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[Job]

I don't think anyone should be arrested for calling anyone a nigger or a honkey.

You would be under racial hatred incitement catch all laws.

 

[Scouse]

I know you would be in this country. I think it's short-sighted.

 

[Scouse]

Anyway - in more important news:

Richard Ecclestone, a former police officer who has joined the group, said: “These tactics are very questionable and are arguably infringing on our rights to peaceful protest, and indeed our efforts to preserve people’s right to life

 

[caLLous]

So..this adoption of hate crime that got a guy sacked

If he'd been black it would have been OK?
How about if he was mixed race..or just kinda dark skinned, maybe a white guy with a tan is exempt?
Or can you go on a course..or say an oath that you arent a supremacist.


Its a fucking joke of titanic proportions and is a perfect reflection of where the courts and 'justice' are heading.

The Monty Python skits are becoming reality.

With white supremacy, the clue is in the name. You don't tend to get non-white people promoting it, I don't know how else to explain it to you. The ok gesture isn't a blanket racism thing, it's a "white power" thing. I know you're desperately looking for a way to equate what those *white* people did with what this athlete did (thereby normalising the use of the gesture) but it's not going to happen.

 

[Job]

Its an official hate crime gesture.


If theyve written in the conclusion that it only applies to completely white people, thats fine on one stupid fucking level.

If not, why hasnt he been investigated?


Well..we all know why and there lies the fat hypocritical elephant in the room of jokes.
Its 2019 in the western world and we are actually teetering on the edge of testing if witches float.

 

[Gwadien]

I don't think anyone should be arrested for calling anyone a nigger or a honkey.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND back to freedom of speech

*yawn*

 

[caLLous]

It's an official hate gesture which they've categorised as a white power gesture, used by right and far-right types to (at best) wind people up. Why would they need to specify that it only applies to white people?

The headline for the post detailing the new additions is literally called "OK" and Other Alt Right Memes and Slogans Added to ADL's Hate Symbols Database".

 

[Scouse]

Its an official hate crime gesture.

It's a white hate crime gesture about white supremacy.

If there was a black hate crime gesture about honkey-bashing it would be the same thing.

Why are you being a dick about this?

 

[Job]

So black people cant be far right?

They are all liberal, encompassers of everything in the book of hedonism.
Pro choice..pro woman..pro homesexuality..pro diversity..anti racist beams of perfection light on the dark world of white nazis?


The ultra left have cleverly positioned themselves as judge and juror while offering their 'expertise' as a moral measurement for society and the courts to follow.

Its quite simply going to end in war

 

[Gwadien]

Black nationalism - Wikipedia

 

[Job]

It's a white hate crime gesture about white supremacy.

If there was a black hate crime gesture about honkey-bashing it would be the same thing.

Why are you being a dick about this?

Firstly honky is hilarious, secondly if it days whites only I'll let it go.
Well let it go on one level..that still leaves a rather large pile of shit

 

[Job]

Black nationalism - Wikipedia

Well thats an argument of sorts I suppose

 

[Gwadien]

Well thats an argument of sorts I suppose

It is a movement.

But to suggest that this bloke is somehow using white nationalist gestures for a black nationalist cause is somewhat hilarious.

 

[Job]

I havent suggested that though have I?

That would be ridiculous and there lies the problem..its all ridiculous, but if youre going to empower this medieval level of insanity then why dont you lay out the comic rules instead of letting logic take over to save the farce from the final curtain.

 

[Moriath]

Yes, but you can get codeine indefinitely.

US Prescriptions will last a short while (For as long as the insurance companies can be arsed to pay) then they'll go find an alternative, off a drug dealer.

Not really if you look into it the americans got pill happy prescribers and that made loads of people addicted. They then realised this and made prescribing opiates harder. It wasnt a matter of insurance not paying it was cause their over prescribing made whole towns addicted.
Then instead of a managed withdrawal regime they cut them off leaving the addicts chasing heroine as a substitute.

not just the insurance companies as you make out.

oh and a similar thing is happening here. Not on the same scale though

 

[Moriath]

This is the same thing as can a black man call another black man nigger or should they be arrested?

Context is everything, as per everything.

What ?!?

I am talking about people getting arrested for ok sign. Which for the past 45 years has been fine. Suddenly people are losing their job over it.

freedom of speech and everything aside. You cant just demonise a symbol. Even the nazi swastika has good roots in indian faith.

i am saying no one should be arrested. Not selective arrest.

 

[Embattle]

Couple in ad campaign decide to leave Ireland after online abuse

 

[Scouse]

Couple in ad campaign decide to leave Ireland after online abuse

Whilst it's not nice (at all) or in any way to be condoned:

Ms Ryan said: “I got so upset and angry at the same time. These people are looking at my child and saying all this hurtful stuff.

