking at the rest of the post and thinking "ah fuck it".

Anyway point of the article is the crusties currently tearing through the UK's Acid supply in London aren't really interested in the climate - it's a Trojan Horse to bring in their own particular brand of socialism. It seems the more they are pushed on the climate part of their manifesto (see last night's Andrew Neil show and their spokesperson's inability to defend how far away their thoughts are from any supposed scientific consensus) the more it falls apart, and they just appear as your common garden anarchists.

They may have more luck if they were pushing a system of government that had worked anywhere on earth - but every time Socialism has been tried, it has tended to be a complete and utter failure, with most of the population ending up starving or dead.

They're the same crusties you see hanging around the Stone Circles at Glasto. Entertaining for an evening, but so far removed from the real world it's amusing.

 

[Wij]

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2019/10/many-plants-naturally-gmo-research-finds/

 

[dysfunction]

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2019/10/many-plants-naturally-gmo-research-finds/

Yes only naturally compatible plants would do this.

Not in the world of human science where everything is possible which could cause major environmental issues many years later

 

[Scouse]

They're the same crusties...

Ah, so you are buying into the descredited bullshit 1980's speak. Unsurprising, if predicted...

Sorry to hear about the death in your family.

 

[Wij]

Yes only naturally compatible plants would do this.

Source?

 

[Scouse]

I think it's disingenuous to call something "naturally GMO" - when GMO is the term for us genetically modifying things.

You don't get natural horizontal gene transfer from tree-frogs to potatoes, for example.

Precautionary principle please.

 

[Wij]

I think it's disingenuous to call something "naturally GMO" - when GMO is the term for us genetically modifying things.

You don't get natural horizontal gene transfer from tree-frogs to potatoes, for example.

Precautionary principle please.

Source? There's no reason why not. Pretty rare between plants and animals directly but not impossible. More likely via intermediate bacteria or viruses.

Horizontal gene transfer - Wikipedia.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

Source? There's no reason why not. Pretty rare between plants and animals directly but not impossible. More likely via intermediate bacteria or viruses.

Horizontal gene transfer - Wikipedia.

Yes, potentially possible over long periods of time when an ecology has time to adapt. And, from your article, we're only beginning to understand it's huge importance in single-celled organisms.

We're not, however, talking about that. We're talking about wholesale human-induced gene transfer to change the characteristics of crops (and animals) at a pace that simply doesn't happen in the natural world with unknown knock-on consequences, and the potential mass-production of these gene-modified crops and animals to the detriment of natural species.

We barely understand the knock on effects of what we're doing with conventional agriculture - good and bad - so steaming ahead with deregulation over GMO is simply too risky.

Precautionary principle please.

(You seem very cavalier on this? Not saying "don't ever do it" - I'm saying "we don't need it right now - so lets learn shit, but not introduce wholesale to the wild")