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[Gwadien]

If you were setting up a ferry company why would you start by buying some ships?

For a Government contract over something which people are really concerned about because no-one knows what's going to happen, yeah, I'd want a company with a bit of history of getting the job done.

Rather than the mates of some Tories, does that mean that I can start a company and tell them I can get the ships too? Just as reliable, no?

 

[Job]

Tbh..its we dont need it, one side or the other will back down.
We have see it to the end...thankgod we have Maggie in charge..oh hang on...fuck.

 

[Gwadien]

Tbh..its we dont need it, one side or the other will back down.
We have see it to the end...thankgod we have Maggie in charge..oh hang on...fuck.

So therefore in your point of view the Government just gave a company £17m for nothing.

Is this a taste of things to come?

 

[Job]

Im pretty sure 17m is 30 seconds work for all the consultants on HS2.

 

[Gwadien]

I GOT THE GUTS

DO YOU GOTS THE GUTS?

 

[DaGaffer]

I GOT THE GUTS

DO YOU GOTS THE GUTS?

The terrifying thing is people will automatically believe this.

 

[Embattle]

Without doubt some will.

 

[Job]

Is it true or not?

The picture looks a bit unlikely..more like a Sofa advert.

 

[Job]

So it is true as far as the basic fact from the headline.


Former asylum seeker on benefits given £2 million house

Pensioner on 6K a year?
Thats the UK pension..so yes that bit is true as well.

Is it likely a family will recieve 29K?
Yes..but thats a family not a single pensioner.

 

[Bodhi]

No. You’d start with a pizza delivery moped

I think you have (wilfully) missed the point - if you're starting up a ferry company, why would you incur the costs of buying a brand new ferry and all the risks entailed when you could just rent an existing one someone has, for a much lower cost? Buying outright doesn't make any business sense at all until you're a more established company.

OK the T&C's were shoddy, and whichever Civil Servant overlooked that when awarding the contract wants strung up, but considering Seabourne won't see a penny without actually delivering a service, I don't see the issue. Going by the link I posted earlier a number of ex P&O people are involved - so as I said, non-story.

 

[Job]

To keep filming is impressive.


View: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/E8ySL6W

 

[Gwadien]

So it is true as far as the basic fact from the headline.


Former asylum seeker on benefits given £2 million house

Pensioner on 6K a year?
Thats the UK pension..so yes that bit is true as well.

Is it likely a family will recieve 29K?
Yes..but thats a family not a single pensioner.

So what are you saying? It's not actually that bad?

 

[fettoken]

So what are you saying? It's not actually that bad?

He is saying that it's plausible. Ask if he had any comments regarding that on Reddit!

 

[DaGaffer]

So it is true as far as the basic fact from the headline.


Former asylum seeker on benefits given £2 million house

Pensioner on 6K a year?
Thats the UK pension..so yes that bit is true as well.

Is it likely a family will recieve 29K?
Yes..but thats a family not a single pensioner.

UK basic state pension is £8.5k a year (and usually has other benefits on top).

Asylum seekers get 50 quid a week (less than a third of the basic state pension) and can't work until given asylum.

Illegal immigrants can't claim benefits, because...illegal.

The 2m house thing is from eight years ago and would be impossible now because there's now a housing benefit cap. And just to be clear, anyone on benefits could have got the same house under the rules at the time, it wasn't a special deal for immigrants or ex-asylum seekers.

So basically a load of shit to rile people up about immigrants. You literally just proved my point.

 

[Wij]

I think you have (wilfully) missed the point - if you're starting up a ferry company, why would you incur the costs of buying a brand new ferry and all the risks entailed when you could just rent an existing one someone has, for a much lower cost? Buying outright doesn't make any business sense at all until you're a more established company.

OK the T&C's were shoddy, and whichever Civil Servant overlooked that when awarding the contract wants strung up, but considering Seabourne won't see a penny without actually delivering a service, I don't see the issue. Going by the link I posted earlier a number of ex P&O people are involved - so as I said, non-story.

I don’t recall saying it was a problem them owning no ships. That’s not how these things work. I think it’s more of a problem that they have no track record, are owned by a big Tory donors family, didn’t go through a proper RFP and have a comedy website.

 

[Bodhi]

I don’t recall saying it was a problem them owning no ships. That’s not how these things work. I think it’s more of a problem that they have no track record, are owned by a big Tory donors family, didn’t go through a proper RFP and have a comedy website.

A start up with no track record? HOLY FUCKING SHIT BATMAN!

 

[Wij]

A start up with no track record? HOLY FUCKING SHIT BATMAN!

Maybe when it’s quite urgent a start up isn’t your best bet. Plus all the other things.

I’ve run a few RFPs myself. No track record is a big thing when you absolutely need something to work day 1.

 

[BloodOmen]

The terrifying thing is people will automatically believe this.

They do, sadly I have some dumb shit family members who share that sort of shite without even fact checking it first.