What did you expect when you put your family front and centre of an advert for a supermarket that's putting local shops out of business?

What do you think @Embattle?

 

[Embattle]

Well my first feeling is that you can't really escape racist abuse online by moving countries, my second feeling is that it is sadly typical nowadays to be on the recieving end of such online racism.

 

[Gwadien]

Whilst it's not nice (at all) or in any way to be condoned:

What did you expect when you put your family front and centre of an advert for a supermarket that's putting local shops out of business?

What do you think @Embattle?

Says the bloke who works for a bank

 

[Ormorof]

framing it as an anti big business thing is bullshit, ive had several family members be in adverts for Tesco (not Irish either ) and no one got any abuse

 

[Gwadien]

framing it as an anti big business thing is bullshit, ive had several family members be in adverts for Tesco (not Irish either ) and no one got any abuse

Yeah but Scouse wants absolute freedom of speech, so whether it's the guy who had photos taken by Lidl or the 100s of kids that commit suicide annually due to cyber bullying, they're all and they should stop being snow flakes and man up.

 

[Gwadien]

Why are you disagreeing Dys? That's what Scouse wants...

In other news, we're scum

Trump makes way for Turkish operation in Syria

 

[dysfunction]

Yeah but Scouse wants absolute freedom of speech, so whether it's the guy who had photos taken by Lidl or the 100s of kids that commit suicide annually due to cyber bullying, they're all and they should stop being snow flakes and man up.

I don't think he is saying that at all as bullying isn't a "freedom of speech" thing. That's a direct individual attack.

 

[Gwadien]

I don't think he is saying that at all as bullying isn't a "freedom of speech" thing. That's a direct individual attack.

Yes he is though.

Scouse has made it very clear that -anything- that does not involve a physical attack is fair game.

 

[DaGaffer]

Whilst it's not nice (at all) or in any way to be condoned:

What did you expect when you put your family front and centre of an advert for a supermarket that's putting local shops out of business?

What do you think @Embattle?

My local Lidl has resulted in three new shops opening in the area (a coffee shop, a barbers and a dry cleaners). The main threat to local shops was to the (award winning) off licence across the road, but most people have kept buying there.

I don't really buy into the "Lidl" are destroying businesses argument (from my time at the lottery I sat in a lot of meetings about small retail and it seems "pound shops are destroying businesses" was the real issue) as ironically the only supermarket that's not responded agressivelely enough to ze Germans is Tesco; the two Irish chains have responded extremely strongly. So we're just left with the racism. There are undoubtedly Irish racists (and all the oldies are racist in the "never saw a black man until 20 years ago" way), but bluntly far fewer than the UK and as you'd expect, mostly online. Online is certainly the only place I've ever got grief for being a Brit.

 

[Scouse]

Not making assertions about the economics of it one was or the other @DaGaffer - whether lidl kills or creates jobs. Just commenting on potential perception.

One thing though - there's far less racists in Ireland than the UK? What - in terms of an absolute figure (well, duh) or as a peecentage of the population? If the latter, how do you come to that conclusion?

 

[Scouse]

Says the bloke who works for a bank

/@Wij ON

Buh????

My issue with banks are wide ranging, but I fail to see the relevance here.

Having said that, it's topical - considering this is how they (my one) reacts to an 18.6% increase in pre-tax profits.

(I think it's shareholders (the rich) driving it)

 

[Job]

Couple in ad campaign decide to leave Ireland after online abuse

Well if you watch TV adverts, I try not to, you may notice that the vast majority of families are depicted as mixed race, while mixed race relationships are a tiny percentage.

Fair enough..theres an agenda to promote diversity, but could we talk about people using their privilige to social engineer us, or are we just plebs and they know best?

Keep telling a lie and it becomes the truth....

 

[DaGaffer]

Not making assertions about the economics of it one was or the other @DaGaffer - whether lidl kills or creates jobs. Just commenting on potential perception.

One thing though - there's far less racists in Ireland than the UK? What - in terms of an absolute figure (well, duh) or as a peecentage of the population? If the latter, how do you come to that conclusion?

Far right politics is basically non-existent here; there are a few wannabe parties, no seats (at any level) very few members. Nationalism has been traditionally the preserve of the left (Sinn Fein), although their approach is different in the North when compared to the Republic.

The woman mentioned in the article, Gemma O'Doherty, used to be quite a good investigative journalist but she's turned into a real tinfoil hatter over the last few years; but her views are extremely fringe.

One difference I think is that despite claims to the contrary; immigrants aren't taking Irish jobs (far more high skills immigration as a proportion than in the UK), organised crime isn't an immigrant thing (all Irish baby), so there are fewer hooks for the racists to turn into a cause.