 

[Gwadien]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Mcp3-JQic&fbclid=IwAR01STOpBFlbVWPxsxrPsb3qqJn4n8hieZtHxuf2RAhgw7rXSq8GiRK7Gis

 

[Job]

UK basic state pension is £8.5k a year (and usually has other benefits on top).

Asylum seekers get 50 quid a week (less than a third of the basic state pension) and can't work until given asylum.

Illegal immigrants can't claim benefits, because...illegal.

The 2m house thing is from eight years ago and would be impossible now because there's now a housing benefit cap. And just to be clear, anyone on benefits could have got the same house under the rules at the time, it wasn't a special deal for immigrants or ex-asylum seekers.

So basically a load of shit to rile people up about immigrants. You literally just proved my point.

No the basic pension is 6.5k.

Plenty of asylum seekers get 30k plus in benefits.
Do you actually believe they are on 50 quid a week and living in a detention centre?
They have dedicated legal teams..armies of lawyers, its a classic lawyer racket on legal aid.

The fact that you cant get one now is irrelevent to the fact you could then...are they still in the house?

So what..we just squirm our way out of the truth do we?

 

[DaGaffer]

No the basic pension is 6.5k.

Plenty of asylum seekers get 30k plus in benefits.
Do you actually believe they are on 50 quid a week and living in a detention centre?
They have dedicated legal teams..armies of lawyers, its a classic lawyer racket on legal aid.

The fact that you cant get one now is irrelevent to the fact you could then...are they still in the house?

So what..we just squirm our way out of the truth do we?

The new State Pension

Yes, they are on 50 quid a week, if they're claiming asylum. If they're not, they're illegal immigrants and outside the system. Not all are in detention centres because there aren't enough of them.

Show me a single asylum seeker on 30 grand. Just one.

I have no idea if they are in the house, and it actually doesn't matter, because once again, its got nothing to do with being an immigrant/asylum seeker.

 

[Gwadien]

I completely agree @Job we should raise taxes and give Pensioners at least 20k a year.

 

[Job]

I was merely pointing out it was mostly true.
6k
2 million pound house.

Asylum/migrant/illegal can get 29K if a parent and you include the free house/council tax/benefits.

Do actually expect them to live on 50 a week?

 

[Gwadien]

I was merely pointing out it was mostly true.
6k
2 million pound house.

Asylum/migrant/illegal can get 29K if a parent and you include the free house/council tax/benefits.

Do actually expect them to live on 50 a week?

Ilegals get nothing, that's kinda the point.

and no, I don't, but they do.

I do find it amazing how much you lack humanity; Pensioners have been in the country for years, they usually have savings and their own private pensions, they're just putting their feet up at the end of their lives.

Asylum seekers have had their homes blown up, they've lost -everything-.

 

[Job]

The new State Pension

Yes, they are on 50 quid a week, if they're claiming asylum. If they're not, they're illegal immigrants and outside the system. Not all are in detention centres because there aren't enough of them.

Show me a single asylum seeker on 30 grand. Just one.

I have no idea if they are in the house, and it actually doesn't matter, because once again, its got nothing to do with being an immigrant/asylum seeker.

Thats the full state pension if you have paid in for forty years.
The basic...which a LOT of people are going to end up on is 125.

 

[Job]

Ilegals get nothing, that's kinda the point.

and no, I don't, but they do.

I do find it amazing how much you lack humanity; Pensioners have been in the country for years, they usually have savings and their own private pensions, they're just putting their feet up at the end of their lives.

Asylum seekers have had their homes blown up, they've lost -everything-.

Is that you Tony?
That comment is so far removed from the reality that you really need to consider your suitability to comment on British life

 

[Gwadien]

Is that you Tony?
That comment is so far removed from the reality that you really need to consider your suitability to comment on British life

Which one?

 

[Job]

Usually have pensions...we are facing a timebomb of pension poverty

 

[Gwadien]

Usually have pensions...we are facing a timebomb of pension poverty

My Nan who's in her mid 90s seems to be doing alright considering she hasn't really got any savings or a private pension.

Sure, lots of people are struggling, but that's because they didn't save/adjust their lifestyle around their pensions.

Yeah, you're right though, we are facing a timebomb of pension poverty, because of the baby boom of the 60s, but guess what will have to happen in order to get workers to pay for the elderly? I'll give you a clue, it starts with Immigratio and ends in N.

Maybe you're right about me not fitting into British society, because I always thought we had quite a charitable nature; and we'd help people if they were in the shit. But it appears you're rather abandon them to die so that Margret can go to Benidorm paid by the tax payer.

It's a shame people aren't educated about private pensions, but I suppose we don't need to learn about stuff like that

 

[Embattle]

Pension poverty has partly come about because no government really wants to tell the truth as it would be like a turkey voting for Christmas, life expectancy increases weren't matched with the same level of increase in retirement age and savings.